"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Onus]

I'm curious how many people would rather have lee play backup than speights

At the 5? Mo is the better option. Lee is a 4 though.

I added center to it.

Lee's best numbers came at the 5 though. Playing Lee at the 4 erodes Barnes' value. Plus he'd get more minutes at the back up 5 than he would as a back up 4.

[East Bay Sports]

I think there are minutes for both, but if it came down to it I favor Lee slightly over Mo.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Fail....and I love you most of the time. Dalembert helps teams lose. Speights has proven to help us win. No thanks to that dumb tool

Dalembert is a better shooter than Speights? Did the magnetic reversal of the polar ice caps happen and I didn't hear about it?

Dalembert made 50% of his jump shots last year and 45% the year before. He's also a good FT shooter and he can finish at the basket because of his length, something Speight can't do.

If the Warriors are healthy I don't even want to see Speights on the floor. But the players most likely to go down are the rim protectors, so I would rather have a guy Dalembert.

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?!

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

[Onus]

Dalembert made 50% of his jump shots last year and 45% the year before. He's also a good FT shooter and he can finish at the basket because of his length, something Speight can't do.

If the Warriors are healthy I don't even want to see Speights on the floor. But the players most likely to go down are the rim protectors, so I would rather have a guy Dalembert.

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?!

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

This ... I'd love to be able to get anything of value for speights, because he's playing so well that Kerr can't take him out and get minutes for lee

[Coxy]

Dalembert made 50% of his jump shots last year and 45% the year before. He's also a good FT shooter and he can finish at the basket because of his length, something Speight can't do.

If the Warriors are healthy I don't even want to see Speights on the floor. But the players most likely to go down are the rim protectors, so I would rather have a guy Dalembert.

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?!

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

Like what? What could we get that is better than Speights at his contract value or cheaper that would have a bigger impact then him right now? The list will be shorter than people that have set foot on Mars.

[Onus]

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?!

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

Like what? What could we get that is better than Speights at his contract value or cheaper that would have a bigger impact then him right now? The list will be shorter than people that have set foot on Mars.

I'd take a future 1st if it was available

[azwfan]

wtf is your problem w/ Speights?

Per 36:
25 PT
10.5 REB
1.5 BLK

54 FG%, 80% FT, 58TS%, 23.5 PER

yea, why would we want THIS guy on the floor?!

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

This ... I'd love to be able to get anything of value for speights, because he's playing so well that Kerr can't take him out and get minutes for lee

This is great logic. Should we try to trade Green too? He's blocking Lee also.

[Coxy]

He's putting up those numbers at C, and the team has only had moderate success with him in the floor. David Lee has historically put up equally as good or better numbers when at center and the Warriors play better as a team with Lee at C. That's because Lee can pass and he's a much more dynamic as a scorer. Both are poor defensive players.

When healthy Speights is the Warriors 4th best C and 4th best PF. I say move him while he's hot (if there is a team willing to give back something of value).

Like what? What could we get that is better than Speights at his contract value or cheaper that would have a bigger impact then him right now? The list will be shorter than people that have set foot on Mars.

I'd take a future 1st if it was available

Then what? We roll with Bogut, Ezeli, Kuzmic and Lee as our only real bigs. Say Bogez stays injured, we have Ezeli, Lee and Kuzmic?

Also, a future 1st? What team is willing to give us a 1st for Mo? Certainly not a lotto team, meaning a crap shoot 1st and we end up helping a potential rival playoff team get better on the cheap. Even if we did get a lotto 1st, the draft is filled with potential bigs that may never even get to Mo standard.

I can't keep writing, my brain hurts.

[Mylie10]

Coxstar dunkin on foolz

[Twinkie defense]

Still ain't broke, right?

[turk3d]

Right now, with both Bogut and Ezeli out, Mo has been our starting Center for the last 4 games, we're 3-1 (only loss coming to the Clippers).

He's averaging just 17.9 mpg for the season and averaged just about 23.3 mpg during his 4 starts. So even as a starter, Kerr's only playing him about half a game (may have been in anticipation of Lee's return as well as our other Centers). So basically before Lee came back (now 6 games, 2 of which Ezeli was the starting Center) aside from Mo (who's only playing half a game) Lee is basically the closest thing we have to a legitimate Center at the moment (not counting Kuzmic whom Kerr basically doesn't play).

So, you want to trade our only depth at the Center position at this point (which is already weak because both Lee and Mo are really PFs who can play Center)? For a high pick?

Not mention that Mo's scoring 12.6 ppg on only 9.5 shots and his per 36 is 25.4 ppg in addition to his 10.5 rpg per 36 minutes (I think that these numbers may have already been posted by East Bay Sports already).

[Onus]

If we're fully healthy in the playoffs 2 of Ezeli, lee and speights won't be getting much run if any.

So if we could get a 1st for any of them I'd take it.

It's funny I was the first one to say speights would be able to replace most of what lee does and now that he is yall wouldn't trade him for a 1st?

Yall keep playing checkers

[oaktownwarriors87]

Like what? What could we get that is better than Speights at his contract value or cheaper that would have a bigger impact then him right now? The list will be shorter than people that have set foot on Mars.

I'd take a future 1st if it was available

Then what? We roll with Bogut, Ezeli, Kuzmic and Lee as our only real bigs. Say Bogez stays injured, we have Ezeli, Lee and Kuzmic?

Also, a future 1st? What team is willing to give us a 1st for Mo? Certainly not a lotto team, meaning a crap shoot 1st and we end up helping a potential rival playoff team get better on the cheap. Even if we did get a lotto 1st, the draft is filled with potential bigs that may never even get to Mo standard.

I can't keep writing, my brain hurts.

If Bogut is out Speights still isn't a difference maker. Ezeli and Lee are better centers and Green, Lee, and Barnes are better at PF. That's why it would be ideal to trade him for a defensive center... someone who could be a difference maker when Bogut us out.

Speights is making less than 4 million. He can't be so good we should keep him but so bad no one wants him. Maybe the ideal tare partner isn't out there, but let's not play that game.

[Mylie10]

I'm not adverse to trading Speights but it needs to make sense.....for me personally Dalembert is a bad move...the guy stinks.

[azwfan]

If we're fully healthy in the playoffs 2 of Ezeli, lee and speights won't be getting much run if any.

So if we could get a 1st for any of them I'd take it.

It's funny I was the first one to say speights would be able to replace most of what lee does and now that he is yall wouldn't trade him for a 1st?

Yall keep playing checkers

I think you don't know the point of the game you are playing. We're trying to win a championship, you're talking about trading one of our rotation big men on the #1 team in the league for a future 1st rd pick. We have post after post talking about needing depth at big man spots because Bogut cant stay healthy and Ezeli can't get healthy. The point is to win a championship... not to collect assets.

[azwfan]

I'm not adverse to trading Speights but it needs to make sense.....for me personally Dalembert is a bad move...the guy stinks.

I'm okay with Dalembert in addition to what we already have... but not in replacement of any of our rotation bigs. I don't think we can get it done though. About a week ago i was looking at salaries on the Knicks and trying to see what we would have to give up to get one of their bigs. The only one that mildly made sense was Aldrich, but as REM pointed out the Knicks will probably want more than i am willing to give up for him.

Cleveland and Dallas both also need a big man, and they would expect the big they acquire to get a lot more minutes than what we would (we need an insurance policy, they both need a rotation guy). I would think both of those teams would be more willing to give the Knicks and Lakers what they should want (picks) than we would.

[Coxy]

If Bogut is out Speights still isn't a difference maker.

With Bogut out, Speights has been a HUGE difference maker for us. Are we watching the same team play? Did you watch the game against the Raps?

Is it opposites day maybe? I feel verklempt talking about this.

[Onus]

If we're fully healthy in the playoffs 2 of Ezeli, lee and speights won't be getting much run if any.

So if we could get a 1st for any of them I'd take it.

It's funny I was the first one to say speights would be able to replace most of what lee does and now that he is yall wouldn't trade him for a 1st?

Yall keep playing checkers

I think you don't know the point of the game you are playing. We're trying to win a championship, you're talking about trading one of our rotation big men on the #1 team in the league for a future 1st rd pick. We have post after post talking about needing depth at big man spots because Bogut cant stay healthy and Ezeli can't get healthy. The point is to win a championship... not to collect assets.

Except when fully healthy we have 4 centers capable og getting minutes yet only 2 will get minutes. And if you want to get technical green has played center for us as well making that 5.

Having lee and speights will be redundant. I'd rather trade Lee but that would be much harder.

I mean it's great that we have this depth when there's injuries but when everyone gets healthy and Lee or speights wont play because there's not enough time, it would behoove us to capitalize now if there was an offer.

2 months ago most of you wanted to cut speights for nothing and now you wouldn't trade him for a 1st, it's just crazy.

[Coxy]

If we're fully healthy in the playoffs 2 of Ezeli, lee and speights won't be getting much run if any.

So if we could get a 1st for any of them I'd take it.

It's funny I was the first one to say speights would be able to replace most of what lee does and now that he is yall wouldn't trade him for a 1st?

Yall keep playing checkers

I think you don't know the point of the game you are playing. We're trying to win a championship, you're talking about trading one of our rotation big men on the #1 team in the league for a future 1st rd pick. We have post after post talking about needing depth at big man spots because Bogut cant stay healthy and Ezeli can't get healthy. The point is to win a championship... not to collect assets.

Exactly.

Do we want this?


or this?

[azwfan]

If we're fully healthy in the playoffs 2 of Ezeli, lee and speights won't be getting much run if any.

So if we could get a 1st for any of them I'd take it.

It's funny I was the first one to say speights would be able to replace most of what lee does and now that he is yall wouldn't trade him for a 1st?

Yall keep playing checkers

I think you don't know the point of the game you are playing. We're trying to win a championship, you're talking about trading one of our rotation big men on the #1 team in the league for a future 1st rd pick. We have post after post talking about needing depth at big man spots because Bogut cant stay healthy and Ezeli can't get healthy. The point is to win a championship... not to collect assets.

Except when fully healthy we have 4 centers capable og getting minutes yet only 2 will get minutes. And if you want to get technical green has played center for us as well making that 5.

Having lee and speights will be redundant. I'd rather trade Lee but that would be much harder.

I mean it's great that we have this depth when there's injuries but when everyone gets healthy and Lee or speights wont play because there's not enough time, it would behoove us to capitalize now if there was an offer.

2 months ago most of you wanted to cut speights for nothing and now you wouldn't trade him for a 1st, it's just crazy.

Yeah, when fully healthy we got plenty of big men. Just curious if you know how many games have we been fully healthy this year? or last year?

So lets just assume that we will be fully healthy in the playoffs and ditch the guys that are playing well now? And we're the ones playing checkers?