Who starts?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Another rough start for this group.

[Onus]

We need to start an over/under on how many games this charade continues

[Impuniti]

Wiggins, Melton should be a shoe in IMO. I like the idea of Podz as the PG backup and playing with Dray and the 2nd unit.

Loon/TJD depending on whose better.

[Crazy-Canuck]

We need to start an over/under on how many games this charade continues

Until jk or wiggins or dray get traded.

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[Onus]

We need to start an over/under on how many games this charade continues

Until jk or wiggins or dray get traded.

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For defensive purposes but trying to hide jk.

[DB23]

Would love to see moody start in jks place.

It’s crazy how often jk loses his man in D or is in the wrong spot. Hopefully just a blip.

[The-Power]

For defensive purposes but trying to hide jk.

I'm fairly certain what Kerr means to but simply cannot say is ‘the purpose is have one last push to see if Kuminga works here in a larger role’. He will continue to claim that he plans on working with this line-up and thinks it can work until it's conclusively proven it cannot and we move on. Until then he has to find basketball justifications and went with ‘the group has good size and athleticism, so it can work very well on defense’ – even if he himself might not actually be a firm believer either. He is not oblivious to the struggles and deficiencies of this line-up but it's his job to talk it up for the time being.

[Impuniti]

Would love to see moody start in jks place.

It’s crazy how often jk loses his man in D or is in the wrong spot. Hopefully just a blip.

This is the 4th year, that's a pretty long blip

[DB23]

Would love to see moody start in jks place.

It’s crazy how often jk loses his man in D or is in the wrong spot. Hopefully just a blip.

This is the 4th year, that's a pretty long blip

Honestly it’s just two games but he looks like a rookie out there. I don’t remember him being nearly that bad last year.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Would love to see moody start in jks place.

It’s crazy how often jk loses his man in D or is in the wrong spot. Hopefully just a blip.

This is the 4th year, that's a pretty long blip

Honestly it’s just two games but he looks like a rookie out there. I don’t remember him being nearly that bad last year.

He was the 4 last year. This year, he's a 3. Even in the past 2 games, he was alright when he was the 4.

[Impuniti]

You have to make a decision when it comes to Draymond and JK, can't fit both of them. Unless JK is content with playing 15MPG at the 4 as a backup (he's not).

[mos_def]

its against Portland and Utah, but the team is 1st in the NBA in scoring 1st in rebounding and 2nd in points allowed so far. Kuminga isnt going to learn all of a sudden to be good at drop defense. the team spreads out their minutes so much now that it doesnt matter who actually starts. Moody has been fantastic so far, but dont mess with something that is working

[Impuniti]

its against Portland and Utah, but the team is 1st in the NBA in scoring 1st in rebounding and 2nd in points allowed so far. Kuminga isnt going to learn all of a sudden to be good at drop defense. the team spreads out their minutes so much now that it doesnt matter who actually starts. Moody has been fantastic so far, but dont mess with something that is working

The Warriors have won the first two games by 77 points. Kuminga is +8 in these two games.

[DonaldSanders]

I'm fairly certain what Kerr means to but simply cannot say is ‘the purpose is have one last push to see if Kuminga works here in a larger role’. He will continue to claim that he plans on working with this line-up and thinks it can work until it's conclusively proven it cannot and we move on.

He was the 4 last year. This year, he's a 3. Even in the past 2 games, he was alright when he was the 4.

You have to make a decision when it comes to Draymond and JK, can't fit both of them. Unless JK is content with playing 15MPG at the 4 as a backup (he's not).

I feel like all 3 of these comments together sum the situation up. Dray and JK both need to play the 4, except Dray in short spurts when we go small. JK would look a lot better coming off the bench as a 4 then the role he's being forced into right now (then maybe can participate in the small lineups). I think Kerr is playing him at the 3 to both prove a point and test the validity of the "Kuminga at the 3" hypothesis that JK and others in the Warrior org think can work.

Overall, his style of play & fit may not work here and we may end up looking for a trade. I can't imagine paying him huge bucks for how he fits in. Hopefully this lineup dies soon though so I can go back to enjoying Kuminga highlights instead of watching the lowlights from forcing him to be a 3 on this team, which he is not.

[marthafokker]

Kerr left Oubre in all season until he was out with injury. We were screaming to get him out of the starting lineup. So don't expect much from Kerr. Like someone said, he is just following his clipboard and sub what it said.... not the situation best for the moment.

[all left]

Its only two games in, but one thing appears obvious: If Kerr really is committed to taking advantage of the current roster's depth and particular defensive abilities by playing really fast with a pesky, pressuring defense, Kuminga is even a worse fit than he appeared to be before.

The facile rejoinder is that Kuminga is fast, and should fit in a fast-paced scheme. Unfortunately, only fleet of foot, he processes too slowly for this kind of pace. His strengths will be a positive in fast breaks against a defender or two. But the point of playing the way the Warriors want to play is to keep the defense constantly back on its heels-- so being capable of making the right split-second decision against a scattered defense not yet settled down (as opposed to in simple fast breaks) is essential. In these situations-- which are far more frequent than fast breaks-- Kuminga looks clueless, lacking both a plan and a feel for what to do. His solution in scattered early offense generally has been to drive into the paint-- the first place defenders tend to have settled somewhat. So far this has yielded fewer fouls than he seems to hope, and few points.

Kuminga's main value for the current system will be situational, against teams with really good perimeter defenders who get back and organized quickly, forcing the W's into a half court offense. There he has time to assess the defense and make a strong move, or a well-timed cut, and is of value when the offense otherwise bogs down. But he seems incapable of doing either most of the time in a very fast moving, fluid offense. Plus his defense still has shown little significant growth.

Moody is an interesting contrast. He has developed his game to fit a role that fits him, that he is capable of being very good at-- a heady three and D player, capable of making the right decisions quickly in this kind of offense. He has improved his 3 and become more decisive getting it off, and added a small but useful repertory of moves to the basket designed to be initiated from the points he is supposed to be on the floor. All that has added up to real improvement as a player in this system.

Kuminga's goal and self-image, however, appears to be as a $50 million dollar man, a dominant three level scorer who also can defend. Mastering all of this from a starting point of great athletic ability but not yet being very good yet at any of the actual skills is a tall order, and even if achievable takes a long time. The result has been that he hasn't yet clearly mastered any one of the skills actually required. He may succeed some day, but I don't see it happening soon, here, in this system (although I would be happy to be wrong).

For me, the logical starting lineup right now from what I have seen so far is Steph Melton Looney Wiggins Dray, the next five who fit the system best being Hield Podz TJD Moody Slo Mo. Those ten seamlessly fit the system it looks like they are trying to run, with Kuminga and GPII as situational players. "Situational" in the long run may not mean less minutes for GPII, but likely will for Kuminga, who also will have to accept not starting, at least most of the time. If he can't, move him sooner rather than later.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Loon needs to start.

[Crazy-Canuck]

With steph out likely for a few games, who starts now.

No way kerr is daft enough to just insert podz.

Melton
Moody
Wiggins
Dray
Loon

Best defensive unit.

I like hield off the bench. With Steph out, can't put 2 more non shooters in podz and jk out there.

[vagelis]

I thought about it with clear mind and I think that it will not be wise to drop Kuminga so fast from the starting lineup.
And I think Kerr will not do it.

He needs to get a chance before Warriors come to a conclusion.

Maybe it is a bad period for him.


I would keep the same lineup for atleast 5 more games.
Warriors are 2-1. Nothing rushes them to make changes.

The only change I would make right now is to start Looney.

Curry
Wiggins
Kuminga
Green
Looney

for the next 5 games and then come to conclusions.
3 games are just very few to judge players.
Kuminga changed position this season and maybe needs some games to adjust (maybe not)

[Onus]

I thought about it with clear mind and I think that it will not be wise to drop Kuminga so fast from the starting lineup.
And I think Kerr will not do it.

He needs to get a chance before Warriors come to a conclusion.

Maybe it is a bad period for him.


I would keep the same lineup for atleast 5 more games.
Warriors are 2-1. Nothing rushes them to make changes.

The only change I would make right now is to start Looney.

Curry
Wiggins
Kuminga
Green
Looney

for the next 5 games and then come to conclusions.
3 games are just very few to judge players.
Kuminga changed position this season and maybe needs some games to adjust (maybe not)

How did you go from 3 games is too little to make changes to making changes?