And it begins: Jimmy Butler and others

[NW]

That’s gross and can’t consider that with the second apron.

Only thing I’d consider is Dray/2 players (Hield+GP2?) for Jimmy/KLove

Although do we really want this dbag around Wiggins? Maybe he can handle it at this point.

Jimmy slides in at the 2/3. Kuminga full time 4. SloMo back up 4. Loon/TJD/Klove at 5.

Curry/Schroeder
Jimmy/Podz/Waters
Wiggins/Moody
Kuminga/Slomo
Loon/TJD/Love

Butler for Wiggins (who he’s better than), three of four filler players (of which only Buddy plays regularly really) and a first round pick that likely wouldn’t be high after the trade is “gross”? Okay.

If the second apron is a problem, it’s cause Butler and Kuminga played well enough to get paid. That’s a problem I’m good with

it is gross.
that ship, like the lavine ship just to name another one, has sailed the moment this FO let paul's 30M expire for NOTHING.
that was your main asset in a trade like the one you proposed. and that's why it was paramount to keep that 30M slot in the payroll, either for a player meant to stay in GS either for a DLo 2.0.

Disagree
The whole point of adding guys like Melton/SloMo/Buddy was to have the option to use their contracts (along with GP2 and Loon) to make a move for a better player. They’re placeholders, not long term solutions.

[NW]

People praise Coach Spo, Pat Riley, and Heat Culture….Jimmy is pissing buckets on all of that and quitting on his teammates.

He will want an extension or will most likely opt in for his final year of his contract.

That’s gross, I would rather have a younger, less expensive Wiggins any day.

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

[Crazy-Canuck]

People praise Coach Spo, Pat Riley, and Heat Culture….Jimmy is pissing buckets on all of that and quitting on his teammates.

He will want an extension or will most likely opt in for his final year of his contract.

That’s gross, I would rather have a younger, less expensive Wiggins any day.

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

That's just adding talent to fix one hole to just open up more holes.

We have serious spacing issues already and you want to compound that by adding another non shooters? Nevermind that our 2 best perimeter defenders (wiggs and gp2) also need to go out. We already have a log jam at the 4, we just add to it by adding Jimmy.

[NW]

People praise Coach Spo, Pat Riley, and Heat Culture….Jimmy is pissing buckets on all of that and quitting on his teammates.

He will want an extension or will most likely opt in for his final year of his contract.

That’s gross, I would rather have a younger, less expensive Wiggins any day.

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

That's just adding talent to fix one hole to just open up more holes.

We have serious spacing issues already and you want to compound that by adding another non shooters? Nevermind that our 2 best perimeter defenders (wiggs and gp2) also need to go out. We already have a log jam at the 4, we just add to it by adding Jimmy.

Where? Wiggins shot isn’t exactly the model of consistency, though it’s falling now. You add Butler with the belief he can defend wings as well as Wiggins when it matters. Let’s be real, GP2 isn’t staying healthy. Probably comes down somewhat to what pieces Miami adds to fill out the deal among their small contracts and how those help if at all (Love, Larsson, Burks, Richardson, Jovic)

[HiRez]

If Jimmy's "taking it easy" game was

27 m, 9 pts, 3-6, 2 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 to, 0 pf

then imagine what his "not taking it easy" game is.

[whatisacenter]

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

That's just adding talent to fix one hole to just open up more holes.

We have serious spacing issues already and you want to compound that by adding another non shooters? Nevermind that our 2 best perimeter defenders (wiggs and gp2) also need to go out. We already have a log jam at the 4, we just add to it by adding Jimmy.

Where? Wiggins shot isn’t exactly the model of consistency, though it’s falling now. You add Butler with the belief he can defend wings as well as Wiggins when it matters. Let’s be real, GP2 isn’t staying healthy. Probably comes down somewhat to what pieces Miami adds to fill out the deal among their small contracts and how those help if at all (Love, Larsson, Burks, Richardson, Jovic)

Is old ass Jimmydonna staying healthy and not pouting?

[NW]

If Jimmy's "taking it easy" game was

27 m, 9 pts, 3-6, 2 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 to, 0 pf

then imagine what his "not taking it easy" game is.

Probably the 35/19/10 game he had the week before

[NW]

That's just adding talent to fix one hole to just open up more holes.

We have serious spacing issues already and you want to compound that by adding another non shooters? Nevermind that our 2 best perimeter defenders (wiggs and gp2) also need to go out. We already have a log jam at the 4, we just add to it by adding Jimmy.

Where? Wiggins shot isn’t exactly the model of consistency, though it’s falling now. You add Butler with the belief he can defend wings as well as Wiggins when it matters. Let’s be real, GP2 isn’t staying healthy. Probably comes down somewhat to what pieces Miami adds to fill out the deal among their small contracts and how those help if at all (Love, Larsson, Burks, Richardson, Jovic)

Is old ass Jimmydonna staying healthy and not pouting?

Barring Lacob and Dunleavy going to the media and saying they ain’t paying him, I like the chances. You think he would come join Steph and Draymond to pout and half ass after listing them as a preferred destination?

[xdrta+]

When he's unhappy, this is what you get.

Ira Winderman of The South Florida Sun Sentinel.
Analyzing the Pelican game and Butler:
– With lots and lots and lots of standing in the corners.
Then there's this:

Read on Twitter

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[Crazy-Canuck]

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

That's just adding talent to fix one hole to just open up more holes.

We have serious spacing issues already and you want to compound that by adding another non shooters? Nevermind that our 2 best perimeter defenders (wiggs and gp2) also need to go out. We already have a log jam at the 4, we just add to it by adding Jimmy.

Where? Wiggins shot isn’t exactly the model of consistency, though it’s falling now. You add Butler with the belief he can defend wings as well as Wiggins when it matters. Let’s be real, GP2 isn’t staying healthy. Probably comes down somewhat to what pieces Miami adds to fill out the deal among their small contracts and how those help if at all (Love, Larsson, Burks, Richardson, Jovic)

Offense
Pace. Jimmy is a slow it down half court player. No idea how you plan to get any spacing with Jimmy + dray + jk/loon/tjd. Jimmy needs spacing to operate which is something he's always had in Miami. He will have steph and thats it as a starter.

Defense
Jimmy can't replicate wiggins' role. Wiggins is basically the perimeter anchor. The yin to drays yang. He chases 1 to 4, not just sfs. DO you expect Jimmy to be the 2nd option and carry a defensive load on 35+ yr old legs? And it was guys like Caleb that did all the legwork on perimeter defense, Jimmy just picked his spots.

Jimmy is always about Jimmy. If he doesn't get the extension he wants (fyi, it won't be a 2 year exyension), he will do Jimmy things.


Recent examples:

See Derozan.
See Paul George

[whatisacenter]

Also, so glad the Warriors didn't land PG in the offseason.

[Crazy-Canuck]

When he's unhappy, this is what you get.

Ira Winderman of The South Florida Sun Sentinel.
Analyzing the Pelican game and Butler:
– With lots and lots and lots of standing in the corners.
Then there's this:

Read on Twitter

?mx=2

And he's only happy when he gets paid. He's made that abundantly clear.

[B-King]

In regards to Jimmy Butler, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[Onus]

People praise Coach Spo, Pat Riley, and Heat Culture….Jimmy is pissing buckets on all of that and quitting on his teammates.

He will want an extension or will most likely opt in for his final year of his contract.

That’s gross, I would rather have a younger, less expensive Wiggins any day.

I don’t care how revered Riley and Spo are. You tell a star player you don’t want to pay them, they don’t take it well. Wade and Shaq didn’t either when Riley did it to them. Heck, Klay didn’t when Lacob did it.

Wiggins is younger, less expensive - and not as good. If Butler costs something of value, probably not worth it. A deal for Wiggins, contracts of guys not getting much minutes anyway and a first rounder that’s likely mid to end of the first round is not that imo.

Pat was actually pretty smart not to pay Wade and Shaq. They were terrible on their next teams.

Paying a 35 year old forward who's game is made on effort, hustle a max contract for 4 years. No thanks. We already have 2 old players don't need to add a 3rd.

[whatisacenter]

The only way I would want Jimmy is if Draymond was going out and there was no extension for Butler.

[wco81]

The only way I would want Jimmy is if Draymond was going out and there was no extension for Butler.

Both of them on this team would be a nightmare.

Kerr would lose all his hair.

You are basically doubling the chances of meltdowns, suspensions, bad technicals, etc. Maybe worse because they'd fuel each other and bring out even worse instincts.

[jg77]

I was against this trade at first but we're 17-16 and I don't see us going anywhere.

[Old_Blue]

[wco81]

Oddly Butler and PG have both played 22 games each.

PG's shooting percentages are way down while Butler's percentages are up, though very low volume on 3PA.

PG's jumper looked good last night but he was a team-worst -26.

I wonder what the PG-Maxey-Embid lineups have been like this year. They may still make the play-in but as of now, it doesn't look like these 3 stars are meshing well.

Most Warriors fans seemed to be in favor of a long-term commitment to PG in the offseason while they don't feel the same way about Butler.

At least Butler dragged his team to the Finals a couple of times ...

[whatisacenter]

The only way I would want Jimmy is if Draymond was going out and there was no extension for Butler.

Both of them on this team would be a nightmare.

Kerr would lose all his hair.

You are basically doubling the chances of meltdowns, suspensions, bad technicals, etc. Maybe worse because they'd fuel each other and bring out even worse instincts.

I don't necessarily think they would be a huge problem together but would love to get Draymond and his contract out of here.

Also, why would anyone want to trade JK and Wiggins for PG after last night?