Next Offseason

[EvanZ]

I highlighted the first two sentences in your own post just so it's easier to follow. It certainly reads as the musings of someone dissatisfied they didn't tear down/rebuild and who has to 'grin and bear it'

By "it" you mean the last few years of Steph's career, including this one, where we are currently 3 wins from the conference finals with Steph out with his first soft tissue injury ever and Jimmy was undercut and broke his ass.

Looking forward to you deflecting and trying to imply that your post was not lamenting the decisions to keep the core intact because you added the fluff after "hopefully," which is an adverb, by the way.

Just a very strange energy man. I am obviously on record saying many times I wanted to tear it down well before we traded for Jimmy. And here I am saying we need to just lean into it, but you still can't take yes for an answer. You do you bro. Seems like a waste of energy to me to always be looking for a fight where there was none.

Ah yes, the "lean into it" synonym being "grin and bear it." Well done. You're really trying to say that the post I responded to was calling for the fans to "lean into it" and not "grin and bear it?" And it somehow wasn't lamenting the fact that we didn't tear it down? If so, you should try being more clear about your message in the future. It's a text-only medium so tone and vocal inflection don't come through well.

Also, there's no fight here. Just a post complaining about our decision not to tear it down that I responded to by saying this is why I root: to be 7 wins away from a title. Most teams never even get that close. You're the one that had to go all "weird energy, dude" because I responded (*gasp!) on a message board.

You still are going on about this?

[Coxy]

GSW would probably have to include Dray or Jimmy or both, all the role players and probably all the FRPs that GSW controls for the next 5 seasons.

Then it would be Steph and Giannis and not much else ...

No doubt but they're basically fielding 90% of a G-League team right now anyway so I don't know it would be a huge downgrade.

I would keep Jimmy and jettison Dray since Jimmy's facilitation skills overlap Draymond's anyway and he's a lot better on the offensive end (not to mention the constant Dray drama/flagrants/suspensions). Dray still makes some great defensive plays but overall he is diminished, and has not had a great playoff run.

Would probably never happen, or work, but Steph, Giannis, Jimmy is a hell of a core 3 no matter who else you put around them.

Personally I'd trade Jimmy if a deal was in fact on the table. A Giannis/Draymond front line would be the best in the league on defense. We'd be insanely effective with those 2 as our defensive quarterbacks.

One would have to think Jimmy would be the bigger trade chip for the Bucks as well, presumably.

We'd need shooters and wing defenders from there to surround a Giannis/Steph led offense. Those 2, along with with Draymond, would have the ball in their hands 80% of the time, so we'd need some lights out guys. Hield is fine, it's just that SF type we'd need to find, cause guys like Moody/Podz/Kuminga aint it.

[vvoland]

Just a very strange energy man. I am obviously on record saying many times I wanted to tear it down well before we traded for Jimmy. And here I am saying we need to just lean into it, but you still can't take yes for an answer. You do you bro. Seems like a waste of energy to me to always be looking for a fight where there was none.

Ah yes, the "lean into it" synonym being "grin and bear it." Well done. You're really trying to say that the post I responded to was calling for the fans to "lean into it" and not "grin and bear it?" And it somehow wasn't lamenting the fact that we didn't tear it down? If so, you should try being more clear about your message in the future. It's a text-only medium so tone and vocal inflection don't come through well.

Also, there's no fight here. Just a post complaining about our decision not to tear it down that I responded to by saying this is why I root: to be 7 wins away from a title. Most teams never even get that close. You're the one that had to go all "weird energy, dude" because I responded (*gasp!) on a message board.

You still are going on about this?

responding to your weird, somewhat personal response is "going on about this?" It's strange you post 14 THOUSAND times but are irked when the posts get a reply. Talk about weird energy.

[HiRez]

GSW would probably have to include Dray or Jimmy or both, all the role players and probably all the FRPs that GSW controls for the next 5 seasons.

Then it would be Steph and Giannis and not much else ...

No doubt but they're basically fielding 90% of a G-League team right now anyway so I don't know it would be a huge downgrade.

I would keep Jimmy and jettison Dray since Jimmy's facilitation skills overlap Draymond's anyway and he's a lot better on the offensive end (not to mention the constant Dray drama/flagrants/suspensions). Dray still makes some great defensive plays but overall he is diminished, and has not had a great playoff run.

Would probably never happen, or work, but Steph, Giannis, Jimmy is a hell of a core 3 no matter who else you put around them.

Personally I'd trade Jimmy if a deal was in fact on the table. A Giannis/Draymond front line would be the best in the league on defense. We'd be insanely effective with those 2 as our defensive quarterbacks.

One would have to think Jimmy would be the bigger trade chip for the Bucks as well, presumably.

We'd need shooters and wing defenders from there to surround a Giannis/Steph led offense. Those 2, along with with Draymond, would have the ball in their hands 80% of the time, so we'd need some lights out guys. Hield is fine, it's just that SF type we'd need to find, cause guys like Moody/Podz/Kuminga aint it.

Sure, if they're sending Giannis and want Jimmy, that works too. But potential problem is Jimmy's salary perfectly matches that of Gianni's...which sounds good except it means if they want other players in the deal you have to take a lot extra back as well. Whatever, if they can make a Giannis deal work with Steph I don't really care how they do it. Might try to keep Post in the deal though actually, he's under the radar right now.

[vvoland]

No doubt but they're basically fielding 90% of a G-League team right now anyway so I don't know it would be a huge downgrade.

I would keep Jimmy and jettison Dray since Jimmy's facilitation skills overlap Draymond's anyway and he's a lot better on the offensive end (not to mention the constant Dray drama/flagrants/suspensions). Dray still makes some great defensive plays but overall he is diminished, and has not had a great playoff run.

Would probably never happen, or work, but Steph, Giannis, Jimmy is a hell of a core 3 no matter who else you put around them.

Personally I'd trade Jimmy if a deal was in fact on the table. A Giannis/Draymond front line would be the best in the league on defense. We'd be insanely effective with those 2 as our defensive quarterbacks.

One would have to think Jimmy would be the bigger trade chip for the Bucks as well, presumably.

We'd need shooters and wing defenders from there to surround a Giannis/Steph led offense. Those 2, along with with Draymond, would have the ball in their hands 80% of the time, so we'd need some lights out guys. Hield is fine, it's just that SF type we'd need to find, cause guys like Moody/Podz/Kuminga aint it.

Sure, if they're sending Giannis and want Jimmy, that works too. But potential problem is Jimmy's salary perfectly matches that of Gianni's...which sounds good except it means if they want other players in the deal you have to take a lot extra back as well. Whatever, if they can make a Giannis deal work with Steph I don't really care how they do it. Might try to keep Post in the deal though actually, he's under the radar right now.

a Jimmy for Giannis swap is pure lunacy for Mil. With Hou telling the world they prefer Giannis over KD or Book, what can we possibly offer that Hou can't beat? Why would Mil want an old, well paid, Jimmy Butler and this teams' picks when they can get 2 young players from Hou and picks from teams that won't have Giannis?

[HiRez]

Personally I'd trade Jimmy if a deal was in fact on the table. A Giannis/Draymond front line would be the best in the league on defense. We'd be insanely effective with those 2 as our defensive quarterbacks.

One would have to think Jimmy would be the bigger trade chip for the Bucks as well, presumably.

We'd need shooters and wing defenders from there to surround a Giannis/Steph led offense. Those 2, along with with Draymond, would have the ball in their hands 80% of the time, so we'd need some lights out guys. Hield is fine, it's just that SF type we'd need to find, cause guys like Moody/Podz/Kuminga aint it.

Sure, if they're sending Giannis and want Jimmy, that works too. But potential problem is Jimmy's salary perfectly matches that of Gianni's...which sounds good except it means if they want other players in the deal you have to take a lot extra back as well. Whatever, if they can make a Giannis deal work with Steph I don't really care how they do it. Might try to keep Post in the deal though actually, he's under the radar right now.

a Jimmy for Giannis swap is pure lunacy for Mil. With Hou telling the world they prefer Giannis over KD or Book, what can we possibly offer that Hou can't beat? Why would Mil want an old, well paid, Jimmy Butler and this teams' picks when they can get 2 young players from Hou and picks from teams that won't have Giannis?

That's why I was thinking sending basically all our young players (along with maybe or maybe not Draymond) might make more sense. MIL might have some interest in players like Kuminga, Podz, and Moody, but the value to them would mostly be in our draft picks. Teams like OKC and HOU are coming up fast and their future picks are likely to be worth considerably less than the Warriors after Steph...although if we're getting Giannis that complicates it a bit.

[vvoland]

Sure, if they're sending Giannis and want Jimmy, that works too. But potential problem is Jimmy's salary perfectly matches that of Gianni's...which sounds good except it means if they want other players in the deal you have to take a lot extra back as well. Whatever, if they can make a Giannis deal work with Steph I don't really care how they do it. Might try to keep Post in the deal though actually, he's under the radar right now.

a Jimmy for Giannis swap is pure lunacy for Mil. With Hou telling the world they prefer Giannis over KD or Book, what can we possibly offer that Hou can't beat? Why would Mil want an old, well paid, Jimmy Butler and this teams' picks when they can get 2 young players from Hou and picks from teams that won't have Giannis?

That's why I was thinking sending basically all our young players (along with maybe or maybe not Draymond) might make more sense. MIL might have some interest in players like Kuminga, Podz, and Moody, but the value to them would mostly be in our draft picks. Teams like OKC and HOU are coming up fast and their future picks are likely to be worth considerably less than the Warriors after Steph...although if we're getting Giannis that complicates it a bit.

Problem is, HOU and OKC have picks from other teams that will certainly suck (PHX, DAL, LAC).

[Coxy]

Personally I'd trade Jimmy if a deal was in fact on the table. A Giannis/Draymond front line would be the best in the league on defense. We'd be insanely effective with those 2 as our defensive quarterbacks.

One would have to think Jimmy would be the bigger trade chip for the Bucks as well, presumably.

We'd need shooters and wing defenders from there to surround a Giannis/Steph led offense. Those 2, along with with Draymond, would have the ball in their hands 80% of the time, so we'd need some lights out guys. Hield is fine, it's just that SF type we'd need to find, cause guys like Moody/Podz/Kuminga aint it.

Sure, if they're sending Giannis and want Jimmy, that works too. But potential problem is Jimmy's salary perfectly matches that of Gianni's...which sounds good except it means if they want other players in the deal you have to take a lot extra back as well. Whatever, if they can make a Giannis deal work with Steph I don't really care how they do it. Might try to keep Post in the deal though actually, he's under the radar right now.

a Jimmy for Giannis swap is pure lunacy for Mil. With Hou telling the world they prefer Giannis over KD or Book, what can we possibly offer that Hou can't beat? Why would Mil want an old, well paid, Jimmy Butler and this teams' picks when they can get 2 young players from Hou and picks from teams that won't have Giannis?

The deal would be Jimmy + anything they want not named Steph or Draymond, for Giannis.

Other teams offers may be better, but If Giannis tells the Bucks he wants to go to the Warriors, and only the Warriors, that'll factor in.

Also, I think the entire league was astounded at the Doncic trade this season, which came out of nowhere and was seen as being extremely light in return for him. Other teams in the league would have sold their souls to get Luca, however Dallas just simply traded him with a good but older player in return as the centrepiece.

It happens. Not impossible. Improbable, but not impossible, especially if Giannis wants to play with Steph in GS.

[Old_Blue]

Anyone here who thinks the Dubs are landing Giannis is high on shrooms. Milwaukee will be asking for a king's ransom - particularly so since their moron GM has either traded or swapped every single one of their own future 1st round picks. Meanwhile, the Lakers landed Luka for a broken down AD, a single 1st round pick and magic beans. If all of that is not disturbing enough, I just learned that Luka's mom is actually hotter than his girlfriend. All things to ponder and conclude WTF is going on here?

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[wco81]

a Jimmy for Giannis swap is pure lunacy for Mil. With Hou telling the world they prefer Giannis over KD or Book, what can we possibly offer that Hou can't beat? Why would Mil want an old, well paid, Jimmy Butler and this teams' picks when they can get 2 young players from Hou and picks from teams that won't have Giannis?

That's why I was thinking sending basically all our young players (along with maybe or maybe not Draymond) might make more sense. MIL might have some interest in players like Kuminga, Podz, and Moody, but the value to them would mostly be in our draft picks. Teams like OKC and HOU are coming up fast and their future picks are likely to be worth considerably less than the Warriors after Steph...although if we're getting Giannis that complicates it a bit.

Problem is, HOU and OKC have picks from other teams that will certainly suck (PHX, DAL, LAC).

The ONLY way the Warriors or any team other than those teams with tons of draft picks would be if Giannis said he wants to go to the Warriors or some other teams and the Bucks decided to accommodate him, because of what he did for their franchise.

But they don't have to do that, they could go for the best deal, which would be Houston and OKC, young, high-ceiling players as well as a boatload of picks.

He probably wouldn't object to going to those other teams, though if OKC fails to win this year, why would he believe he can win over there when OKC would have to send out JDub or Holmgren and other players? Also in crunch time, SGA is just as good a choice as Giannis, because he's a better FT and jump shooter.

[HiRez]

Everyone saying Giannis is an impossible pipe dream, did you really think KD coming here was realistic? I recall a lot of the same talk then. I did not think it was realistic myself and was of course incredibly happy I was wrong.

That being said, it's incredibly unlikely so I'm assuming they're going to have to find a different path to giving Steph 1-2 more shots.

[vvoland]

Everyone saying Giannis is an impossible pipe dream, did you really think KD coming here was realistic? I recall a lot of the same talk then. I did not think it was realistic myself and was of course incredibly happy I was wrong.

That being said, it's incredibly unlikely so I'm assuming they're going to have to find a different path to giving Steph 1-2 more shots.

100%. We had the money and he was going to move from Oklahoma to the Bay. No brainer, really.

We do not have the assets to compete with Hou or OKC for Giannis. Now, if he says, I'll only play in GS, then yes, let's throw a parade but I don't think that's happening.

[Old_Blue]

Everyone saying Giannis is an impossible pipe dream, did you really think KD coming here was realistic? I recall a lot of the same talk then. I did not think it was realistic myself and was of course incredibly happy I was wrong.

That being said, it's incredibly unlikely so I'm assuming they're going to have to find a different path to giving Steph 1-2 more shots.

100%. We had the money and he was going to move from Oklahoma to the Bay. No brainer, really.

Sure. Because an unusually huge jump in the salary cap that year played absolutely no role in KD to the Dubs even being a possibility.

[powerball1373]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

[Romulus]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

Trade JK AND Draymond, Podz, Moody, and all your picks? I'm in. Do it.

[Old_Blue]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

Effing Adam Silver, claiming that he was "just as surprised as everyone else" at the Luka trade. It's not like we don't know what the new Dallas ownership is getting in exchange - the right to Cooper Flagg!

[powerball1373]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

Effing Adam Silver, claiming that he was "just as surprised as everyone else" at the Luka trade. It's not like we don't know what the new Dallas ownership is getting in exchange - the right to Cooper Flagg!

They just got Flagg lmao

[Old_Blue]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

Effing Adam Silver, claiming that he was "just as surprised as everyone else" at the Luka trade. It's not like we don't know what the new Dallas ownership is getting in exchange - the right to Cooper Flagg!

They just got Flagg lmao

Meh. In 5 years, the Mavs will mysteriously trade Flagg to the Lakers. Book it.

[Onus]

There is one scenario where the Warriors get Giannis that I haven't seen mentioned yet... If the NBA wants to pair Giannis with Steph like they did LeBron and Luka.

Effing Adam Silver, claiming that he was "just as surprised as everyone else" at the Luka trade. It's not like we don't know what the new Dallas ownership is getting in exchange - the right to Cooper Flagg!

They just got Flagg lmao

Such **** bs. Wonder if they trade one of their centers now since this forces ad to center with Flagg as pf.

[powerball1373]

Effing Adam Silver, claiming that he was "just as surprised as everyone else" at the Luka trade. It's not like we don't know what the new Dallas ownership is getting in exchange - the right to Cooper Flagg!

They just got Flagg lmao

Such **** bs. Wonder if they trade one of their centers now since this forces ad to center with Flagg as pf.

They could go super big with Lively at C, AD at PF, and Flagg at SF. Flagg could def play wing in the NBA... he's got the skills and the shot.