Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[ILOVEIT]

The more I hear the more I think Warriors draft Deni. Likely a trade from 2nd spot to 4th spot in order to pick up a player or 2nd round pick. If Deni is just a solid starter level player.... And having pro level experience is the equivalent of a 3-4 year college player. And we know those guys are ready to contribute right away typically.

Curry, Klay, Deni, Wiggins, Draymond.....imagine that skill level and basketball IQ in a small ball lineup.

Then NEXT year Warriors can take a run at Giannis or whomever...with Deni and Wiggins' value much higher.

[ILOVEIT]

This is a deal that works that Chicago would probably jump on. If Warriors don't HAVE to include Eric so much the better....maybe Poole instead.

Warriors trade #2 pick and Eric Paschall
for
Chicago's #4 pick and Wendell Carter

Warriors need size and athleticism, especially if they draft Deni (over a guy like Wiseman). They can get Deni with 4th pick
Chicago gets to move up and either take Ball or Wiseman and get a similar promising young Guard/SF in Eric Paschall.

BTW....I think Eric is a better player...but Wendel might be the better fit for the team.

[Commodor]

This is a deal that works that Chicago would probably jump on. If Warriors don't HAVE to include Eric so much the better....maybe Poole instead.

Warriors trade #2 pick and Eric Paschall
for
Chicago's #4 pick and Wendell Carter

Warriors need size and athleticism, especially if they draft Deni (over a guy like Wiseman). They can get Deni with 4th pick
Chicago gets to move up and either take Ball or Wiseman and get a similar promising young Guard/SF in Eric Paschall.

BTW....I think Eric is a better player...but Wendel might be the better fit for the team.

I do not understand the WCJ love.

Seems to be short (yeah I get it he has length but he's still short).

Doesn't have much outside range, if any.

Doesn't have particularly strong advanced stats around him.

What am I missing? Why would we give up anything for what appears to just be a short Mcgee?

[Mylie10]

I wouldn’t even give up Paschall for Carter straight up. Let alone dropping two spots to four just to make it happen.

[GQ Hot Dog]

This is a deal that works that Chicago would probably jump on. If Warriors don't HAVE to include Eric so much the better....maybe Poole instead.

Warriors trade #2 pick and Eric Paschall
for
Chicago's #4 pick and Wendell Carter

Warriors need size and athleticism, especially if they draft Deni (over a guy like Wiseman). They can get Deni with 4th pick
Chicago gets to move up and either take Ball or Wiseman and get a similar promising young Guard/SF in Eric Paschall.

BTW....I think Eric is a better player...but Wendel might be the better fit for the team.

I would take WCJ as the cost of moving from #4 to #2 but I wouldn't give anything up for him. If the Bulls decided Wiseman is the guy and Charlotte would take him at #3 I imagine they wouldn't be averse to giving WCJ for him. If not, why are they traded up to pick another center?

[TB]

Bulls only do that if they have fallen in love with Ball or Edwards and they are there at 2.

I also think people are sleeping on Wendell Carter. He's sort of an Al Horford clone and on the same trajectory if you look at early Al Horford seasons in comparison. He won't wow you, but his defense is above average, his offense is above average, and hes only 20 years old. He could step into the starting center role right now and be an improvement over Chriss or Looney. The position would be settled.

I'm a huge Paschall fan (he was my choice with our 1st rounder over Poole), but would consider this if we felt our preferred pick was available at 4 (for me that would be Poku but seems like our front office would lean Deni).

[Mav_Carter]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

[TB]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

haha Paschall was still a great pick. He's just more Maggette than Millsap. I think his ceiling (when used correctly) is a perennial 6th man of the year candidate due to near 20ppg production off the bench.

[Warriors Analyst]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

haha Paschall was still a great pick. He's just more Maggette than Millsap. I think his ceiling (when used correctly) is a perennial 6th man of the year candidate due to near 20ppg production off the bench.

The stocks and rebounding, or total absence of, are concerning. But I do think Paschall has solid defensive potential. Next year I imagine that refs will call less ticky tack fouls on him defensively. But he's got the athletic gifts to be a good perimeter defender who can also guard up to the 4/5. Kinda like a mix of Klay -- at least in terms of defensive ability and bizarre inability to rack up the counting stats -- and Barnes' ability to play up a position on D.

I was pretty frustrated by Paschall by the middle of the season when he couldn't stop running people over and going tunnel vision, but the growth at the end of the year was encouraging. Even with a broken three point shot, he shot 57% TS. Even marginal improvements to his three point shot will bump him up into a pretty efficient place as a bench scorer.

[wco81]

I don't know about guarding 5s.

Look at Harrell being exposed in the playoffs especially vs. Joker. Doesn't have enough length (even with long high wingspan and high motor).

[TB]

Ya guys don't usually learn to rebound and protect the rim, which is why I see a more team oriented Bad Porn than a Millsap/PJ Tucker type of do it all defender. If Paschall can just be average on defense that will be huge.

[whatisacenter]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

Hmm, I'm a little conflicted on how I feel about this...on one hand, you of all posters should know trash but on the other hand, he was one of the top rookies in his class...

[GQ Hot Dog]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

Hmm, I'm a little conflicted on how I feel about this...on one hand, you of all posters should know trash but on the other hand, he was one of the top rookies in his class...

Mav's trash is all of our treasure. Paschall, with the way he got infected with Kerr's ball movement ethos, is going to be an outstanding player off the bench and will evolve into our starting PF in 2-3 seasons. He's got all the tools to be a great defender, he'll figure it out. I don't need him to be a shot blocker, just a guy that moves his feet and uses his strength to corral post scorers.

[Quazza]

Yeah I really like WCJ. Body seems to let him down often though. That said he's still super young

[Mylie10]

Agree with the WCJ/Horford comp, WCJ is a very high IQ player...you guys way overrate Paschall...he's trash...

Paschall was a better college player and now a better pro thus far.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Offeason:

1) Jrue Holiday + JJ Redick + 2020 13th pick for Wiggins + Poole + 2020 #2 pick + 2021 Minnesota Pick.
2) Draft Saddiq Bey with 13th
3) Trade Eric Paschal for Late 1st round pick / Early 2nd round pick, draft Desmond Banes
4) Trade Looney + All our 2nd round picks for Early 2nd round pick, draft Paul Reed
5) TPE = Jonas Valaciunas
6) MLE = Serge Ibaka

Curry/Holiday/Bowman
Thompson/Banes/Redick
S.Bey/Tuscano
Green/Ibaka/Reed
Valaciunas/Chriss/Smiley

[GQ Hot Dog]

Offeason:

1) Jrue Holiday + JJ Redick + 2020 13th pick for Wiggins + Poole + 2020 #2 pick + 2021 Minnesota Pick.
2) Draft Saddiq Bey with 13th
3) Trade Eric Paschal for Late 1st round pick / Early 2nd round pick, draft Desmond Banes (Comparison: Eric Gordon)
4) Trade Looney + All our 2nd round picks for Early 2nd round pick, draft Jordan Nwora (Comparison: Poor Man's Klay Thompson)
5) TPE = Jonas Valaciunas
6) MLE = Serge Ibaka

Curry/Holiday/Bowman
Thompson/Banes/Redick
S.Bey/Nwora/Tuscano
Green/Ibaka
Valaciunas/Chriss/Smiley

This is a classic RealGM over the top laundry list.

1. Wiggins alone our team needs more than Holiday. That Holiday has been better than Wiggins so far is negated by our utter dearth of long, defensively versatile wings. Wiggins is the only one on the roster currently so unless your suggestion is to trade him for a better wing, the trade is DOA. Throwing in the two picks and only getting one worse one in return makes it even worse. The whole league is welcome to undervalue Wiggins, we don't(light years and all that).
2. If we traded into the 13th pick and Bey was there while Williams and Avdija were already taken then I like the pick.
3. Eric Paschall with the better part of an NBA year under his belt is going to be a regular contributor. If he had never grown out of his rookie offensive tunnel vision it would be one thing. As it is, he's a guy that can be counted on for 4-5 assists per game. He's perfect for what Kerr wants to do and is a better contributor to a playoff run now than any rookie would be.
4. Looney's defensive versatility and consistency is nothing you'll ever get from a rookie which is why Kerr correctly considers him part of the core. If he's healthy he's a valuable playoff rotation piece.
5. JoVal? I like him but Memphis got good production out of him and they have no reason to cut him loose. They don't have anyone better and they don't need the cap space. We would have to pay for him in picks or players and I don't want to do that.
6. Serge? Sure, offer him the MLE. But he'll end up signing elsewhere for more money.

[DAWill1128]

Paschall is a good one on one scorer who is good at attacking the hoop, I think in competitive heavily contested games you will want that. He’s got that tough bucket ability. Plus having a scorer backing up Draymond just makes sense.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Offeason:

1) Jrue Holiday + JJ Redick + 2020 13th pick for Wiggins + Poole + 2020 #2 pick + 2021 Minnesota Pick.
2) Draft Saddiq Bey with 13th
3) Trade Eric Paschal for Late 1st round pick / Early 2nd round pick, draft Desmond Banes (Comparison: Eric Gordon)
4) Trade Looney + All our 2nd round picks for Early 2nd round pick, draft Jordan Nwora (Comparison: Poor Man's Klay Thompson)
5) TPE = Jonas Valaciunas
6) MLE = Serge Ibaka

Curry/Holiday/Bowman
Thompson/Banes/Redick
S.Bey/Nwora/Tuscano
Green/Ibaka
Valaciunas/Chriss/Smiley

This is a classic RealGM over the top laundry list.

1. Wiggins alone our team needs more than Holiday. That Holiday has been better than Wiggins so far is negated by our utter dearth of long, defensively versatile wings. Wiggins is the only one on the roster currently so unless your suggestion is to trade him for a better wing, the trade is DOA. Throwing in the two picks and only getting one worse one in return makes it even worse. The whole league is welcome to undervalue Wiggins, we don't(light years and all that).
2. If we traded into the 13th pick and Bey was there while Williams and Avdija were already taken then I like the pick.
3. Eric Paschall with the better part of an NBA year under his belt is going to be a regular contributor. If he had never grown out of his rookie offensive tunnel vision it would be one thing. As it is, he's a guy that can be counted on for 4-5 assists per game. He's perfect for what Kerr wants to do and is a better contributor to a playoff run now than any rookie would be.
4. Looney's defensive versatility and consistency is nothing you'll ever get from a rookie which is why Kerr correctly considers him part of the core. If he's healthy he's a valuable playoff rotation piece.
5. JoVal? I like him but Memphis got good production out of him and they have no reason to cut him loose. They don't have anyone better and they don't need the cap space. We would have to pay for him in picks or players and I don't want to do that.
6. Serge? Sure, offer him the MLE. But he'll end up signing elsewhere for more money.

1. I think this trade is possible as Holiday probably wants to play for a contender now (Same with Redick) with a real chance to go deep in the post-season with a retooled/energized Warriors ballclub. Trading Wiggins will come at a cost of giving up our 2020 #2 and next year's draft with Minnesota's 2021 1st round pick (I'd even throw our 1st round pick to make it happen). New Orleans are in rebuild mode after the AD trade the past offseason. Why not let them build around Zion with top draft picks?

2. With the trade happening from above that includes the 2020 #13 pick, I'd be satisfied with the selection of Saddiq Bey -- Assuming Patrick Williams is gone. Saddiq Bey is pretty much Robert Covington with a bit of handles.

3. Okay, maybe jumping the gun with this one. For me, just still need to see more from him rather than just scoring at the 4. His value is probably high; We can get someone

4. I think Looney's hips (injuries) are just becoming too much at this point for this team from a reliability standpoint (Not his fault). He can easily be replaced with someone who can fulfill that role as adequately.

5. We don't have to exercise the TPE option. But, we can use it on a quality starter. Your thoughts? Clint Capela?

6. I guess, realistically, we can just grab Anthony Tolliver. Your thoughts?

[TB]

Offeason:

1) Jrue Holiday + JJ Redick + 2020 13th pick for Wiggins + Poole + 2020 #2 pick + 2021 Minnesota Pick.
2) Draft Saddiq Bey with 13th
3) Trade Eric Paschal for Late 1st round pick / Early 2nd round pick, draft Desmond Banes
4) Trade Looney + All our 2nd round picks for Early 2nd round pick, draft Paul Reed
5) TPE = Jonas Valaciunas
6) MLE = Serge Ibaka

Curry/Holiday/Bowman
Thompson/Banes/Redick
S.Bey/Tuscano
Green/Ibaka/Reed
Valaciunas/Chriss/Smiley

Love seeing peoples off season scenarios. My thoughts:

1) could totally see our front office doing something like this for Jrue. I'd really hope something could get done to keep the minny pick though.
2) lots of love for S Bey. I think I need to watch more of him.
3/4) I don't think Paschall and Looney would be needed to get into late first or early 2nd. Just use 2nd rounders and cash.
5) Guessing we'd have to send next years 1st for Val
6) Ibaka gonna get more than MLE, but ya i'd love this

questions: why get ibaka and Val, two centers? Also, why is Bey starting over Jrue and Bane ahead of JJ on the depth chart? lol