WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

EvanZ · Post #1821 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:32 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:
Zzzzz... what a blowhard.

What is your plan?

Stop reading EvanZ comments, perhaps? Sounds like a good plan.

Seems like you failed already.

Old_Blue · Post #1822 » by **Old_Blue** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:49 pm

EvanZ wrote:So let me get this straight. What people want here is basically nothing to change? Just run it back with Klay and see what happens? Is that really the plan you all have?

Unfortunately, yes, this is what many people think will work. Reality is that we also need (1) a big who knows how to set screens and grab some boards and (2) a veteran backup point guard to run the second unit. One question is how Wiseman will react to playing behind a veteran big. Hopefully, he displays maturity and accepts that he's a long ways off from being a starting quality center in the NBA.

DevinVassell · Post #1823 » by **DevinVassell** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:59 pm

EvanZ wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:
EvanZ wrote:So let me get this straight. What people want here is basically nothing to change?

Zzzzz... what a blowhard.

What is your plan?

Sorry mate, you just seem really into yourself and the holier than thou attitude you have going is annoying. The avatar seems appropriate but maybe change the name to EvanMe.

Mylie101 · Post #1824 » by **Mylie101** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:04 am

Sleepy51 wrote:
Onus wrote:My philosophy on development is to let them succeed at a role first and then they can build off of that. Let the player know this is what they're in the game for and to focus on that. Let him find his footing and then he can build off of that. The Warriors did the complete opposite of that. They rolled the ball out and said let's see what you do and he preceeded to just shoot every time. By the end of his healthy stint they were finally cutting things back and pulling in the reins on him and he was playing better. This all ties into my complaint about the season and how they chose to focus on developing wiseman rather than actually trying to win games and bringing wiseman along slowly. We essentially wasted the first half of the season playing a style of basketball that we'll never play moving forward until Curry is old.

I agree with most of this. I think Wiseman's development was poorly managed this year and largely fell victim to using him as a "Great Time Out" 'esque ad campaign, when he should have been asked to earn his minutes and given specific roles and measures for success. I don't beat up on Kerr or the front office for much, but they tried their damndest to f the donkey here. Yes, despite all of that, Wiseman ended his season playing better basketball than when he started. I'm not even married to keeping him, but there is a lot there still to work with, and he ended the season frankly right about where I hoped he would be, but I never got caught up in the hype. I had reaslistic expectations for a 19 year old big man and knew he would be a multi-year project no matter how he was developed. I'm not a crusader for dumping him or building around him.

Nice Post Sleep!

Mylie101 · Post #1825 » by **Mylie101** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:06 am

Been away for awhile and reading the last couple pages lol

cpower · Post #1826 » by **cpower** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:29 am

Old_Blue wrote:
EvanZ wrote:So let me get this straight. What people want here is basically nothing to change? Just run it back with Klay and see what happens? Is that really the plan you all have?

Unfortunately, yes, this is what many people think will work. Reality is that we also need (1) a big who knows how to set screens and grab some boards and (2) a veteran backup point guard to run the second unit. One question is how Wiseman will react to playing behind a veteran big. Hopefully, he displays maturity and accepts that he's a long ways off from being a starting quality center in the NBA.

imagine asking Kobe to take a back seat for Kwame Brown :-?

mos_def · Post #1827 » by **mos_def** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:40 am

Mylie101 wrote:Been away for awhile and reading the last couple pages lol

Did you forget your login? It says you only have 4 posts, lol

NeoWarriors · Post #1828 » by **NeoWarriors** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:57 am

mos_def wrote:
Mylie101 wrote:Been away for awhile and reading the last couple pages lol

Did you forget your login? It says you only have 4 posts, lol

Could be an impostor.

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whatisacenter · Post #1829 » by **whatisacenter** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:45 am

NeoWarriors wrote:
mos_def wrote:
Mylie101 wrote:Been away for awhile and reading the last couple pages lol

Did you forget your login? It says you only have 4 posts, lol
Could be an impostor.

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same person - different account? 101?

Scoots1994 · Post #1830 » by **Scoots1994** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:06 pm

Pages and pages of talk about vet big, vet playmaker, and 2 lottery picks and some users think the fan base wants nothing to change. :roll:

NeoWarriors · Post #1831 » by **NeoWarriors** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:11 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
NeoWarriors wrote:
mos_def wrote:
Did you forget your login? It says you only have 4 posts, lol
Could be an impostor.

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same person - different account? 101?

I was thinking more nefarious. Some unsavory troll taking on Mylie10's identity to soil his good name. Most likely a Lakers/Lebron groupie.

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EvanZ · Post #1832 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:56 pm

DevinVassell wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:
Zzzzz... what a blowhard.

What is your plan?

Sorry mate, you just seem really into yourself and the holier than thou attitude you have going is annoying. The avatar seems appropriate but maybe change the name to EvanMe.

Got it. So no plan. You're really adding so much to this forum.

and1GS · Post #1833 » by **and1GS** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm

What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

EvanZ · Post #1834 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:50 pm

and1GS wrote:What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

The plan is to trade the picks, Wiggins, Poole (if it helps) and Wiseman for the best player or players we can get now. If we don't get Minny's pick that makes it harder obviously. We need to bring in enough higher tier talent that other veterans think we could have a chance of winning and come in on vet min deals. Unfortunately for us, Siakam was just hit with surgery and is out five months. He was a likely target.

Is Ingram a possibility? I'd kick the tires there.

EvanZ · Post #1835 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:51 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:Pages and pages of talk about vet big, vet playmaker, and 2 lottery picks and some users think the fan base wants nothing to change.

Very unlikely vet mins and two 19-year olds alone help us win next year.

Scoots1994 · Post #1836 » by **Scoots1994** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:46 pm

and1GS wrote:What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

No point in engaging a troll.

EvanZ · Post #1837 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:51 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
and1GS wrote:What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

No point in engaging a troll.

I might be a troll, but sometimes the trolls are right! :lol:

KevinMcreynolds · Post #1838 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:02 pm

Our current team + return of Klay + two lottery picks + a couple vet min shooters absolutely has a chance to get back to the finals. The west is kind of weak imo. It's deep, but there's no dominant team.

Old_Blue · Post #1839 » by **Old_Blue** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:09 pm

EvanZ wrote:I might be a troll, but sometimes the trolls are right!

I wouldn't take any of this too personally if I were you. Whenever a team makes a move that has a significantly deleterious impact on the team's future (whether that be a bad draft pick, a bad managerial or GM selection, etc.), there is a tremendous amount of butt hurt among the fan base. It stems from the sense of powerlessness that goes with watching a beloved team go down the crapper. Personally, I'm treating Wiseman as a sunk cost - Jahlil Okafor 2.0. It is what it is. Lacob/Myers/Kerr swung and missed. On the other hand, if this year's pick or picks are also pissed away, then I'll likely be joining the group calling for heads to roll.

EvanZ · Post #1840 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:33 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Our current team + return of Klay + two lottery picks + a couple vet min shooters absolutely has a chance to get back to the finals. The west is kind of weak imo. It's deep, but there's no dominant team.

Keep in mind if we have two more guaranteed spots on the roster taken up by Lotto picks that only makes it more difficult to add vets. Not only from a roster construction perspective but just promising vets minutes. We also absolutely need to add a veteran center Wiseman and Looney ain’t gonna cut it alone for an entire regular season.

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