WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[xdrta+]

What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

No point in engaging a troll.

I might be a troll, but sometimes the trolls are right!

Only in their (your) own minds.

[and1GS]

What's your plan, Evan?

IMO we need to ship off most or all of these picks to fill out the rotation...then need to get a little lucky with Klay's health. It's a tough problem to solve, but I'm just not seeing the star+2 or 3 rotation guys moves that puts us over the top as favorites.

The plan is to trade the picks, Wiggins, Poole (if it helps) and Wiseman for the best player or players we can get now. If we don't get Minny's pick that makes it harder obviously. We need to bring in enough higher tier talent that other veterans think we could have a chance of winning and come in on vet min deals. Unfortunately for us, Siakam was just hit with surgery and is out five months. He was a likely target.

Is Ingram a possibility? I'd kick the tires there.

Ingram is fascinating to me. All the offensive talent in the world...but can you force him to care about defense? And for the Pels...can you force him to be complementary to Zion? They didn't mesh well this year, so maybe they're inclined to ship him out and do a half re-build around Zion (which I think is a mistake as I don't feel that guy can sustain a long career). If it's something like Wiseman, both of our picks and Wiggins as salary ballast for Ingram and one of Hart/Lonzo I think we'd have to strongly consider it (especially if we could pry away Jackson Hayes). I'm just not sure I'm fully 'in' on Ingram.

The overall issue I have is our current asset set is the last bullet we have in the chamber before we go LAC/BKN mode and trade away future firsts and pick swaps for the next 5-6 years. And I don't think that asset set (2021 picks, Wiseman, Wiggins) is enough to really pry a star away unless they demand a trade to GS, so we're left looking at step-down guys like Ingram and Siakam.

[TB]

What is everyones "worst trade i'd accept" scenario with Wiseman?

I wouldn't doubt if the two camps of "trade wiseman now!" and "i'm pro Wiseman but would move for an allstar" aren't that far off when it comes to actually making a deal.

Perennial all star like a George/Embiid/Beal etc?
Fringe allstar like an Ingram/Simmons etc?
elite role playing vet like Myles Turner or Marcus Smart?
2 or 3 rotation players the level of Covington/Nance Jr/Josh Hart etc?

Me personally, I would definitely trade him for Myles Turner or Marcus Smart. But to get into that next tier, it would have to be 2 or 3 role players I love and even then I doubt that exists right now on a team willing to make a deal.

[and1GS]

I don't think you'd get enough in a Wiseman straight up deal to justify trading him. IMO we should only look to move him as part of a bigger package to get a star or star-adjacent talent (pending the number of assets we bundle).

[FNQ]

What is everyones "worst trade i'd accept" scenario with Wiseman?

I wouldn't doubt if the two camps of "trade wiseman now!" and "i'm pro Wiseman but would move for an allstar" aren't that far off when it comes to actually making a deal.

Perennial all star like a George/Embiid/Beal etc?
Fringe allstar like an Ingram/Simmons etc?
elite role playing vet like Myles Turner or Marcus Smart?
2 or 3 rotation players the level of Covington/Nance Jr/Josh Hart etc?

Me personally, I would definitely trade him for Myles Turner or Marcus Smart. But to get into that next tier, it would have to be 2 or 3 role players I love and even then I doubt that exists right now on a team willing to make a deal.

Boucher + future considerations is the lowest, because in terms of what we need, a win-now player, and salary purposes.. its a good fit. But we'd be sacrificing the unknown, high upside future of Wiseman for the current effectiveness of Boucher. I think its an outlier though as there are very few other scenarios where I'd do this, mainly because players of Boucher's age typically have larger contracts

If not for him though, if we're calling Myles Turner an elite role player, then I guess that's my minimum. I could conceivably be on board with the rotation players if they were ideal fits, if their contracts weren't expiring, and if we make other moves that make them make sense.

Wiseman is not some sacred young piece that we should be afraid to move. The minimum deal you'd take is a consistently moving target based on so many variables.. but if he's not ready to be a positive contributor next season, or if we don't think he is, I'd be willing to move him for a lot less than the people obsessed with his former draft position, for sure.

[EvanZ]

Would Charlotte trade Miles Bridges for Wiseman?

[EvanZ]

What is everyones "worst trade i'd accept" scenario with Wiseman?

I wouldn't doubt if the two camps of "trade wiseman now!" and "i'm pro Wiseman but would move for an allstar" aren't that far off when it comes to actually making a deal.

Perennial all star like a George/Embiid/Beal etc?
Fringe allstar like an Ingram/Simmons etc?
elite role playing vet like Myles Turner or Marcus Smart?
2 or 3 rotation players the level of Covington/Nance Jr/Josh Hart etc?

Me personally, I would definitely trade him for Myles Turner or Marcus Smart. But to get into that next tier, it would have to be 2 or 3 role players I love and even then I doubt that exists right now on a team willing to make a deal.

Boucher + future considerations is the lowest, because in terms of what we need, a win-now player, and salary purposes.. its a good fit.

Remember when...we had Boucher? Imagine having to trade an asset for a guy you already had.

[Scoots1994]

Our current team + return of Klay + two lottery picks + a couple vet min shooters absolutely has a chance to get back to the finals. The west is kind of weak imo. It's deep, but there's no dominant team.

I was surprised, as down as the west seemed this year, that the east was much worse. I wonder if the NBA will try to take a step back on the player mobility thing in the next CBA to try to get more parity and get more "team" fans rather than "player" fans.

[Scoots1994]

Only in their (your) own minds.

You can never stop a trolls belief in themselves ... publicly. Privately I think they realize how sad their existence really is.

[Mylie101]

Been away for awhile and reading the last couple pages lol

Did you forget your login? It says you only have 4 posts, lol

Yeah…..to lazy to hunt it down because it had an old email lol

[xdrta+]

Boucher is fool's gold, IMO.

[Mylie101]

Could be an impostor.

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same person - different account? 101?

I was thinking more nefarious. Some unsavory troll taking on Mylie10's identity to soil his good name. Most likely a Lakers/Lebron groupie.

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Lol

[Mylie101]

If a guys avatar is himself, it’s a red flag.

[EvanZ]

I love how the people here talking about trolls don't actually talk about basketball. Carry on, "fans".

[Onus]

Wiseman isn’t getting traded for anything less than an all star type player. When you hire a coach specifically for that player, that player is here to stay.

[Mylie101]

Great caricature though lol

[GSWFan1994]

I might be a troll, but sometimes the trolls are right!

I wouldn't take any of this too personally if I were you. Whenever a team makes a move that has a significantly deleterious impact on the team's future (whether that be a bad draft pick, a bad managerial or GM selection, etc.), there is a tremendous amount of butt hurt among the fan base. It stems from the sense of powerlessness that goes with watching a beloved team go down the crapper. Personally, I'm treating Wiseman as a sunk cost - Jahlil Okafor 2.0. It is what it is. Lacob/Myers/Kerr swung and missed. On the other hand, if this year's pick or picks are also pissed away, then I'll likely be joining the group calling for heads to roll.

You already do that with your passive/aggressive behavior, buddy!

[Old_Blue]

Remember when...we had Boucher? Imagine having to trade an asset for a guy you already had.

That boat already sailed. Incredible to think that Boucher was given exactly 1 game in a Warriors uniform. Meanwhile. Smailagic has suited up for 29 games with the Dubs. Horrible. Just horrible.

[FNQ]

What is everyones "worst trade i'd accept" scenario with Wiseman?

I wouldn't doubt if the two camps of "trade wiseman now!" and "i'm pro Wiseman but would move for an allstar" aren't that far off when it comes to actually making a deal.

Perennial all star like a George/Embiid/Beal etc?
Fringe allstar like an Ingram/Simmons etc?
elite role playing vet like Myles Turner or Marcus Smart?
2 or 3 rotation players the level of Covington/Nance Jr/Josh Hart etc?

Me personally, I would definitely trade him for Myles Turner or Marcus Smart. But to get into that next tier, it would have to be 2 or 3 role players I love and even then I doubt that exists right now on a team willing to make a deal.

Boucher + future considerations is the lowest, because in terms of what we need, a win-now player, and salary purposes.. its a good fit.

Remember when...we had Boucher? Imagine having to trade an asset for a guy you already had.

He improved massively since he was here.. in a way you probably wouldn't expect a 26 year old to develop. His 3pt shot was a project before, now its not. He could always block shots, but he left position to do it. Did much better at that this year. Concerns about him being able to hang with NBA bodies - 24 mpg while maintaining the numbers he was getting against backups

Every single team passed on him on multiple occasions, Warriors were the only team besides Toronto that saw anything worth bringing in. Gave up too soon because of the shot and defensive awareness. Shouldn't let that stop us from acquiring a great fit for our team.. shouldnt have had to watch more than a few Raptors games to see that he's a legit C, probably the exact player we hoped Wiseman would have been

[Scoots1994]

Boucher is fool's gold, IMO.

Certainly not worth the rampant speculation.