Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

[HiRez]

Hawks lost tonight, but Okongwu with 28 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers, 2 PF.

Just imagine if we had traded down in the 2020 draft from Wiseman (#2) for Okongwu (#6) and Haliburton (#12)...both guys I liked BTW! Damn.

[statsman]

Hawks lost tonight, but Okongwu with 28 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers, 2 PF.

Just imagine if we had traded down in the 2020 draft from Wiseman (#2) for Okongwu (#6) and Haliburton (#12)...both guys I liked BTW! Damn.

I'll get the DeLorean warmed up and Mr. Fusion topped off ...

[wco81]

Hawks lost tonight, but Okongwu with 28 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers, 2 PF.

Just imagine if we had traded down in the 2020 draft from Wiseman (#2) for Okongwu (#6) and Haliburton (#12)...both guys I liked BTW! Damn.

Honestly, if they thought he'd be the best player, they should have picked him at #2 regardless of whether they could trade down for him.

In retrospect they'd be better off if they picked Deni, Okongwu, Vassell. Not sure about Haliburton though. He had that 1/2 to 1 season of ungodly numbers and haven't come close to it yet. Despite being 6-5, he's a defensive liability.

And definitely, glad they didn't draft LaMelo, what a joke that would have been, probably paying a fortune for empty stats.

[Onus]

Hawks lost tonight, but Okongwu with 28 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers, 2 PF.

Just imagine if we had traded down in the 2020 draft from Wiseman (#2) for Okongwu (#6) and Haliburton (#12)...both guys I liked BTW! Damn.

Honestly, if they thought he'd be the best player, they should have picked him at #2 regardless of whether they could trade down for him.

In retrospect they'd be better off if they picked Deni, Okongwu, Vassell. Not sure about Haliburton though. He had that 1/2 to 1 season of ungodly numbers and haven't come close to it yet. Despite being 6-5, he's a defensive liability.

And definitely, glad they didn't draft LaMelo, what a joke that would have been, probably paying a fortune for empty stats.

Probably better off trading #2 and their 1st back for Ant.

[wco81]

I don't think they had an additional FRP that year.

People didn't predict Ant would be such a good shooter so soon. His one year at Georgia he didn't shoot that well.

It was just a bad year to have a high lotto pick. Better to be mid lotto than top 3 or top 5.

I wonder if there was ever a chance of having Wiseman just be the #3 or #2 center, just for his size and athleticism. As a rookie he did show some range but look at the minutes Post is getting. JW was never going to shoot that well, though if they gave him wide open looks maybe over time. But the team reined in his 3-point attempts too.

Okongwu certainly wasn't a 3-point shooter for the first few seasons of his career either but when given wide looks his shot looks pretty good and he's got the athleticism to attack closeouts and go hard at the rim. So maybe if they had some patience. But maybe the 2022 title made them think they don't need an athletic big at all.

We will see this year.

[HiRez]

Feels like there's a real chance we could see the #5, #6, and #7 teams in the 2nd round of the West playoffs, I doubt that's ever happened before. Of course once the refs get their claws into the Lakers/Wolves series, Wolves are probably screwed.

[AirP.]

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[watch1958]

Hawks lost tonight, but Okongwu with 28 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers, 2 PF.

Just imagine if we had traded down in the 2020 draft from Wiseman (#2) for Okongwu (#6) and Haliburton (#12)...both guys I liked BTW! Damn.

Honestly, if they thought he'd be the best player, they should have picked him at #2 regardless of whether they could trade down for him.

In retrospect they'd be better off if they picked Deni, Okongwu, Vassell. Not sure about Haliburton though. He had that 1/2 to 1 season of ungodly numbers and haven't come close to it yet. Despite being 6-5, he's a defensive liability.

And definitely, glad they didn't draft LaMelo, what a joke that would have been, probably paying a fortune for empty stats.

Probably better off trading #2 and their 1st back for Ant.

Yes, except they didn’t want Ant. Didn’t like his “work habits”.

[Jester_]

Wolves really showed the holes in LAL roster. I think Lakers still take the series, but they have no rim protection and have a bunch of d-league scrubs outside of luka/bron/reaves

[wco81]

NBA stars now wearing what looks like modern versions of old track suits worn by old men except these are from designers so probably cost thousands.

Dame wearing some ugly top which says "Vuitton" across the front. Now Banchero, wearing something which says "Balcinega."

[vvoland]

anyone missing ty jerome yet? Despite resenting him for getting minutes over moody and JK, I wanted the dubs to bring him back. From what I remember, he didn't cost much

[statsman]

anyone missing ty jerome yet? Despite resenting him for getting minutes over moody and JK, I wanted the dubs to bring him back. From what I remember, he didn't cost much

The Warrior tendered a qualifying offer to Ty, but the Cavs structured their two year RFA offer such that the Warriors couldn't match it and they had no exceptions spare to go above what they could match.

[wco81]

anyone missing ty jerome yet? Despite resenting him for getting minutes over moody and JK, I wanted the dubs to bring him back. From what I remember, he didn't cost much

He's making $2.57 million for the Cavs. He will be UFA after the playoffs and he will probably make a lot more than even MLE

This is the second year of his contract. He played very little or didn't play in 2023-24 because of injury.

So when he was with the Warriors, he didn't even have a fully-guaranteed minimum salary because he was a 2-way player.

Obviously he signed with Cavs for more than a minimum contract so the Warriors probably were unwilling to pay him that much. Either that or his current contract represented a bigger increase in salary than the Warriors could offer him.

My guess is they didn't want to pay anyone over the minimum for the last couple of spots on the bench. Instead they got guys like Quinones, Spencer, CoJo, Jerome Robinson to play the season after Jerome was here.

These players cost the team a lot less both in salary and luxury taxes.

But is there any question how much more Jerome would be helping this team? He's making $2.56 million this season, which would be a huge bargain for his production. Spencer and Post are each making under $440k. Gui and TJD are making just under $1.9 million. I'm not sure what the minimum is for a vet with years of service which Jerome has but it can't be much less than what he's making this season.

[vvoland]

anyone missing ty jerome yet? Despite resenting him for getting minutes over moody and JK, I wanted the dubs to bring him back. From what I remember, he didn't cost much

He's making $2.57 million for the Cavs. He will be UFA after the playoffs and he will probably make a lot more than even MLE

This is the second year of his contract. He played very little or didn't play in 2023-24 because of injury.

So when he was with the Warriors, he didn't even have a fully-guaranteed minimum salary because he was a 2-way player.

Obviously he signed with Cavs for more than a minimum contract so the Warriors probably were unwilling to pay him that much. Either that or his current contract represented a bigger increase in salary than the Warriors could offer him.

My guess is they didn't want to pay anyone over the minimum for the last couple of spots on the bench. Instead they got guys like Quinones, Spencer, CoJo, Jerome Robinson to play the season after Jerome was here.

These players cost the team a lot less both in salary and luxury taxes.

But is there any question how much more Jerome would be helping this team? He's making $2.56 million this season, which would be a huge bargain for his production. Spencer and Post are each making under $440k. Gui and TJD are making just under $1.9 million. I'm not sure what the minimum is for a vet with years of service which Jerome has but it can't be much less than what he's making this season.

I think the 2/5 he signed was very close to the league minimum. He was good in the time he had here and I think he would have stayed, if offered a guaranteed deal. Just weird that Kerr spent so many games giving him run over our younger prospects, including in the playoffs, for the FO to lose him for ~300K/yr.

[wco81]

anyone missing ty jerome yet? Despite resenting him for getting minutes over moody and JK, I wanted the dubs to bring him back. From what I remember, he didn't cost much

He's making $2.57 million for the Cavs. He will be UFA after the playoffs and he will probably make a lot more than even MLE

This is the second year of his contract. He played very little or didn't play in 2023-24 because of injury.

So when he was with the Warriors, he didn't even have a fully-guaranteed minimum salary because he was a 2-way player.

Obviously he signed with Cavs for more than a minimum contract so the Warriors probably were unwilling to pay him that much. Either that or his current contract represented a bigger increase in salary than the Warriors could offer him.

My guess is they didn't want to pay anyone over the minimum for the last couple of spots on the bench. Instead they got guys like Quinones, Spencer, CoJo, Jerome Robinson to play the season after Jerome was here.

These players cost the team a lot less both in salary and luxury taxes.

But is there any question how much more Jerome would be helping this team? He's making $2.56 million this season, which would be a huge bargain for his production. Spencer and Post are each making under $440k. Gui and TJD are making just under $1.9 million. I'm not sure what the minimum is for a vet with years of service which Jerome has but it can't be much less than what he's making this season.

I think the 2/5 he signed was very close to the league minimum. He was good in the time he had here and I think he would have stayed, if offered a guaranteed deal. Just weird that Kerr spent so many games giving him run over our younger prospects, including in the playoffs, for the FO to lose him for ~300K/yr.

But you multiply those dollars over the minimum by some factor to pay for the luxury tax.

[watch1958]

He's making $2.57 million for the Cavs. He will be UFA after the playoffs and he will probably make a lot more than even MLE

This is the second year of his contract. He played very little or didn't play in 2023-24 because of injury.

So when he was with the Warriors, he didn't even have a fully-guaranteed minimum salary because he was a 2-way player.

Obviously he signed with Cavs for more than a minimum contract so the Warriors probably were unwilling to pay him that much. Either that or his current contract represented a bigger increase in salary than the Warriors could offer him.

My guess is they didn't want to pay anyone over the minimum for the last couple of spots on the bench. Instead they got guys like Quinones, Spencer, CoJo, Jerome Robinson to play the season after Jerome was here.

These players cost the team a lot less both in salary and luxury taxes.

But is there any question how much more Jerome would be helping this team? He's making $2.56 million this season, which would be a huge bargain for his production. Spencer and Post are each making under $440k. Gui and TJD are making just under $1.9 million. I'm not sure what the minimum is for a vet with years of service which Jerome has but it can't be much less than what he's making this season.

I think the 2/5 he signed was very close to the league minimum. He was good in the time he had here and I think he would have stayed, if offered a guaranteed deal. Just weird that Kerr spent so many games giving him run over our younger prospects, including in the playoffs, for the FO to lose him for ~300K/yr.

But you multiply those dollars over the minimum by some factor to pay for the luxury tax.

Also, once they got CP3, ball handlers were just unlikely to sign here that season.

[watch1958]

Dennis S just scored 20 in Pistons win over the Knicks.

[vvoland]

He's making $2.57 million for the Cavs. He will be UFA after the playoffs and he will probably make a lot more than even MLE

This is the second year of his contract. He played very little or didn't play in 2023-24 because of injury.

So when he was with the Warriors, he didn't even have a fully-guaranteed minimum salary because he was a 2-way player.

Obviously he signed with Cavs for more than a minimum contract so the Warriors probably were unwilling to pay him that much. Either that or his current contract represented a bigger increase in salary than the Warriors could offer him.

My guess is they didn't want to pay anyone over the minimum for the last couple of spots on the bench. Instead they got guys like Quinones, Spencer, CoJo, Jerome Robinson to play the season after Jerome was here.

These players cost the team a lot less both in salary and luxury taxes.

But is there any question how much more Jerome would be helping this team? He's making $2.56 million this season, which would be a huge bargain for his production. Spencer and Post are each making under $440k. Gui and TJD are making just under $1.9 million. I'm not sure what the minimum is for a vet with years of service which Jerome has but it can't be much less than what he's making this season.

I think the 2/5 he signed was very close to the league minimum. He was good in the time he had here and I think he would have stayed, if offered a guaranteed deal. Just weird that Kerr spent so many games giving him run over our younger prospects, including in the playoffs, for the FO to lose him for ~300K/yr.

But you multiply those dollars over the minimum by some factor to pay for the luxury tax.

I stand corrected in the other thread. xdrta pointed out that we couldn't match the 2.5/yr the cavs offered.

[xdrta+]

I stand corrected in the other thread. xdrta pointed out that we couldn't match the 2.5/yr the cavs offered.

Slater pointed out at the time that Cleveland purposely structured it so the Warriors couldn't match. They had an exception to use (bi-annual) so they didn't need to use a minimum.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Trading offense for defense just cooked the bucks.

And remember all those people that were clamoring for a wiggins - kuzma swap? Kuzma is another guy killing the bucks.

No way giannis stays in Milwaukee. Roster disaster.