Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[jason bourne]

If you scroll up I already detailed this exact way we could build a team with Myles Turner

>>Draft Deni+Bane, James Johnson+Minny 1st + a 2nd for Myles turner<<

I agree the bridge is a good way, probably the best way, as Pacers may want to keep TJ Warren. Maybe the Warriors can get it done without giving up the 2021 Minny 1st? I dunno. Their SRP would be used to trade for James Johnson's expiring. The Warriors haven't given up a FRP in recent years except for the Iguodala trade.

As for drafting Desmond Bane, it may be tough. He's rumored to be wanted by the Nets at #19.

If you read the first line, I said James Johnson + the 17th pick for our 2021 1st round

In this case we have #2 and #17 in this year. We take Bane 17, Deni 2

That makes no sense. You can get JJ for SRP.

[ShayDee]

>>Draft Deni+Bane, James Johnson+Minny 1st + a 2nd for Myles turner<<

I agree the bridge is a good way, probably the best way, as Pacers may want to keep TJ Warren. Maybe the Warriors can get it done without giving up the 2021 Minny 1st? I dunno. Their SRP would be used to trade for James Johnson's expiring. The Warriors haven't given up a FRP in recent years except for the Iguodala trade.

As for drafting Desmond Bane, it may be tough. He's rumored to be wanted by the Nets at #19.

If you read the first line, I said James Johnson + the 17th pick for our 2021 1st round

In this case we have #2 and #17 in this year. We take Bane 17, Deni 2

That makes no sense. You can get JJ for SRP.

I need to post an image since you having a hard time



This is the main proposal. I want the 17th pick, so we give them our 2021 for 2 players this year for depth next season

[ChuckDurn]

>>Draft Deni+Bane, James Johnson+Minny 1st + a 2nd for Myles turner<<

I agree the bridge is a good way, probably the best way, as Pacers may want to keep TJ Warren. Maybe the Warriors can get it done without giving up the 2021 Minny 1st? I dunno. Their SRP would be used to trade for James Johnson's expiring. The Warriors haven't given up a FRP in recent years except for the Iguodala trade.

As for drafting Desmond Bane, it may be tough. He's rumored to be wanted by the Nets at #19.

If you read the first line, I said James Johnson + the 17th pick for our 2021 1st round

In this case we have #2 and #17 in this year. We take Bane 17, Deni 2

That makes no sense. You can get JJ for SRP.

Based on what? That’s speculation. Maybe it’s right, maybe it’s wrong, but please recognize that this is your opinion / assessment, which not everybody would necessarily agree with.

And frankly, even if you could get Johnson by giving up a second-round pick, I’d probably rather trade our 2021 first-round pick (probably pick 25 or so) for the 2020 #17 pick, without having to give up a second-round pick, than sending out a pick to get him.

So I’d suggest that even if you’re right about being able to get Johnson for a second-rounder, that’s a worse deal than what ShayDee was offering anyways.

[Mylie10]

Looking at potential TPE guys who could net us a pick just to take the salary. James Johnson is a candidate.

[cpower]

We need to trade for cheap vet who can make a big impact. guys like KCP, Crowder are making less than 10m but making huge impact on both side of the floor. I am disappointed that Bob Myers is not getting us good players but instead of gambling for high price low impact players like Wiggins.

[TB]

Looking at potential TPE guys who could net us a pick just to take the salary. James Johnson is a candidate.

Great point.

I wonder if Thad Young could also be a situation where they give up a pick. He's one of my main TPE targets even without getting something, but would be amazing to add some asset as well.

[jason bourne]

If you read the first line, I said James Johnson + the 17th pick for our 2021 1st round

In this case we have #2 and #17 in this year. We take Bane 17, Deni 2

That makes no sense. You can get JJ for SRP.

I need to post an image since you having a hard time



This is the main proposal. I want the 17th pick, so we give them our 2021 for 2 players this year for depth next season

I understood you the first time. It's still crazy. What you don't get is why would the TWolves include their 17th pick? If I were the TWolves and you want Bane so bad, then give back our 2021 pick. No guarantee you get Bane either with #17.

Instead, see who picks Bane before the Heat and make a trade with them. That's how it's usually done.

[ShayDee]

That makes no sense. You can get JJ for SRP.

I need to post an image since you having a hard time



This is the main proposal. I want the 17th pick, so we give them our 2021 for 2 players this year for depth next season

I understood you the first time. It's still crazy. What you don't get is why would the TWolves include their 17th pick? If I were the TWolves and you want Bane so bad, then give back our 2021 pick. No guarantee you get Bane either with #17.

Instead, see who picks Bane before the Heat and make a trade with them. That's how it's usually done.

I have thought of that scenario. I came to the conclusion that the Twolves would want a 2021 pick more than the 17th pick this year. 2nd. a Team that picks Bane after the heat will not want to give him away and it will be more expensive than dealing with the wolves. We also might have a good relationship with the wolves. Giving them DLO and taking Wiggins for cheap

We also get JJ contract which makes the trade cheaper than normal. Any other team will want us to add 2 first round picks or a first and future 2nd. Teams like BRK, MIL, DEN, TOR, NYK, DAL would be expensive dealing with them. James Johnson is also the best wing/forward we get in any deal for TPE that could defend Bron/AD

[jason bourne]

I need to post an image since you having a hard time



This is the main proposal. I want the 17th pick, so we give them our 2021 for 2 players this year for depth next season

I understood you the first time. It's still crazy. What you don't get is why would the TWolves include their 17th pick? If I were the TWolves and you want Bane so bad, then give back our 2021 pick. No guarantee you get Bane either with #17.

Instead, see who picks Bane before the Heat and make a trade with them. That's how it's usually done.

I have thought of that scenario. I came to the conclusion that the Twolves would want a 2021 pick more than the 17th pick this year. 2nd. a Team that picks Bane after the heat will not want to give him away and it will be more expensive than dealing with the wolves. We also might have a good relationship with the wolves. Giving them DLO and taking Wiggins for cheap

We also get JJ contract which makes the trade cheaper than normal. Any other team will want us to add 2 first round picks or a first and future 2nd. Teams like BRK, MIL, DEN, TOR, NYK, DAL would be expensive dealing with them. James Johnson is also the best wing/forward we get in any deal for TPE that could defend Bron/AD

I looked who Bane is and he's listed as #59 on the Top 100 Big Board. Warriors could draft him with their SRP.

[ShayDee]

I understood you the first time. It's still crazy. What you don't get is why would the TWolves include their 17th pick? If I were the TWolves and you want Bane so bad, then give back our 2021 pick. No guarantee you get Bane either with #17.

Instead, see who picks Bane before the Heat and make a trade with them. That's how it's usually done.

I have thought of that scenario. I came to the conclusion that the Twolves would want a 2021 pick more than the 17th pick this year. 2nd. a Team that picks Bane after the heat will not want to give him away and it will be more expensive than dealing with the wolves. We also might have a good relationship with the wolves. Giving them DLO and taking Wiggins for cheap

We also get JJ contract which makes the trade cheaper than normal. Any other team will want us to add 2 first round picks or a first and future 2nd. Teams like BRK, MIL, DEN, TOR, NYK, DAL would be expensive dealing with them. James Johnson is also the best wing/forward we get in any deal for TPE that could defend Bron/AD

I looked who Bane is and he's listed as #59 on the Top 100 Big Board. Warriors could draft him with their SRP.

What big board?
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/
https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-draft/nba-draft-prospects
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911054-2020-nba-big-board-top-50-players-as-2020-finals-begin
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/04/06/desmond-bane-scouting-report/
https://nbabigboard.com/ (this one is very old and has not been updated since May 2020)
https://uproxx.com/dimemag/desmond-bane-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2020-nba-mock-draft-80-why-first-round-depth-could-benefit-celtics?int

I mean there are many, just look it up. ESPN big board is nonsense and not recent. Bane is a top 25 prospect in this draft despite being a senior with short wingspan and slow feet and there is a reason for that. The warriors cannot allow a playoff team to get this dude

[jason bourne]

I have thought of that scenario. I came to the conclusion that the Twolves would want a 2021 pick more than the 17th pick this year. 2nd. a Team that picks Bane after the heat will not want to give him away and it will be more expensive than dealing with the wolves. We also might have a good relationship with the wolves. Giving them DLO and taking Wiggins for cheap

We also get JJ contract which makes the trade cheaper than normal. Any other team will want us to add 2 first round picks or a first and future 2nd. Teams like BRK, MIL, DEN, TOR, NYK, DAL would be expensive dealing with them. James Johnson is also the best wing/forward we get in any deal for TPE that could defend Bron/AD

I looked who Bane is and he's listed as #59 on the Top 100 Big Board. Warriors could draft him with their SRP.

What big board?
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/
https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-draft/nba-draft-prospects
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911054-2020-nba-big-board-top-50-players-as-2020-finals-begin
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/04/06/desmond-bane-scouting-report/
https://nbabigboard.com/ (this one is very old and has not been updated since May 2020)
https://uproxx.com/dimemag/desmond-bane-2020-nba-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2020-nba-mock-draft-80-why-first-round-depth-could-benefit-celtics?int

I mean there are many, just look it up. ESPN big board is nonsense and not recent. Bane is a top 25 prospect in this draft despite being a senior with short wingspan and slow feet and there is a reason for that. The warriors cannot allow a playoff team to get this dude

Mine is updated since 8/28/2020: https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/

You can see which players have moved up, down, or stayed the same.

I used BR on your list and Bane is #26. No need to overpay in a weak draft. BTW, James Wiseman is #9. On mine, he's #7 and moved up one.

"26. Desmond Bane (TCU, SG, Senior)

Consistent shooting, strong playmaking and a high defensive IQ point to Bane as an NBA fit, even if his lack of speed and explosion limit his creation and finishing. It's easy to picture a supporting rotation player based on his particular versatility and mature approach."

You still want to deal with the team who selects him. They should be willing to trade. Also, you take into account what happens for the Warriors in trade.

B/R has them trading down.

"Trade at 8. Golden State Warriors (via Knicks): Devin Vassell (FSU, SF, Soph)
8 of 13

Golden State Warriors receive: No. 8, No. 27, Dallas Mavericks 2021 first-round pick, Frank Ntilikina

New York Knicks receive: No. 2

Moving down makes sense for the Golden State Warriors if they determine there will be a similarly helpful player at No. 8 as there is at No. 2. They're likely to have trouble approving LaMelo Ball's fit for the lineup and locker room, and drafting a center like James Wiseman at No. 2 just isn't as sensible in today's NBA, particularly for an offense that's run through Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

But a wing like Devin Vassell should have Golden State's attention. The Warriors could use another three-and-D forward, and Vassell has become the most appealing one in the draft after shooting over 40 percent from three in both of his collegiate seasons and consistently making advanced defensive reads, rotations and plays on the ball.

He'd improve the Warriors' athleticism, give them another shot-maker and strengthen their team defense with his IQ and playmaking.

By trading, the Warriors can also squeeze two more first-round picks from the New York Knicks (one via Dallas in 2021), plus another needed perimeter defender in Frank Ntilikina."

[jason bourne]

I think the Warriors are focused on trading the #2 pick first. So are the TWolves but are confused.

Anyway, if the Knicks deal happens, then you can take Bane at #27 .

[xdrta+]

, and drafting a center like James Wiseman at No. 2 just isn't as sensible in today's NBA, particularly for an offense that's run through Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

I don't know why people keep saying it's not sensible to draft a center. The West has eight 7 footers that the Warriors will have to deal with, and most of them will be in the playoffs. Steven Adams, Ayton, Rudy Gobert, Jokic, Nurkic on Portland, KAT on Minny, and Valanciunas with the Grizzlies. Chriss, Looney, and Draymond are not going to get the job done, and I don't see any minimum salary centers that will either.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

, and drafting a center like James Wiseman at No. 2 just isn't as sensible in today's NBA, particularly for an offense that's run through Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

I don't know why people keep saying it's not sensible to draft a center. The West has eight 7 footers that the Warriors will have to deal with, and most of them will be in the playoffs. Steven Adams, Ayton, Rudy Gobert, Jokic, Nurkic on Portland, KAT on Minny, and Valanciunas with the Grizzlies. Chriss, Looney, and Draymond are not going to get the job done, and I don't see any minimum salary centers that will either.

If you're worried about the bigs in the west, then I want Marc Gasol via MLE. He ain't got the legs to run and his offensive output isn't where it was before, but he can still give you solid defense, rebounding, shooting, and passing for a big guy.

Other than Green and maybe Looney, we don't have any frontcourt players who are ready or skilled enough to go up against the bigs in his rookie season.

[Coxy]

, and drafting a center like James Wiseman at No. 2 just isn't as sensible in today's NBA, particularly for an offense that's run through Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

I don't know why people keep saying it's not sensible to draft a center. The West has eight 7 footers that the Warriors will have to deal with, and most of them will be in the playoffs. Steven Adams, Ayton, Rudy Gobert, Jokic, Nurkic on Portland, KAT on Minny, and Valanciunas with the Grizzlies. Chriss, Looney, and Draymond are not going to get the job done, and I don't see any minimum salary centers that will either.

If you're worried about the bigs in the west, then I want Marc Gasol via MLE. He ain't got the legs to run and his offensive output isn't where it was before, but he can still give you solid defense, rebounding, shooting, and passing for a big guy.

Other than Green and maybe Looney, we don't have any frontcourt players who are ready or skilled enough to go up against the bigs in his rookie season.

Gasol is probably staying in Spain and signing with Barcelona.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I don't know why people keep saying it's not sensible to draft a center. The West has eight 7 footers that the Warriors will have to deal with, and most of them will be in the playoffs. Steven Adams, Ayton, Rudy Gobert, Jokic, Nurkic on Portland, KAT on Minny, and Valanciunas with the Grizzlies. Chriss, Looney, and Draymond are not going to get the job done, and I don't see any minimum salary centers that will either.

If you're worried about the bigs in the west, then I want Marc Gasol via MLE. He ain't got the legs to run and his offensive output isn't where it was before, but he can still give you solid defense, rebounding, shooting, and passing for a big guy.

Other than Green and maybe Looney, we don't have any frontcourt players who are ready or skilled enough to go up against the bigs in his rookie season.

Gasol is probably staying in Spain and signing with Barcelona.

I think sources have yet to be verified and confirmed.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/conflicting-reports-about-marc-gasol-signing-deal-surface/

If he's unavailable, I'd look at Whiteside (Though, his production is asking for a pay-day) or Aaron Baynes. My guess it'll be Baynes for MLE.

[jason bourne]

, and drafting a center like James Wiseman at No. 2 just isn't as sensible in today's NBA, particularly for an offense that's run through Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.

I don't know why people keep saying it's not sensible to draft a center.

It's B/R with an update that supports what I have been saying. Probably, Wiseman has dropped because people don't know much about him. Thus, Okongwu has risen up to #3 for the Hornets, so that seems sensible of drafting a center.

[wco81]

How much is the MLE?

If it isn't high enough, a team in Spain may easily top it, if not some other NBA team.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

How much is the MLE?

If it isn't high enough, a team in Spain may easily top it, if not some other NBA team.

Roughly over $6M. I think Gasol would probably take it, but all depends if he is indeed heading back to Spain.

[TB]

i think using MLE on Gasol would be an absolute disaster. We need 30mpg from whoever we use the MLE on. This would be Cousins all over again.