Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[DAWill1128]

Are they really going to trade Kuminga AND Moody/Hield for Monk? Thats absolutely losing the trade. Was bad enough who they've passed on over the years to keep Kuminga, now they are gonna include another good player?

I would rather keep Kuminga+Moody/Hield than get Monk.

[wco81]

I keep hearing the argument that Kuminga would be a distraction if kept on the team. I guess there's something to that. But does Lacob once again want to make a poor-to-mediocre trade with one of his 2nd timeline stars? The Poole trade wasted a future first. The Wiseman trade was embarrassing.

Maybe the outline of this trade can be expanded to include more teams where Monk can be rerouted for one or two players who meet a need for the team (how about some damn size!), especially since the trade, as configured, would require moving Hield or Moody. Now, if someone counters by saying no other team really wants to trade for Monk, then that speaks for itself about the Kings-Warriors proposed S&T.

Kings are trying to get rid of Monk, bad contract and all.

Warriors should be dismissing the proposal out of hand.

They're not offering any assets in return because the FRP is to eat Monk's contract.

This goes both ways… we are also trying to get rid of Kuminga.

Monk averaged 17 PPG last season, on over 31 MPG. But we're not looking for a player to fill that kind of role.

Curious about his catch and shoot percentages and how much he runs off ball. I think of him mostly as creating for himself and a little for others because he has an explosive first step and he can get up a little despite being only 6-3.

It would seem to be a poor fit if he can't play off ball in Kerr's offense.

OTOH, they let Buddy dribble a lot, too much last season. Monk would be better for that.

Buddy tries hard on defense not sure about Monk.

[CS707]

He lost injury and UFA protection. If you were him, do you want yourself to not get some protect for a short contract like that? And if he does good, he wants his money with player option... not team option with no control again.

Furthermore, Dubs wants him to wave the no trade clause. I saw on ESPN, maybe Slater, said that standard CBA on 1+1 is no trade clause.

So Dubs wants everything, and have JK lose all protection in the negotiation?

As of Friday, sounds like Dubs softening up from JK's threat to take QO?

A 1+1 with a player option is basically just a more expensive QO. Of course they want the team option.

What exactly is your ideal outcome here?

Not really. It is really a potential 2 years of JK seating on the bench or yo-yo-ing playing time if the low balling continues. And probably will since JK will not get to showcase his "skill". Remember? Kerr said JK is a loser, so why would any team give Dubs more back when he cannot even play?

Sounds like JK rather get less money for a year and get out of this mess with certainty. Hence the player option. Not saying he is a star. Just that he wants to not be in this situation. So money is not everything in life. That is what anti-JK fans trying to make a case of get the offer and shutup. So not really Noel situation here... that is unless Dubs willing to pay up for him to sit on Kerr's doghouse... which they aren't.

The ideal outcome is get whatever garbage that works in S&T and learn from Kerr and management stupidity they put themselves in.

Unless you like JK F#@% around for a year or 2 more.

Of course, JK isn’t happy with the situation, he has very little leverage to get what he wants. But from the Warriors’ perspective, a 1+1 deal with a player option essentially amounts to paying him more than the qualifying offer for one year without gaining any real advantage. In that scenario, the organization is better off having him play on the QO. If he wants a bigger payday next season, he needs to offer something in return. It may not be fair to him, but it would be dumb for the Warriors to agree to a deal that doesn’t serve the team’s interests.

[CS707]

If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.

Why?

[wco81]

If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.

Why?

No salary ballast and he walks away next summer for nothing.

[floppymoose]

All this news coverage feels ridiculous. Let the Kings offer 4/90, then match. This whole idea that GSW has no leverage seems wrong.

I keep hearing the argument that Kuminga would be a distraction if kept on the team.

If GS keeps him, he will start 41+ games. Too many of the others starters will get hurt or need rest. JK will only be a distraction until he starts. After that, he will either be a hero or a tank commander.

[whatisacenter]

If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.

Why?

Because he becomes an expiring $9M player with a NTC and then becomes an UFA.

They lose the player and salary slot for nothing.

[marthafokker]

A 1+1 with a player option is basically just a more expensive QO. Of course they want the team option.

What exactly is your ideal outcome here?

Not really. It is really a potential 2 years of JK seating on the bench or yo-yo-ing playing time if the low balling continues. And probably will since JK will not get to showcase his "skill". Remember? Kerr said JK is a loser, so why would any team give Dubs more back when he cannot even play?

Sounds like JK rather get less money for a year and get out of this mess with certainty. Hence the player option. Not saying he is a star. Just that he wants to not be in this situation. So money is not everything in life. That is what anti-JK fans trying to make a case of get the offer and shutup. So not really Noel situation here... that is unless Dubs willing to pay up for him to sit on Kerr's doghouse... which they aren't.

The ideal outcome is get whatever garbage that works in S&T and learn from Kerr and management stupidity they put themselves in.

Unless you like JK F#@% around for a year or 2 more.

Of course, JK isn’t happy with the situation, he has very little leverage to get what he wants. But from the Warriors’ perspective, a 1+1 deal with a player option essentially amounts to paying him more than the qualifying offer for one year without gaining any real advantage. In that scenario, the organization is better off having him play on the QO. If he wants a bigger payday next season, he needs to offer something in return. It may not be fair to him, but it would be dumb for the Warriors to agree to a deal that doesn’t serve the team’s interests.

That is the team's perspective.

JK's side is, take less money... most likely then asked to stay home, or mess it up even more to be ordered to stay home. Probably get a handshake deal with Sacto for following year.

So, does Dubs want that bluff? I don't.

[CS707]

If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.

Why?

No salary ballast and he walks away next summer for nothing.

It’s the least ideal scenario, but ironically, the alternative is the very deal the Warriors are actually offering him. The same one people are criticizing as unreasonable. Even on the qualifying offer, though, he’ll need to do what’s asked of him to maintain playing time. If that happens and he performs well, I’d guess any hard feelings fade quickly once he realizes the Warriors still have the ability to offer him the biggest contract next year.

[marthafokker]

Are they really going to trade Kuminga AND Moody/Hield for Monk? Thats absolutely losing the trade. Was bad enough who they've passed on over the years to keep Kuminga, now they are gonna include another good player?

I would rather keep Kuminga+Moody/Hield than get Monk.

Guess what make Kerr happy. I don't mind Kuminga+Moody gone. Those 2 are always in Kerr's doghouse. Hield is another of Kerr's unbenchable. Most likely Monk too.

[CS707]

Not really. It is really a potential 2 years of JK seating on the bench or yo-yo-ing playing time if the low balling continues. And probably will since JK will not get to showcase his "skill". Remember? Kerr said JK is a loser, so why would any team give Dubs more back when he cannot even play?

Sounds like JK rather get less money for a year and get out of this mess with certainty. Hence the player option. Not saying he is a star. Just that he wants to not be in this situation. So money is not everything in life. That is what anti-JK fans trying to make a case of get the offer and shutup. So not really Noel situation here... that is unless Dubs willing to pay up for him to sit on Kerr's doghouse... which they aren't.

The ideal outcome is get whatever garbage that works in S&T and learn from Kerr and management stupidity they put themselves in.

Unless you like JK F#@% around for a year or 2 more.

Of course, JK isn’t happy with the situation, he has very little leverage to get what he wants. But from the Warriors’ perspective, a 1+1 deal with a player option essentially amounts to paying him more than the qualifying offer for one year without gaining any real advantage. In that scenario, the organization is better off having him play on the QO. If he wants a bigger payday next season, he needs to offer something in return. It may not be fair to him, but it would be dumb for the Warriors to agree to a deal that doesn’t serve the team’s interests.

That is the team's perspective.

JK's side is, take less money... most likely then asked to stay home, or mess it up even more to be ordered to stay home. Probably get a handshake deal with Sacto for following year.

So, does Dubs want that bluff? I don't.

So what’s the alternative?

Give him a 1+1 with a player option just so we can have the right to trade him? Why would any team give up assets for him during the season when they can just wait and sign him as a FA? That also gives them the added benefit of continuing to evaluate his development without any risk. The trade offers aren’t likely to improve from what we're seeing now, and if he underperforms, he’ll just pick up the option and the Warriors are stuck with his salary for another year.

[marthafokker]

Of course, JK isn’t happy with the situation, he has very little leverage to get what he wants. But from the Warriors’ perspective, a 1+1 deal with a player option essentially amounts to paying him more than the qualifying offer for one year without gaining any real advantage. In that scenario, the organization is better off having him play on the QO. If he wants a bigger payday next season, he needs to offer something in return. It may not be fair to him, but it would be dumb for the Warriors to agree to a deal that doesn’t serve the team’s interests.

That is the team's perspective.

JK's side is, take less money... most likely then asked to stay home, or mess it up even more to be ordered to stay home. Probably get a handshake deal with Sacto for following year.

So, does Dubs want that bluff? I don't.

So what’s the alternative?

Give him a 1+1 with a player option just so we can have the right to trade him? Why would any team give up assets for him during the season when they can just wait and sign him as a FA? That also gives them the added benefit of continuing to evaluate his development without any risk. The trade offers aren’t likely to improve from what we're seeing now, and if he underperforms, he’ll just pick up the option and the Warriors are stuck with his salary for another year.

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

[CS707]

People are definitely reading too much into this wink wink deal with Sacrament too. If they valued him that much, they'd just avoid the risk and meet the Warriors trade demands now. Whatever interest they have is completely dependent on how he looks next season.

[CS707]

That is the team's perspective.

JK's side is, take less money... most likely then asked to stay home, or mess it up even more to be ordered to stay home. Probably get a handshake deal with Sacto for following year.

So, does Dubs want that bluff? I don't.

So what’s the alternative?

Give him a 1+1 with a player option just so we can have the right to trade him? Why would any team give up assets for him during the season when they can just wait and sign him as a FA? That also gives them the added benefit of continuing to evaluate his development without any risk. The trade offers aren’t likely to improve from what we're seeing now, and if he underperforms, he’ll just pick up the option and the Warriors are stuck with his salary for another year.

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

[whatisacenter]

So what’s the alternative?

Give him a 1+1 with a player option just so we can have the right to trade him? Why would any team give up assets for him during the season when they can just wait and sign him as a FA? That also gives them the added benefit of continuing to evaluate his development without any risk. The trade offers aren’t likely to improve from what we're seeing now, and if he underperforms, he’ll just pick up the option and the Warriors are stuck with his salary for another year.

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

They would have been better off not offering the QO and letting him be an UFA than sending him home while he eats up cap room.

[statsman]

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

They would have been better off not offering the QO and letting him be an UFA than sending him home while he eats up cap room.

That was my idea, if they could have convinced Beal to sign with them for a portion of the NTMLE rather than the $5.354M from the Clippers. The Warriors weren't interested enough at that point, and Beal had his heart set on the Clippers.

[marthafokker]

So what’s the alternative?

Give him a 1+1 with a player option just so we can have the right to trade him? Why would any team give up assets for him during the season when they can just wait and sign him as a FA? That also gives them the added benefit of continuing to evaluate his development without any risk. The trade offers aren’t likely to improve from what we're seeing now, and if he underperforms, he’ll just pick up the option and the Warriors are stuck with his salary for another year.

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

If JK signs the QO, JK is gone. No and if or but. And why would Dubs let him develop for another team? From seeing how Dubs giving him that offer, it is to only trade him. QO is death sentence for a trade, or any value... for that matter.

If he signs the QO, Dubs can do anything they want, including benching him. You think Kerr gives a F about JK? So I can see Dubs bluffing him into signing current offer. I can see JK be happy with QO too if Sacto has a handshake deal already. Unless he wins on more money.

[marthafokker]

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

They would have been better off not offering the QO and letting him be an UFA than sending him home while he eats up cap room.

Dubs F up, thinking they are Light-year in wisdom getting assets back.

[CS707]

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

They would have been better off not offering the QO and letting him be an UFA than sending him home while he eats up cap room.

It's not happening so it's a non-issue. I think the Warriors are fine with him on the QO if that's what it comes down to. IMO, it's not a forgone conclusion that he's leaving the following year anyway. A lot can happen in 12 months. If he does walk, all we're really out is some crappy Malik Monk like deal that nobody wants anyway.

[CS707]

I just stated it on another thread. I am starting to think Dubs want JK to sign the QO and call it quits. Have him sit at home and sign more vets with the money saved with JK's QO.

It is a losing situation for Dubs. That might be the best result for Curry's legacy.

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

If JK signs the QO, JK is gone. No and if or but. And why would Dubs let him develop for another team? From seeing how Dubs giving him that offer, it is to only trade him. QO is death sentence for a trade, or any value... for that matter.

If he signs the QO, Dubs can do anything they want, including benching him. You think Kerr gives a F about JK? So I can see Dubs bluffing him into signing current offer. I can see JK be happy with QO too if Sacto has a handshake deal already. Unless he wins on more money.

The Warriors want to compete next year and if JK is on the roster, they'll need him to contribute. One way or other, once the business part of this is concluded, everyone will move forward with preparing for the season. And yes, I do think Kerr cares about him. He may be stubborn with how he goes about it but I think Kerr would like nothing more than for JK to be successful.