2020 Draft Thread

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This guy is 7'....Wiseman....look at this stuff by a 7' player...
Are we REALLY wondering if this guy is a potential NBA stud?

I like Wiseman and I like the skill he is showing in his videos but he is going against 5'6" guys on an open court. There is no help defense and he doesn't have to make any reads...just rip and go. If he is available at 2 I would be cool taking a flyer but the more I think about it the more I see them trading the pick.

You know those guys are trainers right?

yes, of course. All I'm saying is that the skill set he is showing in workouts may not translate to game conditions. Every scrub in the NBA probably looks like a stud messing around in a gym. If you go to a NBA game early and watch players warming up before the game you see guys making 3 after 3 and then the game starts...

I like Wiseman and I would take him at 2 but I don't see him as a can't miss prospect. Hopefully the Warriors FO will be able to get a better look at the top prospects before the draft. This came out today. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2885662-addressing-the-biggest-questions-about-nba-draft-prospect-james-wiseman

[Scoots1994]

yes, of course. All I'm saying is that the skill set he is showing in workouts may not translate to game conditions. Every scrub in the NBA probably looks like a stud messing around in a gym. If you go to a NBA game early and watch players warming up before the game you see guys making 3 after 3 and then the game starts...

I like Wiseman and I would take him at 2 but I don't see him as a can't miss prospect. Hopefully the Warriors FO will be able to get a better look at the top prospects before the draft. This came out today. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2885662-addressing-the-biggest-questions-about-nba-draft-prospect-james-wiseman

Yes. Back in the day I got to watch Lakers practice and saw Shaq hit 20 free throws in a row, and saw Sean Rooks school him in one on one practice. I saw Harrison Barnes dominating trainers with his ball handling moves years later. What happens in an empty gym is information, but it's not conclusive when talking about movement or ball handling skills, and it's limited in what you can get about someone's shooting.

That said Wiseman looks interesting.

[B-King]

I would love to see Wiseman go train with Olajuwon too. It's fine that he is working on all round skills, but he needs to dominate low first.

[Mylie10]

I would love to see Wiseman go train with Olajuwon too. It's fine that he is working on all round skills, but he needs to dominate low first.

If you listen to the masses, he should be shooting threes every minute, or he should quit and play volley ball

[ShayDee]

Bob would have never picked Luka if this was the 2018 draft and Kerr would have never let Luka flourish with the Ball in his hands

[Mylie10]

Bob would have never picked Luka if this was the 2018 draft and Kerr would have never let Luka flourish with the Ball in his hands

He let Steph flourish with the ball in his hands.

Kerr has played with some of the best players of all time and has coached a few as well. I think he might recognize greatness once he sees them play in person.

[ShayDee]

Bob would have never picked Luka if this was the 2018 draft and Kerr would have never let Luka flourish with the Ball in his hands

He let Steph flourish with the ball in his hands.

Kerr has played with some of the best players of all time and has coached a few as well. I think he might recognize greatness once he sees them play in person.

In practices maybe but, Lukas game works in a way that, like Lebron and Harden shooters have to stand still around him, With the C only the one rolling/cutting . Kerr wants body movement, Luka sucks offball. Another reason Bob won't pick him. Kerr will never rebuild the offense for rookie Luka

[ShayDee]

Some juicy draft rumors from the Supes guy

Like has been reported everywhere, Silver wants fans back in the arena for next season to make up for lost revenue. So the odds for another bubble is very slim. Teams want to know the cap before making any moves, including drafting players because they want to use the picks to dump contracts. Teams also want the draft date moved back but Silver doesn't want to do that

Some non bubble teams wanted to be in the bubble to see the growth of their young guys. Teams like PHX, DEN, SAS, WAS were able to see growth in their guys and the ATL, CHI, NYK wanted in the bubble. Due to the bubble, weak FA class and draft class there might not be major trades this offseason (I prefer to ride it out with Wiggins + #2 pick for 1 year to evaluate our team imo)

MIN are a mystery because as we know they are trying to sell the team. GSW, we want to move down but if we can't we will pick between the BPA, we don't know that yet, we desperately want to workout these guys. It's between the obvious Edwards, Wiseman, Deni and Ball(to be expected). in my opinion they won't take Lamelo if we remain at 2. He said from 2 of his Bay sources Onyeka Okongwu is no longer on our board(To be expected), he said the team sees too many similarities between him and Chriss( Like this makes too much sense, I don't know why so many people here want him when we have a 4 times cheaper player in Chriss and Looney as back up with the same size, We need bigger Cs not smaller, We already have small ball Cs on the roster it would be silly to add more)

Hornets will take BPA whether it's Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Deni, Toppin, will not move up and are not pressured to do so. Want to keep all their future picks(expected). Bulls are leaning Towards international prospects at 4, Deni and Hayes. Seems that they won't move up? (imo). Also in my opinion I don't know if they pass on Ball if he drops to 4, Might be leaning towards they will.

Ball might actually be the MPJ of this draft, He might drop. Says teams have dug in deep with him. Worried about his jump shot, but he says he is working hard. Also worried about his dad (LMAO) and Lonzo's stint in NOP is driving teams away from him. He says Ball is still very high on Hawks board. Basically Teams do not want to trade up in this draft but he also says that it will be a cheap draft to trade up? I think the cost of trading up is going to be a 2021 pick and teams do not want to give that up for a weak draft, at least for now

CLE want wings that defend, so Okoro, Vassell and Patrick Williams. Nothing on DET. Knicks want a player that fits Thibs style. No news on if they want to move up(doubt they will move up in this draft giving away Mitch or their 21 picks). WAS looking for BPA. Also said they want a C and they are likely the team that will move up to get Wiseman, so watch out, might only give top 5-10 protected 21 and maybe a player?

I swear if we take a cheap deal from WAS I will fkn loose it. Needs to be 2 firsts minimum including a 21 first and maybe Troy Brown. PHX want a PG, so Cole, Haliburton, Hayes or Kira

Warriors are working hard to try and get workouts. also he says our players want Wiseman the most but he thinks the FO want Onyeka? lol also there were quotes from BOB that said the players deserve a say in the draft. So it would be funny when dudes get salty that Steph, Klay and Dray picked Wiseman. I also think the FO is split on Wiseman, I think that's why they are working hard to get the workouts. I think deep deep down they want Deni. Lukas success is probably tainting them. Deni is not a bad dude, it's just that Wiseman has a way higher ceiling imo.

I also fear that we might probably move down and all the guys we like will be gone, the only one left might be Patrick Willaims. So my prediction on draft day if we don't trade the pick is between Edwards, Wiseman, Deni and Patrick Willaims

[ILOVEIT]

This is so interesting....

Wiseman = Bagley? Just look at these highlights.

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Let's think of what happened in the Luka draft. Kings took a big super talented athletic center/pf over Luka.

Doesn't this Deni Advija vs Wiseman seem just like this same decision?

[Mylie10]

No

[ILOVEIT]

No

lol

[ClutchUp]

This is so interesting....

Wiseman = Bagley? Just look at these highlights.

Watch on YouTube

Let's think of what happened in the Luka draft. Kings took a big super talented athletic center/pf over Luka.

Doesn't this Deni Advija vs Wiseman seem just like this same decision?

Not at all.

[wco81]

Bagley might yet become a decent player if he can leave the injuries behind.

[vagelis]

There are some similarities with Bagley as for the athleticism but Wiseman is 2 inches taller and has 6 inches bigger wingspan. He also seems stronger than Bagley. So, he is bigger and he will be a better rim protector at least.
But if there is a chance that Ball is a new Doncic then Warriors should be more careful with the choice.
I like Ball very much too, but he plays in the same position with Curry. And we don't know how much he will improve as a shooter. But in general Ball is a special talent in my opinion.
This is a league of guards and wings but if you can draft the next best center in NBA you just do it. One more reason is if he plays in a position of need

[ShayDee]

There are some similarities with Bagley as for the athleticism but Wiseman is 2 inches taller and has 6 inches bigger wingspan. He also seems stronger than Bagley. So, he is bigger and he will be a better rim protector at least.
But if there is a chance that Ball is a new Doncic then Warriors should be more careful with the choice.
I like Ball very much too, but he plays in the same position with Curry. And we don't know how much he will improve as a shooter. But in general Ball is a special talent in my opinion.
This is a league of guards and wings but if you can draft the next best center in NBA you just do it. One more reason is if he plays in a position of need

I have more faith that Deni or Bolmaro is more of the next Doncic than Ball. Stay away from Ball Bob

[vagelis]

Yes, I agree that he will not be the next Doncic and I prefer Wiseman. But I do believe that Ball will be a very good pg.
The choice is on the Warriors and I think that they will make the best choice.

[The Maestro]

Some juicy draft rumors from the Supes guy

Like has been reported everywhere, Silver wants fans back in the arena for next season to make up for lost revenue. So the odds for another bubble is very slim. Teams want to know the cap before making any moves, including drafting players because they want to use the picks to dump contracts. Teams also want the draft date moved back but Silver doesn't want to do that

Some non bubble teams wanted to be in the bubble to see the growth of their young guys. Teams like PHX, DEN, SAS, WAS were able to see growth in their guys and the ATL, CHI, NYK wanted in the bubble. Due to the bubble, weak FA class and draft class there might not be major trades this offseason (I prefer to ride it out with Wiggins + #2 pick for 1 year to evaluate our team imo)

MIN are a mystery because as we know they are trying to sell the team. GSW, we want to move down but if we can't we will pick between the BPA, we don't know that yet, we desperately want to workout these guys. It's between the obvious Edwards, Wiseman, Deni and Ball(to be expected). in my opinion they won't take Lamelo if we remain at 2. He said from 2 of his Bay sources Onyeka Okongwu is no longer on our board(To be expected), he said the team sees too many similarities between him and Chriss( Like this makes too much sense, I don't know why so many people here want him when we have a 4 times cheaper player in Chriss and Looney as back up with the same size, We need bigger Cs not smaller, We already have small ball Cs on the roster it would be silly to add more)

Hornets will take BPA whether it's Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Deni, Toppin, will not move up and are not pressured to do so. Want to keep all their future picks(expected). Bulls are leaning Towards international prospects at 4, Deni and Hayes. Seems that they won't move up? (imo). Also in my opinion I don't know if they pass on Ball if he drops to 4, Might be leaning towards they will.

Ball might actually be the MPJ of this draft, He might drop. Says teams have dug in deep with him. Worried about his jump shot, but he says he is working hard. Also worried about his dad (LMAO) and Lonzo's stint in NOP is driving teams away from him. He says Ball is still very high on Hawks board. Basically Teams do not want to trade up in this draft but he also says that it will be a cheap draft to trade up? I think the cost of trading up is going to be a 2021 pick and teams do not want to give that up for a weak draft, at least for now

CLE want wings that defend, so Okoro, Vassell and Patrick Williams. Nothing on DET. Knicks want a player that fits Thibs style. No news on if they want to move up(doubt they will move up in this draft giving away Mitch or their 21 picks). WAS looking for BPA. Also said they want a C and they are likely the team that will move up to get Wiseman, so watch out, might only give top 5-10 protected 21 and maybe a player?

I swear if we take a cheap deal from WAS I will fkn loose it. Needs to be 2 firsts minimum including a 21 first and maybe Troy Brown. PHX want a PG, so Cole, Haliburton, Hayes or Kira

Warriors are working hard to try and get workouts. also he says our players want Wiseman the most but he thinks the FO want Onyeka? lol also there were quotes from BOB that said the players deserve a say in the draft. So it would be funny when dudes get salty that Steph, Klay and Dray picked Wiseman. I also think the FO is split on Wiseman, I think that's why they are working hard to get the workouts. I think deep deep down they want Deni. Lukas success is probably tainting them. Deni is not a bad dude, it's just that Wiseman has a way higher ceiling imo.

I also fear that we might probably move down and all the guys we like will be gone, the only one left might be Patrick Willaims. So my prediction on draft day if we don't trade the pick is between Edwards, Wiseman, Deni and Patrick Willaims

So he says Okongwu is off their board and they don’t want him because he’s like Chriss but then he thinks that’s who they want to draft? I’m confused.

[Phase 3]

I’m not interested in most of these trade down scenarios. This isn’t the NFL....quality>quantity.

If the Warriors are lucky enough to get the chance to take James Wiseman, TAKE HIM AND RUN. Seriously, don’t overthink this.

[lars_rosenberg]

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So he says Okongwu is off their board and they don’t want him because he’s like Chriss but then he thinks that’s who they want to draft? I’m confused.

I was confused as well

My take on LaMelo is that he's extremely talented, but he's a project.
If we don't find a trade deal and we want the BPA, he makes sense.
Him playing the same position as Curry isn't a problem at all because Ball will be ready to be a star only when Curry will be too old to carry the team. I think LaMelo needs 2-3 years of development to become a star, he's raw, but with his bbIQ, vision, quickness and size, he has the tools to be great. Also as he needs to improve his shot mechanincs and shot selection, where does he find better mentors than at GSW?
However we are in win-now move so I doubt he will be picked.

[TB]

Okongwu is really the perfect player for the Wolves. They are in an interesting scenario because the supposed top guys aren't great fits there based on the moves they have made.

Obviously you don't draft for need with the 1st pick, but this isn't a draft with an obvious top player. If i'm them, i'm trying to trade back with Hawks, Pistons, or Knicks and target Okongwu while picking up another asset or two.

In this scenario it should leave us with a pretty obvious choice of Wiseman if Edwards is gone, and Wiseman or Edwards if Ball is picked.