Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

[Crazy-Canuck]

I did a lazy job of phrasing it since i was using my phone while watching the knicks. If we got siakam using the CP3 contract, I think we still move off Wigs (or dray, I guess) the following summer. I just don't think we carry all of those contracts without having a year or two outside of the 2nd apron due to the future pick issues. In my hypothetical scenario, there is no wigs (or dray, if you'd prefer) and you'd have to pick between those options. I agree, siakam + wigs & dray would be better. Since we never used the cp3 contract, I'm not going to assume we'd just add another max deal to the most expensive roster in the league.

The difference between siakam and wiggins (69M) vs Jimmy (55M) + is about the MLE which was melton.

[vvoland]

I did a lazy job of phrasing it since i was using my phone while watching the knicks. If we got siakam using the CP3 contract, I think we still move off Wigs (or dray, I guess) the following summer. I just don't think we carry all of those contracts without having a year or two outside of the 2nd apron due to the future pick issues. In my hypothetical scenario, there is no wigs (or dray, if you'd prefer) and you'd have to pick between those options. I agree, siakam + wigs & dray would be better. Since we never used the cp3 contract, I'm not going to assume we'd just add another max deal to the most expensive roster in the league.

The difference between siakam and wiggins (69M) vs Jimmy (55M) + is about the MLE which was melton.

I'm not 100% sure we'd have the full non-taxpayer, but, for the sake of this hypothetical, let's pretend we do.

so Siakam + wigs or Jimmy + full NTPMLE (~15m/yr contract)? in that scenario, which do you prefer?

[Crazy-Canuck]

I did a lazy job of phrasing it since i was using my phone while watching the knicks. If we got siakam using the CP3 contract, I think we still move off Wigs (or dray, I guess) the following summer. I just don't think we carry all of those contracts without having a year or two outside of the 2nd apron due to the future pick issues. In my hypothetical scenario, there is no wigs (or dray, if you'd prefer) and you'd have to pick between those options. I agree, siakam + wigs & dray would be better. Since we never used the cp3 contract, I'm not going to assume we'd just add another max deal to the most expensive roster in the league.

The difference between siakam and wiggins (69M) vs Jimmy (55M) + is about the MLE which was melton.

I'm not 100% sure we'd have the full non-taxpayer, but, for the sake of this hypothetical, let's pretend we do.

so Siakam + wigs or Jimmy + full NTPMLE (~15m/yr contract)? in that scenario, which do you prefer?

I'd still take the siakam option. Siakam is still that Robin just as Jimmy is, except better fit. Now we add wiggins who is the 3rd option/3&D who can guard 1 through 4.

And we don't need to extend kuminga in this scenario.

[TB]

We didn’t miss out on getting Siakam because of some unwillingness to trade Kuminga. Siakam got traded to the Pacers because Siakam wanted to re-sign with the Pacers and be a part of what they were building around Hali. Which was absolutely the correct decision by Siakam.

It’s sort of like the OG saga…. we can’t just pretend the Raptors would have taken Kuminga instead of Quickley when every report is that they got the exact player they were after for OG.

[Onus]

We didn’t miss out on getting Siakam because of some unwillingness to trade Kuminga. Siakam got traded to the Pacers because Siakam wanted to re-sign with the Pacers and be a part of what they were building around Hali. Which was absolutely the correct decision by Siakam.

It’s sort of like the OG saga…. we can’t just pretend the Raptors would have taken Kuminga instead of Quickley when every report is that they got the exact player they were after for OG.

We were supposed to trade for OG a year earlier than when they traded for IQ.

[vvoland]

We didn’t miss out on getting Siakam because of some unwillingness to trade Kuminga. Siakam got traded to the Pacers because Siakam wanted to re-sign with the Pacers and be a part of what they were building around Hali. Which was absolutely the correct decision by Siakam.

It’s sort of like the OG saga…. we can’t just pretend the Raptors would have taken Kuminga instead of Quickley when every report is that they got the exact player they were after for OG.

We were supposed to trade for OG a year earlier than when they traded for IQ.

If it's anyone we missed out on in Tor, it was OG. Getting him a year earlier than Pascal, for a big less of a contract, would have been the right call. He would have fit in great and that's probably the move we should have made.

That said, his off-ball defense in this pacer series seems to be worse than I remember and Hart and Bridges are often looking at OG with more than 1 raised eyebrow and/or profanity.

[Jester_]

Parity era boring af to anyone else?

Pacers OKC finals....?

[whatisacenter]

Parity era boring af to anyone else?

Pacers OKC finals....?

I mean, both teams play a much more exciting brand of ball than Warriors team we just watched.

I hope the Dubs get younger and more athletic so they can play 4 quarters of high intensity ball.

[dphan33]

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[wco81]

Shams said KD and the Knicks had mutual interest at the trade deadline, though Knicks and Suns didn't come to an agreement on a deal.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280666/Kevin-Durant-Knicks-Had-Mutual-Interest-At-Trade-Deadline-With-Offer-Made

So KD had said he vetoed a trade to the Warriors because it would disrupt the season.

Turns out no, it was more about not wanting to come back to the Warriors. He would have accepted a trade to the Knicks, if the report is true, but not to the Warriors.

[cpower]

it's interesting that Pacers play the best ball with Toppin not Turner..yup the small ball still owns the league...we need shooting shooting and more shooting.

[Onus]

it's interesting that Pacers play the best ball with Toppin not Turner..yup the small ball still owns the league...we need shooting shooting and more shooting.

I’ve been thinking John Collins should be very similar to obi.

[superunknown]

it's interesting that Pacers play the best ball with Toppin not Turner..yup the small ball still owns the league...we need shooting shooting and more shooting.

the pacers have every bipeds on the floor with at least 12 points in his hands. literally every player can shoot the ball, guards, wings, frontcourt players.
that's why green is an issue. cannot afford to have on the floor a guy (making 25M) who is such a liability in shooting/scoring. every player on the floor must be able to shoot and be able to put points on the scoreboard consistently.

[cpower]

it's interesting that Pacers play the best ball with Toppin not Turner..yup the small ball still owns the league...we need shooting shooting and more shooting.

the pacers have every bipeds on the floor with at least 12 points in his hands. literally every player can shoot the ball, guards, wings, frontcourt players.
that's why green is an issue. cannot afford to have on the floor a guy (making 25M) who is such a liability in shooting/scoring. every player on the floor must be able to shoot and be able to put points on the scoreboard consistently.

no you have to balance the offense and defense though...there is no way we will have 6-7 guys in this roster that can create/shoot/score...so you will always have to trust the defense and Draymond is still an all time defender in the closing unit. Lets say we get CAM JOHNSON - Curry/Buddy(Podz)/Butler/Cam/Green will be able to go against anyone in the league.

[whatisacenter]

NBA finals have been pretty great!

[Onus]

NBA finals have been pretty great!

Rooting for the pacers. Really do like the way they play.

I really don't think we're that far off from the competition in this finals.

Curry/Podz/Buddy/Moody/JK/JB/Dray can all play in this series. Just need another big to eat some minutes and another poa defender (Looney and GP2 replacements) and that's a 9 man rotation.

[whatisacenter]

NBA finals have been pretty great!

Rooting for the pacers. Really do like the way they play.

I really don't think we're that far off from the competition in this finals.

Curry/Podz/Buddy/Moody/JK/JB/Dray can all play in this series. Just need another big to eat some minutes and another poa defender (Looney and GP2 replacements) and that's a 9 man rotation.

Rooting for Indy as well, I'm from indiana, but I like both squads.

I wish I agreed with you here. I can't get past the age issue on this roster and I think the GS ball handlers would struggle against the likes of Dort, Caruso, JWill, SGA, Nesmith, Nembhard, TJ, ETC.

I feel like both these teams have far more tools at their disposal to make adjustments in a 7 game series.

Are you worried at all that the 3 most important players on the roster will turn 38, 36 and 36 next season?

[Onus]

NBA finals have been pretty great!

Rooting for the pacers. Really do like the way they play.

I really don't think we're that far off from the competition in this finals.

Curry/Podz/Buddy/Moody/JK/JB/Dray can all play in this series. Just need another big to eat some minutes and another poa defender (Looney and GP2 replacements) and that's a 9 man rotation.

Rooting for Indy as well, I'm from indiana, but I like both squads.

I wish I agreed with you here. I can't get past the age issue on this roster and I think the GS ball handlers would struggle against the likes of Dort, Caruso, JWill, SGA, Nesmith, Nembhard, TJ, ETC.

I feel like both these teams have far more tools at their disposal to make adjustments in a 7 game series.

Are you worried at all that the 3 most important players on the roster will turn 38, 36 and 36 next season?

I think if we were able to get actual replacements for GP2 and Looney we'd be right there with them and we'd have a lot of answers.

I think Steph would still be the best player on the floor in this series. So no worries there. Think Jimmy can do what Pascal or Jdub is doing currently. Think Dray needs some help defensively throughout the game but in the last 5 minutes I think he'd be fine. I have much more concerns with Moody, Podz, and JK being able to hit shots and defend and Buddy just being a consistent shooter than I do about the old guys. Especially with how spaced out the finals games are and you might get a week off before the finals start. Conference finals may be harder since those were closer together.

[vvoland]

Rooting for the pacers. Really do like the way they play.

I really don't think we're that far off from the competition in this finals.

Curry/Podz/Buddy/Moody/JK/JB/Dray can all play in this series. Just need another big to eat some minutes and another poa defender (Looney and GP2 replacements) and that's a 9 man rotation.

Rooting for Indy as well, I'm from indiana, but I like both squads.

I wish I agreed with you here. I can't get past the age issue on this roster and I think the GS ball handlers would struggle against the likes of Dort, Caruso, JWill, SGA, Nesmith, Nembhard, TJ, ETC.

I feel like both these teams have far more tools at their disposal to make adjustments in a 7 game series.

Are you worried at all that the 3 most important players on the roster will turn 38, 36 and 36 next season?

I think if we were able to get actual replacements for GP2 and Looney we'd be right there with them and we'd have a lot of answers.

I think Steph would still be the best player on the floor in this series. So no worries there. Think Jimmy can do what Pascal or Jdub is doing currently. Think Dray needs some help defensively throughout the game but in the last 5 minutes I think he'd be fine. I have much more concerns with Moody, Podz, and JK being able to hit shots and defend and Buddy just being a consistent shooter than I do about the old guys. Especially with how spaced out the finals games are and you might get a week off before the finals start. Conference finals may be harder since those were closer together.

100% - exactly my thinking.

[wco81]

KD's top 3 choices for teams he want to go to are Heat, Rockets, Spurs.

None of those current teams are as good as the Warriors and if they trade for KD, they'd have to send out a lot of salaries to match his big salary, weakening them further.

That just tells you the Warriors shouldn't have bothered trying to acquire him at the deadline, he was going to prefer many teams over returning to GSW.