2021 Draft Thread

mos_def · Post #1981 » by **mos_def** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:45 am

DevinVassell wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Haven't watched all of this but Wagner is keeping his cards close to his chest and doesn't want to answer any questions about which teams he has talked to/worked out with. Apparently that's his "strategy"....

Also said he thinks he is getting close to 6'11 now.

Perfect Warrior fit. Just take the kid at 7.

I just said that too earlier in the day. His brother Mo is taller but that really doesn't matter but i know he was 6'5 just a couple of years ago. His wingspan keeps proportion so that good. It was like a dream when i thought i wished this german sprouted to Dirk Nowitski size

mos_def · Post #1982 » by **mos_def** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:52 am

Ill give my rankings from 7 to 14
7.Bouknight
8.Wagner
9. Sengun
10. Kai
11. Moody
12. Jalen johnson
13. Mitchell
14. Kispert

DevinVassell · Post #1983 » by **DevinVassell** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:10 am

Onus wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Haven't watched all of this but Wagner is keeping his cards close to his chest and doesn't want to answer any questions about which teams he has talked to/worked out with. Apparently that's his "strategy"....

Also said he thinks he is getting close to 6'11 now.

Perfect Warrior fit. Just take the kid at 7.

Haliburton also shut down workouts last year with a promise from the Kings and here Wagner from what I've seen hasn't worked out anywhere. I'd bet a lot money Wagner was promised at 9

It's not like he needs a promise though. He's not some fringe player deciding whether to stay in the draft or not. If the promise is at 9?.. working out to be potentially drafted at 7 or 8 can't hurt... for potentially better teams. Maybe a few draft positions doesn't worry him... or maybe he's' worried about injuring himself?.. or maybe the promise means he doesn't have to expend any unnecessary energy. Lazy bastard!

If I was a player, I wouldn't want the Kings franchise to pick me. That's for sure.

Onus · Post #1984 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:20 am

DevinVassell wrote:
Onus wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Haven't watched all of this but Wagner is keeping his cards close to his chest and doesn't want to answer any questions about which teams he has talked to/worked out with. Apparently that's his "strategy"....

Also said he thinks he is getting close to 6'11 now.

Perfect Warrior fit. Just take the kid at 7.

Haliburton also shut down workouts last year with a promise from the Kings and here Wagner from what I've seen hasn't worked out anywhere. I'd bet a lot money Wagner was promised at 9

It's not like he needs a promise though. He's not some fringe player deciding whether to stay in the draft or not. If the promise is at 9?.. working out to be potentially drafted at 7 or 8 can't hurt... for potentially better teams. Maybe a few draft positions doesn't worry him... or maybe he's' worried about injuring himself?.. or maybe the promise means he doesn't have to expend any unnecessary energy. Lazy bastard!

If I was a player, I wouldn't want the Kings franchise to pick me. That's for sure.

A Fox/Hali/Wagner/Barnes/Holmes starting lineup ain't bad. There's going to be a ton of minutes for him at the 3 or he can switch with Barnes to be the 4, they're both pretty interchangeable.

Situation and opportunity play such a huge role in a player's development. Yea they have to still put in the work, but if you don't fit it can really spiral your confidence and then you start working on other parts of your game to try to fit. Fit and opportunity play a much bigger role than people realize. Klay and Draymond are perfect examples of fit and opportunity. They could have gone to a different organization and be completely different players.

DevinVassell · Post #1985 » by **DevinVassell** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:32 am

^ Yeah fair call, still if he is as versatile/switchable as advertised... 2/3/4, there should still be plenty of minutes for him to develop and play here.

If he wants the Kings because they have promised him minutes... well, that's a bit soft.

Onus · Post #1986 » by **Onus** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:40 am

DevinVassell wrote:^ Yeah fair call, still if he is as versatile/switchable as advertised... 2/3/4, there should still be plenty of minutes for him to develop and play here.

If he wants the Kings because they have promised him minutes... well, that's a bit soft.

I don’t think he plays the 2, so he’s behind Wiggins and draymond. For the kings he’s starting. Orlando most likely takes Barnes so they have Barnes, okeke and Isaac. Yea the kings look enticing for him.

He would get minutes in Okc

clyde21 · Post #1987 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:44 am

Kings drafting Hali and Franz two drafts in a row?

two good picks in a row? whats happening up in norcal??? maybe we need to take notes about drafting modern nba players from the Kings now (cough myers cough).

GSWFan1994 · Post #1988 » by **GSWFan1994** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:55 am

clyde21 wrote:Kings drafting Hali and Franz two drafts in a row?

two good picks in a row? whats happening up in norcal??? maybe we need to take notes about drafting modern nba players from the Kings now (cough myers cough).

The Kings remodeled their FO since Divac left town. They are on the rise, just have to get better pieces in due time.

Nvnervous45 · Post #1989 » by **Nvnervous45** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:11 am

Franz Wagner doesn't move the needle enough for me to take at #7. I mean he's a good role player with his good court awareness and defense but to me he is a Jack of all trades master of none. Sure he's a decent rebounder but I'd expect more than 6 per game for a guy running 6'8 and his 3 point shot is just ok. In this sense, I think of him as a slightly better passing Harrison Barnes.
But the biggest caveat for me is his inability to create his own shot. With a draft this deep, and with guys like bouknight and Mitchell who can create they're own offense, I would rather have them at 7.

clyde21 · Post #1990 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:27 am

Bouknight or Mitchell over Franz and im throwin hands with Myers

AdonalFoyle4Prez · Post #1991 » by **AdonalFoyle4Prez** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:33 am

I'm clearly behind, but why are some of you hating on Bouknight? Is it his poor 3 pt %? Lack of passing ability/willingness? Maybe our oversaturation at the 2 position?

I do see an athletic player who can score in bunches and can get it defensively when he puts in the effort (At least, I'm sure Green and our defensive schemes will help untap that potential in him). Just needs to fine-tune his skills like any rookie, try to remain consistent and work on his game, and let the game slow down for him. Call me crazy, but I'd even put his potential/ceiling to be DWade if he can put it together.

shazam_guy · Post #1992 » by **shazam_guy** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:39 am

I didn't say Giddey wasn't any good -- I've barely seen anything of the guy. I just made a comment on what I was guessing about the media-driven agenda post-LaMelo. If Quazza thinks he'd be a good choice, that's a nice thing to know and I already feel better about him as a possibility.

I trust management more or less, unlike most fans. If they pick Giddey, I'll believe he can be good for us until something else happens. (That's not always true of course -- sometimes I have definite opinions and have to work to be patient. But if I don't know someone's game, I'll admit it.) So I don't need to be convinced on Giddey. If they pick him, I'll be happy to watch him play.

shazam_guy · Post #1993 » by **shazam_guy** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:40 am

The poor Kings are what the Warriors under Cohan used to be. Twenty years in the wilderness.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #1994 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:52 am

“I would fit in really well, obviously they have two great shooters next year again and probably the best point guard in the game,” Wagner said Monday during his pre-draft availability. “I think what they need, I think my versatility can help that team a lot. I think being able to defend multiple positions and also shoot the three well, I think is what’s going to help me stay on the floor or get on the court. I think I can read the game well and can play a free game, that’s what I would call it, and I think Golden State plays that very much.”

Post #1995 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:53 am

clyde21 wrote:Bouknight or Mitchell over Franz and im throwin hands with Myers

Iso skills remains, by far, the most overrated and overvalued part of the game.. and if any team's fans should know that by now, its ours. From the bad side (Maggette) to the good side (Curry), we exposed the idea of "playoff basketball" and dominated with a team game. Then after our 2nd best player goes down 2 years in a row, we're ready to dive headfirst back into the swamp with the rest of the league, all vying for one of the maybe 10-15 players in the league who can thrive in isoball and building around that

Nevermind that the Suns just went to the Finals in their first playoffs since 2009 playing team basketball and ditching the iso.. we need the iso players! And the same excuse is always used - the last shot, the playoffs, etc etc.. drafting people in the mid lotto to take one hypothetical shot? Its just aesthetically pleasing and its baffling that in 2021 we still have the same argument

Again - Andrew Wiggins was borderline elite in isolation last year. Steph Curry was elite. In total we took FIVE isolation shots per game, a full 1.2 less than James Harden did per game. We took 6.6 per game in KD's last year, 6.7 the year prior, and 5.7 his 1st year, which happened to be our highest win total and highest Net Rating. We peaked at 7.0 in 2015-16, but before you iso-heads get too excited about that being our 73 win season, the spike was from our bench, likely tied to us running no real offense in the 4th Q as we curb stomped the league

Post #1996 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:53 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:I'm clearly behind, but why are some of you hating on Bouknight? Is it his poor 3 pt %? Lack of passing ability/willingness? Maybe our oversaturation at the 2 position? I do see an athletic player who can score in bunches and can get it defensively when he puts in the effort (At least, I'm sure Green and our defensive schemes will help untap that potential in him).

So when does he put in that effort? Because he didn't in college. His lack of efficient scoring, his inability to pass, his willingness to take his own bad shot over passing the ball, his lack of defensive accumen.. the fact that the only skill of his you can count on is the one that's so incredibly overrated because you have to be elite at it for it to really matter in the NBA... stuff like that

HiRez · Post #1997 » by **HiRez** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:57 am

clyde21 wrote:Bouknight or Mitchell over Franz and im throwin hands with Myers

I really don't think they're taking Mitchell at 7, if they do it's gonna be at 14. Bouknight I'm not sure though. He's not high on my list for 7, but I can see the appeal, I see him as similar to Antman in that while he may be flawed and not terribly efficient, he he's a 3-level scorer who can put pressure on a defense like few others in his draft range can. As long as you can limit tunnel-vision and ball-hogging, he makes a defense react and that's good for everyone else.

clyde21 · Post #1998 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:58 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:I'm clearly behind, but why are some of you hating on Bouknight? Is it his poor 3 pt %? Lack of passing ability/willingness? Maybe our oversaturation at the 2 position? I do see an athletic player who can score in bunches and can get it defensively when he puts in the effort (At least, I'm sure Green and our defensive schemes will help untap that potential in him).

he's an undersized, ISO/shoot-first 2 guard with a terrible assist rate for his usage who doesn't really play much defense...the archetype is usually relegated to being bench scorers (like a Jordan Clarkson) in today's NBA...and...more importantly...how does this guy fit in our ball/player movement scheme? hint: he doesnt.

taking a guy like this in the lotto, especially over guys like Moody, Franz, Johnson, Kuminga, Giddey would be disastrous and more proof that Myers has absolutely no idea what has made the Warriors offense work all these years (see the Wiseman pick, or the Oubre/DLo trades).

he is by far the most overrated archetype in today's NBA...pretty scoring numbers, low impact, and a terrible fit in a system that stresses ball movement and off-ball actions like relocating/slashing/cutting/picking and screen setting.

honestly its hella weird having to explain the Warriors system to Warriors fans over and over again.

clyde21 · Post #1999 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:05 am

HiRez wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Bouknight or Mitchell over Franz and im throwin hands with Myers

I really don't think they're taking Mitchell at 7, if they do it's gonna be at 14. Bouknight I'm not sure though. He's not high on my list for 7, but I can see the appeal, I see him as similar to Antman in that while he may be flawed and not terribly efficient, he he's a 3-level scorer who can put pressure on a defense like few others in his draft range can. As long as you can limit tunnel-vision and ball-hogging, he makes a defense react and that's good for everyone else.

Antman would not be a great fit offensively here either, but Antman is a legit defender with real defensive tools to be able to to switch 1-3, and while Antman isn't a great passer, he showed way better passing tools/chops while being 3 years younger coming out as a prospect

Antman is more like D Mitch...meanwhile Bouknight is more like Clarkson, different archetypes/toolsets overall.

clyde21 · Post #2000 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:06 am

FNQ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Bouknight or Mitchell over Franz and im throwin hands with Myers

Iso skills remains, by far, the most overrated and overvalued part of the game.. and if any team's fans should know that by now, its ours.

this forum is the last place i thought i would have to keep repeating this but I guess not...was saying it last year before the Wiseman pick and I gotta keep saying it again now.

high-usage ISO or post players don't belong anywhere near this team, period.