If we give Barnes 20m+

[TylerTurban]

As for a Barnes replacement, I'd aim for Allen Crabbe, Marvin Williams, Moe Harkless or even Matt Barnes. I wouldn't pay any of these guys more than 14-15mil per.

At the rate teams are paying for nobodies, all the people you mentioned are going to get at least 14 million...and that is crazy

Not necessarily. Some guys are still getting reasonable contracts...Jefferson, Lin, Teletovic.

These guy are in that (or should be) in that ballpark. We'll see though...

[Bandito]

What if we were to give Barnes max and then trade him for somebody still on a rookie contract...like Nerlens Noel for example. Let Ezeli walk, keep as much of the rest of the core intact as possible, and pick up a cheaper replacement for HB in FA. Iguodala steps back into the starting 5. Wouldn't be cliff jump type material if possible.

But id agree that giving Barnes max and breaking up a lot of the team to keep him would be questionable. Can't just procede with the "KD plan" with Barnes in his place.

[turk3d]

It's reported that Philly is going to throw a max deal at HB. Match and then S &T for one of Philly's big men who they also reportedly want to trade. Voila! HB S & T for Noel or Okafor + fat TPE. Use the TPE to try and get Barnes replacement. Don't lose any of our core players. Still have Ezeli as a nice trade chip to go along with our TPE. Could work. We could evem S & T Mo for aomething as well.

[GS Warriors 1]

I would LOVE Barnes for Noel.

[HiRez]

What if we were to give Barnes max and then trade him for somebody still on a rookie contract

Yes, if the Warriors do in fact give Barnes a max/near-max contract, I would not assume they intend to keep him. I think they'd be doing it knowing that if other teams were throwing big offers at him, he'd still be a tradeable asset later on. Of course, you risk those teams using that money to sign someone else in-between and the longer you wait, the fewer teams there are who can still make a deal of that size.

Essentially it retains a trade as an option instead of losing it if you let Barnes sign elsewhere, right? But it's not without risk. Ending up in a situation where you actually must pay Harrison Barnes a max contract to play would be a disaster for this team. So whatever it is they have in mind, I hope they get these deals done fast. Hopefully the Durant situation will be resolved before they have to make a decision on matching a Barnes offer, that should help grease the wheels for planning out whatever chain of events needs to take place.

[watch1958]

It's reported that Philly is going to throw a max deal at HB. Match and then S &T for one of Philly's big men who they also reportedly want to trade. Voila! HB S & T for Noel or Okafor + fat TPE. Use the TPE to try and get Barnes replacement. Don't lose any of our core players. Still have Ezeli as a nice trade chip to go along with our TPE. Could work. We could evem S & T Mo for aomething as well.

Have to arrange the deal beforehand; can't do a S&T after he signs an offer sheet.

[statsman]

Have to arrange the deal beforehand; can't do a S&T after he signs an offer sheet.

I've wondered about that. Any idea where that is specified in the Salary Cap FAQ?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Suka Bongcic]

I agree. Our focus should be on improving our bigs. I don't see Barnes as a difficult player to replace.

Ok then. Who should we sign and for how much?

Ian Mahinmi or Pau Gasol would be atop my list.

As for a Barnes replacement, I'd aim for Allen Crabbe, Marvin Williams, Moe Harkless or even Matt Barnes. I wouldn't pay any of these guys more than 14-15mil per.

You want Ian mahinimi? Ok. Gasol I understand, but we can't pay gasol and crave or Marvin Williams. We can't afford both of them.

[azwfan]

Have to arrange the deal beforehand; can't do a S&T after he signs an offer sheet.

I've wondered about that. Any idea where that is specified in the Salary Cap FAQ?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Question 91:

91. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

Don't know how to link to the answer. But it is there.

Edit: Copy/paste works. haha

91. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?

There is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:

The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44).

Edit 2: There are more provisions, i only copied to the part referring to offer sheets.

[HiRez]

OK so you can't sign & trade a RFA who has signed an offer sheet (makes sense), but the Warriors could still match the offer and then trade him as a normal trade, right? What are the restrictions on the timing of that (must wait 30 days, for example)?

[Suka Bongcic]

I agree. Our focus should be on improving our bigs. I don't see Barnes as a difficult player to replace.

Ok then. Who should we sign and for how much?

Posted it a ton of times. If Durant says no, then Horford (max) - then Gasol.

We can't afford horford unless we get rid of bogut or iggy. Not a smart move IMO. Gasol might be had but then we'd have 0 money left to even sign ring chasers. We were one suspension away from back to back titles and the best season ever in history.....lets gut the team except steph Klay and dray.

[azwfan]

OK so you can't sign & trade a RFA who has signed an offer sheet (makes sense), but the Warriors could still match the offer and then trade him as a normal trade, right? What are the restrictions on the timing of that (must wait 30 days, for example)?

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91). A restricted free agent's resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player's prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

Edit: Forgot to mention that its from the FAQ. Just copy / pasted.

[statsman]

Nice. "The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44)." That'll do it.

So, if Barnes were to get an offer from the Sixers, as long as the two teams discussed possible S&T scenarios to keep the Warriors from matching *before* Barnes signed the offer sheet, then I think that's how that might work.

[azwfan]

Ok then. Who should we sign and for how much?

Posted it a ton of times. If Durant says no, then Horford (max) - then Gasol.

We can't afford horford unless we get rid of bogut or iggy. Not a smart move IMO. Gasol might be had but then we'd have 0 money left to even sign ring chasers. We were one suspension away from back to back titles and the best season ever in history.....lets gut the team except steph Klay and dray.

Gasol had signficantly better or the same season totals across the board as Ezeli and Bogut combined. Including minutes and half as many fouls. I love Bogut, but I would get rid of him to get Gasol.

[HiRez]

OK so you can't sign & trade a RFA who has signed an offer sheet (makes sense), but the Warriors could still match the offer and then trade him as a normal trade, right? What are the restrictions on the timing of that (must wait 30 days, for example)?

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91). A restricted free agent's resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player's prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

Edit: Forgot to mention that its from the FAQ. Just copy / pasted.

A year? Ugh. In that case I'm going to be super pissed if the Warriors match any offer for HB (unless they can agree in advance that he'll willingly accept a trade to Philly or wherever).

[azwfan]

OK so you can't sign & trade a RFA who has signed an offer sheet (makes sense), but the Warriors could still match the offer and then trade him as a normal trade, right? What are the restrictions on the timing of that (must wait 30 days, for example)?

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91). A restricted free agent's resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player's prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

Edit: Forgot to mention that its from the FAQ. Just copy / pasted.

A year? Ugh. In that case I'm going to be super pissed if the Warriors match any offer for HB (unless they can agree in advance that he'll willingly accept a trade to Philly or wherever).

I'll say that i'll be pissed too during the offseason. That said, if Barnes significantly improves (as unlikely as that may be) and/or we win the title next year... all is forgiven.

[azwfan]

Nice. "The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44)." That'll do it.

So, if Barnes were to get an offer from the Sixers, as long as the two teams discussed possible S&T scenarios to keep the Warriors from matching *before* Barnes signed the offer sheet, then I think that's how that might work.

Just to be sure. The way i read that and other snipits is that if he signs an offer sheet with Philly and we match, he is NOT under any circumstance being traded to Philly for 1 year. We need to workout a S&T prior to the offer sheet being submitted.

[statsman]

Nice. "The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44)." That'll do it.

So, if Barnes were to get an offer from the Sixers, as long as the two teams discussed possible S&T scenarios to keep the Warriors from matching *before* Barnes signed the offer sheet, then I think that's how that might work.

Just to be sure. The way i read that and other snipits is that if he signs an offer sheet with Philly and we match, he is NOT under any circumstance being traded to Philly for 1 year. We need to workout a S&T prior to the offer sheet being submitted.

Signed, not submitted. If unsigned, the offer is not binding. Just trying to be clear on the subject.

[azwfan]

Nice. "The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44)." That'll do it.

So, if Barnes were to get an offer from the Sixers, as long as the two teams discussed possible S&T scenarios to keep the Warriors from matching *before* Barnes signed the offer sheet, then I think that's how that might work.

Just to be sure. The way i read that and other snipits is that if he signs an offer sheet with Philly and we match, he is NOT under any circumstance being traded to Philly for 1 year. We need to workout a S&T prior to the offer sheet being submitted.

Signed, not submitted. If unsigned, the offer is not binding. Just trying to be clear on the subject.

Yes, you are correct.

[Bandito]

It's reported that Philly is going to throw a max deal at HB. Match and then S &T for one of Philly's big men who they also reportedly want to trade. Voila! HB S & T for Noel or Okafor + fat TPE. Use the TPE to try and get Barnes replacement. Don't lose any of our core players. Still have Ezeli as a nice trade chip to go along with our TPE. Could work. We could evem S & T Mo for aomething as well.

Have to arrange the deal beforehand; can't do a S&T after he signs an offer sheet.

Well hopefully they already have that arranged.