3 "minor" trade back scenarios I like

Dubbsy · Post #21 » by **Dubbsy** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:37 am

I love Robinson. Efficient, rim running, lob threat, and rim protector. He doesn't shoot bad shots. The combo of him and Vassell/Nesmith/Haliburton is better than Wiseman.

2 and JTA for #8, #27, and Robinson.

B-King · Post #22 » by **B-King** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:32 am

thinkingwarriors wrote:
Coxy wrote:
CaliWG wrote:
Collins seems like the only foundational piece of the guys mentioned. And a lead guard is far important than a rim running/rim protecting center like Mitchell if the Knicks view Lamelo as a future star. And Charlotte would essentially be trading #3 and their backup PG for their starting PG.

Mitchell Robinson blows. I watched him live in NYC late last year, and he looked average at best. Didn't even seem interested.

He wasn't even a little bit. None of Randle, Gibson, Portis or Morris wanted to be there and the coach needed to win games so I can't imagine a more unpleasant situation for a young guy like Robinson to try to emerge in. That's 4 veterans gunning for front court minutes not doing a thing to help a youngster develop and a coach that prioritizes winning today over developing talent and winning tomorrow. And I can't imagine worse personalities than 3 of those 4 guys, all of whom are trying to impress enough to get traded. Just a miserable situation that couldn't be any more different than what he would find as a Warrior. I would be interested in a trade with NYK that got us Robinson, #8 and a lightly protected 1st.

Yeah, the Knicks are just an absolute mess and Thibs is going to lean on Gibson for meaningful minutes instead of having Robinson on the floor to develop. Just maybe Knicks would include Robinson to trade up, but we aren't getting another pick other than #8 overall. They would only do this for Ball and if Minny takes LeMelo its no dice.

superunknown · Post #23 » by **superunknown** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:40 am

DAWill1128 wrote:Trading back with the Knicks spare parts reminds me of the Sprewell 3 for 1 deal to the Knicks. Didn't Jerry West say you never trade a dollar for change in basketball, or something along those lines?

spree of course was out of the bay after that incident with carlesimo (that piece of s***), but man, starks, mills and terry cummings didn't worth a fingernail of spree.

Mylie10 · Post #24 » by **Mylie10** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:02 pm

Little Digger wrote:I turned on Edwards after last night when he admitted he sucked in most of his college games

I really like the kid now..who else does that? Pure honesty ..Let’s get him !

I love you....you are the best kind of bi-polar

Mylie10 · Post #25 » by **Mylie10** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:09 pm

Coxy wrote:
DAWill1128 wrote:Trading back with the Knicks spare parts reminds me of the Sprewell 3 for 1 deal to the Knicks. Didn't Jerry West say you never trade a dollar for change in basketball, or something along those lines?

Correct.

Trading back is silly, especially for any of New York's muck.

Take Wiseman, profit.

The only way I’d feel good about trading back is if Minny takes Wiseman.

But I don’t want to go back much further than 8. Because I’d want Vassell or P. Will, or Okoro, or Avdija at that point.

Little Digger · Post #26 » by **Little Digger** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:45 pm

Wiseman off the board? ..trade back for Okoro please..

marthafokker · Post #27 » by **marthafokker** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:05 pm

Would love that NYK trade. But doubt NYK would trade anything thinking they sit on Gold already.

Anyone remember what they offered for Russell? Yuck!

ShayDee · Post #28 » by **ShayDee** » Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:14 pm

Little Digger wrote:Wiseman off the board? ..trade back for Okoro please..

Sorry but I won't accept any more Draymond Greens in the draft, Take Bey/Vassell instead

HiRez · Post #29 » by **HiRez** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:56 am

Watching the HOU-OKC game I'm realizing just how tenuous our PG situation is. They have a ridiculous 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Schröder, all of those guys can light up the scoreboard and pass. Meanwhile we really don't have a single competent backup for Steph, sorry Poole and Bowman. Maybe this isn't the draft to trade back for a PG, but we really need to address it somehow. In a trade down scenario, for example the Knicks #8, I would initially be temped by the likes of Okongwu, Okoro, Toppin, or Vassell. But I wonder if Halliburton/Hayes makes more sense.

vetmin · Post #30 » by **vetmin** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:38 am

HiRez wrote:Watching the HOU-OKC game I'm realizing just how tenuous our PG situation is. They have a ridiculous 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Schröder, all of those guys can light up the scoreboard and pass. Meanwhile we really don't have a single competent backup for Steph, sorry Poole and Bowman. Maybe this isn't the draft to trade back for a PG, but we really need to address it somehow. In a trade down scenario, for example the Knicks #8, I would initially be temped by the likes of Okongwu, Okoro, Toppin, or Vassell. But I wonder if Halliburton/Hayes makes more sense.

Totally agreed on our PG situation. I know fans want to believe in their guys but whenever I see Poole or Bowman in the 2nd slot on any depth chart I cringe. Perhaps there are trade down scenarios that could net us a solid ball handler. I honestly kinda want Lonzo, if the Pels might want to trade up. Problem is balancing the deal, since we’d be trading way down to 13. Maybe we get Josh Hart too and additional picks. Other targets might be White or Murray from SAS, or even Ricky Rubio into the TPE, though Im not so into that.

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Warriors Analyst · Post #31 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:53 pm

HiRez wrote:Watching the HOU-OKC game I'm realizing just how tenuous our PG situation is. They have a ridiculous 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Schröder, all of those guys can light up the scoreboard and pass. Meanwhile we really don't have a single competent backup for Steph, sorry Poole and Bowman. Maybe this isn't the draft to trade back for a PG, but we really need to address it somehow. In a trade down scenario, for example the Knicks #8, I would initially be temped by the likes of Okongwu, Okoro, Toppin, or Vassell. But I wonder if Halliburton/Hayes makes more sense.

I am oconcrend about that too but I don't view it through a positional spectrum as much as I do skills. We need more competent ball handlers/shot creators, regardless of position. The bigger the better, I'd argue. I think Wiggins will have the ball in his hands a fair amount next year to mitigate his spacing issues and I suspect he'll run mixed bench lineups filled with shooters. Same with Draymond, but he can't really creat efor himself. That's a big reason Oubre is appealing to me, he can create his own shot.

Austin Rivers has been mentioned as an FA target, I also think he's worth pursuing. In TPE scenarios with the pick swap, Kennard from Detroit would be a great get, but he has health issues. Hayes and Advija could be an interesting draft picks because of their ability to create at their size. Haliburton I've grown less high on because he doesn't really get to the hoop or create off the dribble. I think Poole will be better than expected next year, but I don't see him being able to win us a game off the bench come playoff time. We need at least one or two more guys who can create their shot and put pressure on defenses. The KD era Warriors never had a guy off the bench that could win us a game. Pre-KD, Mo Buckets could do that and Barbosa could periodically chip in 15.

Mylie10 · Post #32 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Don’t worry guys Dragic is gonna take the MLE

Scoots1994 · Post #33 » by **Scoots1994** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:14 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Don’t worry guys Dragic is gonna take the MLE

That would be nice.

Today you are sounding like The Maestro with your "certainty"

Mylie10 · Post #34 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:48 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Don’t worry guys Dragic is gonna take the MLE

That would be nice.

Today you are sounding like The Maestro with your "certainty"

Oh...no certainty at all.

The only thing I’m certain about is Wiseman. And not that we’ll take him, just that I’m confident he’s going to be a great player.

All of the other possible moves we can make are so up in the air, no one can be certain.

Scoots1994 · Post #35 » by **Scoots1994** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:14 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Don’t worry guys Dragic is gonna take the MLE

That would be nice.

Today you are sounding like The Maestro with your "certainty"

Oh...no certainty at all.

The only thing I’m certain about is Wiseman. And not that we’ll take him, just that I’m confident he’s going to be a great player.

All of the other possible moves we can make are so up in the air, no one can be certain.

I certainly wouldn't say it makes sense to be certain Wiseman will be "great" ... that's a heck of a mountain to climb. I do think he has the best potential for the Warriors.

HiRez · Post #36 » by **HiRez** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:20 pm

The only things that can Wiseman back from being great are BBIQ and motor/passion/work ethic (or injury of course). Not saying he doesn't have those but I don't think we really know yet. He has all the physical tools. The history of the NBA is litered with guys who should have been great but weren't.

xdrta+ · Post #37 » by **xdrta+** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:26 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
That would be nice.

Today you are sounding like The Maestro with your "certainty"

Oh...no certainty at all.

The only thing I’m certain about is Wiseman. And not that we’ll take him, just that I’m confident he’s going to be a great player.

All of the other possible moves we can make are so up in the air, no one can be certain.

I certainly wouldn't say it makes sense to be certain Wiseman will be "great" ... that's a heck of a mountain to climb. I do think he has the best potential for the Warriors.

I don't think there's been a "sure thing" for greatness since Lebron, not even Zion. But all things considered, the Warrior lineup, trade possibilities, salary cap... everything taken together, I agree Wiseman is the best choice. Let's face it, Giannis isn't coming, and Embiid? I'm not sold. I'd rather roll the dice with Wiseman.

Mylie10 · Post #38 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:36 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
That would be nice.

Today you are sounding like The Maestro with your "certainty"

Oh...no certainty at all.

The only thing I’m certain about is Wiseman. And not that we’ll take him, just that I’m confident he’s going to be a great player.

All of the other possible moves we can make are so up in the air, no one can be certain.

I certainly wouldn't say it makes sense to be certain Wiseman will be "great" ... that's a heck of a mountain to climb. I do think he has the best potential for the Warriors.

Barring injury of course, I’m certain. You don’t need to be.

Scoots1994 · Post #39 » by **Scoots1994** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:26 pm

HiRez wrote:The only things that can Wiseman back from being great are BBIQ and motor/passion/work ethic (or injury of course). Not saying he doesn't have those but I don't think we really know yet. He has all the physical tools. The history of the NBA is litered with guys who should have been great but weren't.

And also will to keep banging inside or will he look to save his body and play softer.

Scoots1994 · Post #40 » by **Scoots1994** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:27 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
Oh...no certainty at all.

The only thing I’m certain about is Wiseman. And not that we’ll take him, just that I’m confident he’s going to be a great player.

All of the other possible moves we can make are so up in the air, no one can be certain.

I certainly wouldn't say it makes sense to be certain Wiseman will be "great" ... that's a heck of a mountain to climb. I do think he has the best potential for the Warriors.

Barring injury of course, I’m certain. You don’t need to be.

Okay, I'll try to remember this so if he isn't "great" I can throw it in your face every time you make another proclamation