2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Mylie10]

I love watching everyone flail around.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

This post is delusional. In the last three to five years Ayton, Towns, Sabonis, Collins, Jaren Jackson Jr., Adebayo, and Markkanen were all more developed than Wiseman. A rookie center commanding double teams is laughable. Embiid was the last guy who came in as a rookie who commanded that much attention and that's because he was a legitimate back to the basket beast. Wiseman is not that. He's an insanely athletic lob threat with little feel for the game who will probably struggle to play more than 20 minutes a game without fouling out.

Speaking of delusional ... Embiid demanded double teams as a rookie? He played 0 games in his first 2 years in the NBA ... was the double teaming happening in the training room?

Other than that, I agree that Wiseman is going to have limited use as a rook.

Yeah, he’s going to be limited/green. But, would think he’d only get opportunities when it comes down to matchup opportunities (Facing against 4s and 5s who can’t space the floor) and garbage minutes. Otherwise, yeah, he won’t get a lot of run at all this rookie season.

[cdubbz]

I was high on Wiseman, but there are now more question marks and things missing from Wiseman’s game (Or things he’s lacking for today’s modern 5s):

-Can he really shoot 3s? No perimeter game (Of the games we’ve seen. Practices don’t count).
-Doesn’t pass the ball or have natural feel or willingness to pass.
-Low-post game (offense) is raw / basic
-Prone to foul?
-High bball IQ?
-Intangibles (e.g., great work ethic, aggressiveness in-game, winning mentality, mental toughness)?

At this point, he’s more like DeAndre Jordan until he can showcase or demystify any unknowns about his game. Otherwise, we can get plenty of those type Cs in the FA pool.

k

I agree. But hey a DeAndre Jordan type for this team is good too. If wiseman doesn’t develop the handles or perimeter game that he sometimes showcases in clips —he will be an athletic big that can still do what this team has lacked.

[northoakland510]

I prefer to roll the dice on the 7 footer who can jump out the gym. i will be disappointed if Bob turns the #2 pick into a vet and another role player.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was high on Wiseman, but there are now more question marks and things missing from Wiseman’s game (Or things he’s lacking for today’s modern 5s):

-Can he really shoot 3s? No perimeter game (Of the games we’ve seen. Practices don’t count).
-Doesn’t pass the ball or have natural feel or willingness to pass.
-Low-post game (offense) is raw / basic
-Prone to foul?
-High bball IQ?
-Intangibles (e.g., great work ethic, aggressiveness in-game, winning mentality, mental toughness)?

At this point, he’s more like DeAndre Jordan until he can showcase or demystify any unknowns about his game. Otherwise, we can get plenty of those type Cs in the FA pool.

k

I agree. But hey a DeAndre Jordan type for this team is good too. If wiseman doesn’t develop the handles or perimeter game that he sometimes showcases in clips —he will be an athletic big that can still do what this team has lacked.

I’m assessing his current game to today’s style of b-ball. Obviously he’s still young and has room to grow, but are Dubs willing to wait for him to mature? They want players who can help now.

If we draft him, he’ll simply be our rim protector, rebounder, and rim-runner (And hopefully for steady improvement on his game). I think a couple peeps expect more from him on here and aren’t sold on him as being that good or close to even a franchise-type player at #2.

[Little Digger]

From what I’ve seen Wiseman is not much of a rim protector ..Yes he has great length but he’s slow to react and he’s not tough..Also his athleticism is overrated IMO..He’s not a high flyer and his lateral quickness is suspect

I could change my opinion by 10:37 AM

[Mylie10]

From what I’ve seen Wiseman is not much of a rim protector ..Yes he has great length but he’s slow to react and he’s not tough..Also his athleticism is overrated IMO..He’s not a high flyer and his lateral quickness is suspect

I could change my opinion by 10:37 AM

Lol!!

I’m done trying to convince. I know how I feel and what I know. I’m sticking my track record out on a limb, and I’m comfortable with it.

I See future All Star, and a big man who understands where the league is going. Also extremely coachable.

[northoakland510]

What is this? Is there some sort of vendetta against Wiseman on this board? Why are people being ignorant and just deciding to discount everything because he is 7ft tall? I really don't get it. Bring up negatives, sure but those were 2 years ago or at least 1 year ago. Are we really going to ignore any sort of improvement or hard work he has put in since then? For sure it would be silly to assume Edwards/Ball have not also made improvements to their game, but if we are taking each prospect from December, Wiseman had the least negatives out of the 3 and will help us the most.

They all have about the same upside, no Ball or Edwards do not have more than Wiseman, each of these 3 guys have alot of work to do. Ball cannot even be on the floor at the same time with Steph, Edwards can get to his spot but he cannot just make the shot, if until this point he is having problems, then those issues will be difficult to fix unless you put in work. None of these guys play any defense, but Wiseman at least showed effort. Wiseman is also the most intelligent out of the 3 and is extremely coachable, multiple scouts and analysts have all said it, you can even see it when he talks and presents himself.

People talk about no perimeter game, did Karl-Anthony Towns show any of that Game in Kentucky? What if Wiseman's coach told him to just stay around the paint for rebounds and finishing? What if his coach told him to act like a traditional C at a high level, which he did by the way. Coaches do that all the time, you never really get to see the whole package of prospects because college coaches limit them. In high school, Wiseman was taking jumpers everywhere, was handling the ball everywhere, that is far far far away from being traditional, it shows he has more skill than most people his size and foundation of other skills to work with. You think he has not been in the gym since he left college working on any shot or ball handling he had before? I really hate how every just wants to ignore all this. I have sai this before, but why was Wisemant he #1 prospect coming out of highschool? Do you think it was because he could only get rebounds and dunk on people? IF that was the case, why wasn't Precious or Onyeka ranked after him, why does everyone want to ignore any sort of skill he has

Man I just don't get, If you do not like the kid just say so. IF you think he is not the pick at 2, or even 1, then give reasons why Lamelo or Ball should be taken ahead of him. If you do not want any of the 3, then it's fine to admit it and it's ok to want to trade down from 2, but if we are going down that route, then the compensation should fit the value of a #2 pick, not any nonsense involving bad or old players in a pick swap. It just doesn't work that way. Deni is not worth the #2 or 3 pick, let the recency bias not blind you

We are on the same page. There is no way I pick Ball or Edwards over Wiseman.

[SF_Warriors]

From what I’ve seen Wiseman is not much of a rim protector ..Yes he has great length but he’s slow to react and he’s not tough..Also his athleticism is overrated IMO..He’s not a high flyer and his lateral quickness is suspect

I could change my opinion by 10:37 AM

Lol!!

I’m done trying to convince. I know how I feel and what I know. I’m sticking my track record out on a limb, and I’m comfortable with it.

I See future All Star, and a big man who understands where the league is going. Also extremely coachable.

I have been yearning to see this team with an above average center let alone an all star caliber one. Javale had a resurgence when he was here and I feel wiseman is a better player in many respects. Our best center in the past two decades was an almost broken down andrew bogut.

I dont care what people say, bigs are still important in this league. Look at miami with Bam, nuggets with Jokic, and Lakers with AD. Not saying wiseman will be at that level, but he doesnt have to be to be an impact player for this team. And unless you have an elite wing situation like the clips or celts or warriors of the past, having quality front court players are usually important for championship contending teams. Of course, if the warriors feel different about another player in the draft then by all means.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Wiseman gets the benefit for being young so he can develop good habits. If he were 22 or older, then there are definitely red flags in terms of growth and expectations for what kind of player he'll develop into. For now, I'd say I'd still go with Wiseman just on potential alone (Though, part of me still wants a wing defender or versatile wing). If you're thinking he'll become a do-it-all kind of 5 (e.g., Jokic, KAT, Embiid), I wouldn't bank on it.

If we draft him, my expectations for him and his role on the team starting off is to play like a raw Andre Drummond/Hassan whiteside right off the bat: rebound, block/alter shots, and rim-run. And gradually improve each season on areas of his game:

-Develop a reliable jumper outside to 15-18 ft and eventually 3 point territory.. consistently.
-Develop more of an offensive awareness by making the extra pass to the open man or cutter (On the block or top of the key). But, that will come along as he gets integrated into the motion offense and grow comfortable under Green's guidance.

If, cliche as it is, Wiseman puts in the work to become the best 5 for us, then that's your guys' making of a potential All-star #2 pick

[northoakland510]

From what I’ve seen Wiseman is not much of a rim protector ..Yes he has great length but he’s slow to react and he’s not tough..Also his athleticism is overrated IMO..He’s not a high flyer and his lateral quickness is suspect

I could change my opinion by 10:37 AM

Lol!!

I’m done trying to convince. I know how I feel and what I know. I’m sticking my track record out on a limb, and I’m comfortable with it.

I See future All Star, and a big man who understands where the league is going. Also extremely coachable.

I have been yearning to see this team with an above average center let alone an all star caliber one. Javale had a resurgence when he was here and I feel wiseman is a better player in many respects. Our best center in the past two decades was an almost broken down andrew bogut.

I dont care what people say, bigs are still important in this league. Look at miami with Bam, nuggets with Jokic, and Lakers with AD. Not saying wiseman will be at that level, but he doesnt have to be to be an impact player for this team. And unless you have an elite wing situation like the clips or celts or warriors of the past, having quality front court players are usually important for championship contending teams. Of course, if the warriors feel different about another player in the draft then by all means.

People act is if the team played small ball because they wanted to. The team played small because they didn't have a big who was good enough to keep on the court. McGee with his limited skillset showed us what length and athleticism could do for this team.

[Little Digger]

I want length and athleticism..what does that have to do with not liking Wiseman’s competiveness ?

[SF_Warriors]

Lol!!

I’m done trying to convince. I know how I feel and what I know. I’m sticking my track record out on a limb, and I’m comfortable with it.

I See future All Star, and a big man who understands where the league is going. Also extremely coachable.

I have been yearning to see this team with an above average center let alone an all star caliber one. Javale had a resurgence when he was here and I feel wiseman is a better player in many respects. Our best center in the past two decades was an almost broken down andrew bogut.

I dont care what people say, bigs are still important in this league. Look at miami with Bam, nuggets with Jokic, and Lakers with AD. Not saying wiseman will be at that level, but he doesnt have to be to be an impact player for this team. And unless you have an elite wing situation like the clips or celts or warriors of the past, having quality front court players are usually important for championship contending teams. Of course, if the warriors feel different about another player in the draft then by all means.

People act is if the team played small ball because they wanted to. The team played small because they didn't have a big who was good enough to keep on the court. McGee with his limited skillset showed us what length and athleticism could do for this team.

Javale looked like an absolute terror at times in a warriors uni. Ive always felt that perimeter spacing combined with vertical spacing is a recipe for success.

[ShayDee]

People act is if the team played small ball because they wanted to. The team played small because they didn't have a big who was good enough to keep on the court. McGee with his limited skillset showed us what length and athleticism could do for this team.

Small ball also worked to an extent because we had 3 people that could almost switch to all 5 positions. Dray, Iguodala and KD while KD being a capable rim protector and defender against the bigger wings like Kawhi and Lebron and some Cs. We do not have 2 of those players and Draymond is 3 years older so how is small ball going to work with this unproven new iteration of the team? I guess we would find out if Deni is the pick

[northoakland510]

I have been yearning to see this team with an above average center let alone an all star caliber one. Javale had a resurgence when he was here and I feel wiseman is a better player in many respects. Our best center in the past two decades was an almost broken down andrew bogut.

I dont care what people say, bigs are still important in this league. Look at miami with Bam, nuggets with Jokic, and Lakers with AD. Not saying wiseman will be at that level, but he doesnt have to be to be an impact player for this team. And unless you have an elite wing situation like the clips or celts or warriors of the past, having quality front court players are usually important for championship contending teams. Of course, if the warriors feel different about another player in the draft then by all means.

People act is if the team played small ball because they wanted to. The team played small because they didn't have a big who was good enough to keep on the court. McGee with his limited skillset showed us what length and athleticism could do for this team.

Javale looked like an absolute terror at times in a warriors uni.

I still wonder why Kerr didn't like Mcgee.

[Little Digger]

Drafting for need = a fools plan

[SF_Warriors]

People act is if the team played small ball because they wanted to. The team played small because they didn't have a big who was good enough to keep on the court. McGee with his limited skillset showed us what length and athleticism could do for this team.

Javale looked like an absolute terror at times in a warriors uni.

I still wonder why Kerr didn't like Mcgee.

Mcgee had a ton of flaws..inconsistent defensively, low bball iq, no jumper or post moves to speak of, somewhat low motor. He was just an athletic freak with decent touch around the basket. He filled a hole, nothing more, but was really effective in limited minutes.

[ShayDee]

Drafting for need = a fools plan

Very true, but when that need is clearly the best prospect then it would be silly to not take him regardless of however the league is heading

[Little Digger]

I’ve seen Wiseman play in 4 games..two in high school and 2 at Memphis..what the heck have you guys been watching that makes you think he can come in and compete ? Workout videos? Interviews? Scouting reports? What is it?

He may turn out to be a decent center in 2 to 6 years..we can trade for or sign one of those for next season

[ShayDee]

I’ve seen Wiseman play in 4 games..two in high school and 2 at Memphis..what the heck have you guys been watching that makes you think he can come in and compete ? Workout videos? Interviews? Scouting reports? What is it?

No single freshman is going to come in and be ready to compete, it's why I've been advocating to getting Desmond Bane on this team