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Re: Kerr: “Right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough 

Post#21 » by TB » Thu Oct 8, 2020 5:30 pm

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Albo wrote:Okongwu for me also fits the bill. (Size of Bam Adebayo)

Yep. I like Okongwu because while he gives up some size compared to Wiseman, he's more mobile and can play either PF or C and we know the Warriors like players who can slide up and down. And he'd still add to our frontline size overall. I love players with a high motor and this guy has one that doesn't quit, he and Draymond would be all over everything inside.

Not saying at this point they should take him over Wiseman, but I can see him being an appealing alternative.

On the other hand, neither Wiseman nor Okongwu has much of an outside shot to speak of and I have to think that's a negative for the Warriors.


One big difference with their shooting though: Wiseman jumper looks good, very Bosh like. It's going to extend to 3point range with ease. Okongwu shot (while I like his overall game, IQ, fluidity more) is ugly. He needs serious mechanical changes to extend it even to mid-range.
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Re: Kerr: “Right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough 

Post#22 » by HiRez » Thu Oct 8, 2020 5:33 pm

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HiRez wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in that this is a smokescreen and means they're looking for guards.


Literally the 4th post in the thread.

Crap, I missed that! Haha
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Post#23 » by Mylie10 » Thu Oct 8, 2020 6:27 pm

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Scoots1994 wrote:
HiRez wrote:Waiting for someone to chime in that this is a smokescreen and means they're looking for guards.


Literally the 4th post in the thread.

Crap, I missed that! Haha


I read a guy on another forum that said Kerrs comments were a slight to Wiggins lol
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Post#24 » by Little Digger » Thu Oct 8, 2020 6:39 pm

Dwight Howard please
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Post#25 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Oct 8, 2020 10:23 pm

Little Digger wrote:Dwight Howard please


No thanks.
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Post#26 » by Mylie10 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:11 am

Tim Kawakami said today that based on his interview with Steve Kerr he thinks the Warriors draft Wiseman.

Partly based on Kerrs thought process on needs, and partly Tim’s opinion on who they should take on that criteria.
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Post#27 » by Little Digger » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:29 am

Mylie10 wrote:Tim Kawakami said today that based on his interview with Steve Kerr he thinks the Warriors draft Wiseman.

Partly based on Kerrs thought process on needs, and partly Tim’s opinion on who they should take on that criteria.
well there goes any chance of drafting Wiseman
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Post#28 » by Mylie10 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:40 am

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Mylie10 wrote:Tim Kawakami said today that based on his interview with Steve Kerr he thinks the Warriors draft Wiseman.

Partly based on Kerrs thought process on needs, and partly Tim’s opinion on who they should take on that criteria.
well there goes any chance of drafting Wiseman
So sorry M10 :nonono:


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Post#29 » by Mylie10 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:00 am

I feel more and more like the Warriors are gonna work something with Phoenix. There are to many guys on their roster that would work with us. For instance....

Rubio
Baynes
Oubre

And then the young wings they have like Bridges and Johnson. Try Jerome is another guy that would fit the Warriors.

I have a feeling the Warriors see Bridges as a guy they might covet. I know the Suns like him, but the Villanova Jay Wright Kerr Paschall connection might have legs.

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Post#30 » by Quazza » Fri Oct 9, 2020 10:07 am

Mylie10 wrote:I feel more and more like the Warriors are gonna work something with Phoenix. There are to many guys on their roster that would work with us. For instance....

Rubio
Baynes
Oubre

And then the young wings they have like Bridges and Johnson. Try Jerome is another guy that would fit the Warriors.

I have a feeling the Warriors see Bridges as a guy they might covet. I know the Suns like him, but the Villanova Jay Wright Kerr Paschall connection might have legs.

Suns Salaries:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html


Would love to land Bridges.
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Re: Kerr: “Right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough 

Post#31 » by Zvaart » Fri Oct 9, 2020 11:32 am

Just draft Wiseman if Minny doesn't trade the pick and see where it goes.
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Post#32 » by tarantism » Fri Oct 9, 2020 1:14 pm

I love the idea of getting Bridges from Phoenix.

I'm also seeing a rumor that it'll be a trade down with the Knicks with their pick + Mitchell Robinson coming back. That fits in with Kerr's comments here, as we would land a long, athletic center and still have good draft capitol.

I think 5-10 is the sweet spot in this draft.

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Re: Kerr: “Right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough 

Post#33 » by northoakland510 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 3:33 pm

tarantism wrote:I love the idea of getting Bridges from Phoenix.

I'm also seeing a rumor that it'll be a trade down with the Knicks with their pick + Mitchell Robinson coming back. That fits in with Kerr's comments here, as we would land a long, athletic center and still have good draft capitol.

I think 5-10 is the sweet spot in this draft.

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I'll consider that type of trade if Wiseman isn't there at #2. Might even try to get Dennis Smith Jr. involved.
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Post#34 » by CaliWG » Fri Oct 9, 2020 4:16 pm

One piece of Kerr's draft analysis that is getting ignored is that he said if there's a guy with elite skill, they would have to take a look at him. I only see two guys in this draft who could potentially fall into this category: Lamelo Ball as a lead guard/creator & Aaron Nesmith as a shooter. For a franchise that reached its zenith by going the route of highly skilled over highly athletic, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Warriors focus on finding a player with an elite skill.

https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-kerr-discusses-type-player-205555929.html

And I don't think the Warriors want to deal with the Ball baggage. The skill over athleticism move would be to send #2 to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson and then draft Nesmith at #8. In Nesmith they could be getting the first piece in the next generation of Splash Brothers. His ability to move off the ball is a perfect fit for Kerr's system and he is an absolute knock down shooter with the size & athleticism to be a versatile wing defender.
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Re: Kerr: “Right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough 

Post#35 » by tarantism » Fri Oct 9, 2020 4:26 pm

CaliWG wrote:One piece of Kerr's draft analysis that is getting ignored is that he said if there's a guy with elite skill, they would have to take a look at him. I only see two guys in this draft who could potentially fall into this category: Lamelo Ball as a lead guard/creator & Aaron Nesmith as a shooter. For a franchise that reached its zenith by going the route of highly skilled over highly athletic, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Warriors focus on finding a player with an elite skill.

https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-kerr-discusses-type-player-205555929.html

And I don't think the Warriors want to deal with the Ball baggage. The skill over athleticism move would be to send #2 to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson and then draft Nesmith at #8. In Nesmith they could be getting the first piece in the next generation of Splash Brothers. His ability to move off the ball is a perfect fit for Kerr's system and he is an absolute knock down shooter with the size & athleticism to be a versatile wing defender.


I took that comment to mean more of a culmination of several elite traits showing in a single player, not individual players with a single elite skill, or even two. Those guys are role players. Kerr's comment struck me as a long way to say "If there is an otherworldly talent then you have to take them". To me, Nesmith and Ball have singularly elite skills - though Nesmith is a better defender.
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Post#36 » by tarantism » Fri Oct 9, 2020 4:35 pm

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tarantism wrote:I love the idea of getting Bridges from Phoenix.

I'm also seeing a rumor that it'll be a trade down with the Knicks with their pick + Mitchell Robinson coming back. That fits in with Kerr's comments here, as we would land a long, athletic center and still have good draft capitol.

I think 5-10 is the sweet spot in this draft.

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I'll consider that type of trade if Wiseman isn't there at #2. Might even try to get Dennis Smith Jr. involved.


The more I watch the Knicks, the more I feel as if the only guys on that roster worth considering are (in order) Barrett, Knox and Mitchell. Hard to see them trading Barrett + #8 just for #2 in a class without bonified star power, and I think we should keep a top 10 pick this year. This leaves us with Knox or Mitchell. They both fit needs and mesh well with our stars so it just comes down to who you like better because they are both middling prospects. Knox might be my choice just because he has a higher ceiling and can play either the 3 or 4 position in our offense. Both fit the "long and athletic" bill, with Knox being more of a scorer and Mitchell more of a rangy defensive type.

No thanks from me on DSJ. I don't love is BBall IQ and he's a gunner. Best I could see for him here is a microwave scorer off of the bench and there are other players I'd rather give those minutes to - though I do think we need to add another playmaking guard this offseason. ideally somebody who can defend and has good size, a Satoransky type. Personally I want us to grab Hayes in the draft, though I know I am the minority there.
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Post#37 » by Mylie10 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 4:36 pm

HERE’S Kerr’s Quote:

“This is the first time we've had to really examine our own team and the league. It's been a really, really healthy process for us."

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So is there a type of player the Warriors want?

"You're really trying to dig aren't you (laughter)?" Kerr jokingly answered. "Well, we learned a lot from our own journey over the last five years. You got a guy like Steph Curry -- who has other-worldly skill -- and if there's somebody like that out there, you gotta consider him no matter what.

"If there's nobody with that kind of skill, then you really gotta look at the playoffs and think, 'What's winning? What's winning at the highest level?' And these days it's not really any secret -- versatility, switchability, guys who can guard multiple positions and stand up to the physicality.

"Those are all the important things. So those are the characteristics and qualities we're looking for."

So who can handle physicality? Okoro, Wiseman, Okungwu, Williams, Edwards, maybe Toppin. Reed. And of course some big centers down the list a bit like Carrey and Azubuike.

Versatility/Switchability? Okoro defensively. Vassell, Haliburton, Williams, Reed, Edwards.

I know I’m forgetting guys, I’m going off the top of my head.

But when he said what’s winning at the highest level and u can’t ignore the length of the Lakers. And they are in our division. To me Wiseman is hands down the best recipe against the Lakers and Jokic, and Gobert, and Ayton, and Nurkic, and the Clippers length, etc.
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Post#38 » by tarantism » Fri Oct 9, 2020 4:51 pm

Mylie10 wrote:But when he said what’s winning at the highest level and u can’t ignore the length of the Lakers. And they are in our division. To me Wiseman is hands down the best recipe against the Lakers and Jokic, and Gobert, and Ayton, and Nurkic, and the Clippers length, etc.


Its a compelling case, and I have to admit that I have come around on the Wiseman selection. He isn't my favorite prospect, but he does fit very well on paper and should be a contributor no matter what with us. Its a low risk/high reward selection. There is the added bonus that if Wiseman hits and Giannis becomes available, he could potentially be the centerpiece prospect going back to Milwaukee in a trade. That's true of any pick in this draft, but Wiseman makes sense in particular.

I've seen some rumors that seem to indicate that we are at least considering trading down, too. So the company line could be read as projecting to other teams what we are interested in player-wise. That might just be me wishing, though.
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Post#39 » by Mylie10 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 5:17 pm

Everything is on the table for the Warriors.....until it isn’t.
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Post#40 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Oct 9, 2020 5:46 pm

CaliWG wrote:One piece of Kerr's draft analysis that is getting ignored is that he said if there's a guy with elite skill, they would have to take a look at him. I only see two guys in this draft who could potentially fall into this category: Lamelo Ball as a lead guard/creator & Aaron Nesmith as a shooter. For a franchise that reached its zenith by going the route of highly skilled over highly athletic, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Warriors focus on finding a player with an elite skill.

https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-kerr-discusses-type-player-205555929.html

And I don't think the Warriors want to deal with the Ball baggage. The skill over athleticism move would be to send #2 to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson and then draft Nesmith at #8. In Nesmith they could be getting the first piece in the next generation of Splash Brothers. His ability to move off the ball is a perfect fit for Kerr's system and he is an absolute knock down shooter with the size & athleticism to be a versatile wing defender.


I've been saying all along that there were 2 guys in this draft with elite skills, but I had Ball and Okoro for his defense.

The sad thing is that literally nothing has changed since the regular season stopped. If the Warriors love a player they should try to trade down to where they are guaranteed they can get him, then take him. If they can't find that trade then just take that player at #2. If they don't love any players then it gets more complicated and they have to balance their player rating against the trades they can get and what they can get at the resulting trade pick number.

I can find about 15 players I'd really like to be on the Warriors ... at this point I'm past trying to guess what will happen, and we don't have any more data than we did then either.

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