Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach

[Impuniti]

I dont think that benching Klay solves our problems and we have a lot of them.

1. Our whole offence depends from 36y old Curry. Second option on offence is one of worst in NBA. In reality we dont have such as second option, they are all role players.
2. Our defence depends on 34y old undersized big who cannot control owns actions.
3. Kerr couldn't develop any young player in 10 years except.... 20min player Looney and this is hurts the most.

2022 Chip was nice, but we weren't the best team. GSW were the healthiest at the right time and the most experienced team, but for long run we were doomed to mediocrity with how constructed. And there is not much to blame, no one will destroy the championship team. GSW has holes everywhere - size, age, defence, young players, leaders, coaching system... It is difficult to patch so many holes with small patches. We need a big move, but I don't think it's possible...We don't have much value except Curry.

How would that not help? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I don't think anyone here believes that Klay is solving every issue, but he's terrible. It would absolutely improve the team if he plays less, doesn't finish most games unless he's hot and doesn't start. A significantly minimized role and micromanaged because he does too many dumb things on the court.

Of course there are so many problems, that doesn't change that Klay should be coached differently and Kerr has been trash this season at doing his job. The obvious answer is that you use his expiring deal, Joku and grab a proper quality player. Is that Lavine? I don't know but something needs to happen right now. Not in Feb, right now. I also don't know why you're minimizing the 22' team. The injury bug issue could be used for 80% of championship teams.

2021 and 2023 champions were injured, 64wins team **** the bed against Doncic and 2nd best WC team lost the best player. And we were 5min away 90-94 from 1-3 in the series against BOS (Thanks to Curry for 10pts and 1ast in last 5 min). We weren't title favorite at the beginning in 2022 or 2023. GSW played elite basketball for two months in Nov/Dec (2021) and in 2022 PO in 4y period (10.2019 - 11.2023). Thats not dominance, its exception!

Those are not valid points. The 64 teams lost because they weren't mentally strong enough. If they were, then they would have been good enough to play in the finals. But they weren't. Boston that season had a historical defense, they were an elite team. Also the team being 5 minutes away from being down 3-1 but didn't because they played better.. what is your actual point here? Series get decided in the last 5 minutes of games all the time.

Who cares if you're favorite or not? The 15' Warriors weren't favorites and won 67 and the championship. You say they didn't play enough, to me they peaked at the right time. You don't need to win a championship in a particular way. That doesn't devalue what they did. No team was able to take the Warriors to 7 that championship.

The 21 champions would not even make the ECF if wait for.. their opponents didn't break down. Still needed an OT in game 7 to beat a team that missed 1/3 best players and the injured ghost who was 2/3. Completely dominated them until they went out in the first two games. The 23 team is nowhere near as elite as the 22 even with their guys. They got two elite role players in that summer and there's no indication they would have beat the Warriors. The champions that have played one of the most pathetic, historically weak runs in playoff history just a few months ago (one of the worst SRS opponents in NBA history). Should we look at 2020, where 2 of the 3 best players in the world were both injured? How about 2019 where Klay, KD, Shaun, Looney and Iggy all were injured in the NBA finals, 5 of the 8 main rotation playoff players in the finals?

Warriors were the clear cut best team of 2022 and deserved their ring. You sound spoiled because you watched the Warriors win two 67-win seasons on top of a 16-1 playoff run, extremely rare to only-ever-happened-once scenarios.

[DaHef]

Why was TJD inactive the last game. Was he injured in Santa Cruz?

[whatisacenter]

Why was TJD inactive the last game. Was he injured in Santa Cruz?

Doesn't sound serious.

Jackson-Davis (lower leg) is questionable for Monday's game against the Rockets.

Jackson-Davis missed Saturday's game against the Thunder due to left lower leg soreness, and it's unclear whether he'll be available Monday. However, his status shouldn't significantly impact the Warriors' rotation.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/warriors-trayce-jackson-davis-questionable-vs-houston/

[Warriorfan]

It's a players league. If you are missing the top 15 player all time in Curry and DPOY level Green you are missing a lot that the team was built around

[WarriorGM]

Lots of heat directed at Kerr and most of the time I'm with it. In this case though, he should be given a little more room. Some of the things he is not doing are ostensibly so obvious that if he isn't doing it it must mean he is a total moron. He still isn't doing it though and while I don't think Kerr is the sharpest guy in the room I don't think he is a complete idiot either. Kerr is doing what he's doing for a reason and if he wraps it up soon this episode will be forgotten.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I dont think that benching Klay solves our problems and we have a lot of them.

1. Our whole offence depends from 36y old Curry. Second option on offence is one of worst in NBA. In reality we dont have such as second option, they are all role players.
2. Our defence depends on 34y old undersized big who cannot control owns actions.
3. Kerr couldn't develop any young player in 10 years except.... 20min player Looney and this is hurts the most.

2022 Chip was nice, but we weren't the best team. GSW were the healthiest at the right time and the most experienced team, but for long run we were doomed to mediocrity with how constructed. And there is not much to blame, no one will destroy the championship team. GSW has holes everywhere - size, age, defence, young players, leaders, coaching system... It is difficult to patch so many holes with small patches. We need a big move, but I don't think it's possible...We don't have much value except Curry.

The 3rd point is really telling. I understand most of the draft selections have been terrible but from 2017 up until now there have been many iterations of young players on this team and not a single one of them made it till their 2nd contract? Also currently, Moody getting very little minutes while being decent and talks of Kuminga as trade bait? Development has really sucked

You don't really see young players develop during any dynasties. The only exceptions I can think of are Kawhi and Rodman. Probably all the more reason we should have traded the #2 pick instead of taking a boom or bust big with nothing but AAU and 3 college games under his belt. There may not have been any good offers though.

[CDM_Stats]

The roster is the biggest problem.. having a coach that's never had to really get blood from a stone is tough. He's kinda like Klay at PF.. he's never done it, there have been no signs that he will do it, but the team needs it to happen (OK that last one was a stretch, but you get it)

[SpreeChokeJob]

The Warrior’s biggest problem was letting a lot of the executive talent leave. I don’t know what Lacob was thinking. Maybe he thought he and his sons could fill in the gaps. I mean how hard could it be. I can’t believe they had the secret sauce and let the recipe go to the competition. For what reason: ego or to save a few million dollars each year to put in their pockets. Major snafu. There’s only one thing saving this franchise from being a great time out and it’s not Fitzgerald or Kerr. Hint: starts with a C and ends in Y. It’s no wonder they were selling part of ownership.

[xdrta+]

The Warrior’s biggest problem was letting a lot of the executive talent leave. I don’t know what Lacob was thinking. Maybe he thought he and his sons could fill in the gaps. I mean how hard could it be. I can’t believe they had the secret sauce and let the recipe go to the competition. For what reason: ego or to save a few million dollars each year to put in their pockets. Major snafu. There’s only one thing saving this franchise from being a great time out and it’s not Fitzgerald or Kerr. Hint: starts with a C and ends in Y. It’s no wonder they were selling part of ownership.

Maybe the executive talent wanted to leave.

[SpreeChokeJob]

The Warrior’s biggest problem was letting a lot of the executive talent leave. I don’t know what Lacob was thinking. Maybe he thought he and his sons could fill in the gaps. I mean how hard could it be. I can’t believe they had the secret sauce and let the recipe go to the competition. For what reason: ego or to save a few million dollars each year to put in their pockets. Major snafu. There’s only one thing saving this franchise from being a great time out and it’s not Fitzgerald or Kerr. Hint: starts with a C and ends in Y. It’s no wonder they were selling part of ownership.

Maybe the executive talent wanted to leave.

I’m sure they wanted to for better promotion or responsibilities. It’s up to the owner to convince them to $$$tay. I’m not sure he cared to. It’s very common for venture capitalists to discard or demote the founders for their own people once the company starts growing.

[floppymoose]

30 boards out of of 30 have threads like this.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I disagree with Kerr on some things, but he's still 100x smarter than me or anyone else on this board.

[DonaldSanders]

30 boards out of of 30 have threads like this.

True.

I have yet to see any young players perform better elsewhere after leaving the Warriors, yet I constantly hear how 'bad' Steve is at developing players. Then I have seen players not play up to their potential before coming here (Wiggins). And while I have some criticisms of Steve, it doesn't mean Steve isn't a great coach. The roster, above all, is the issue.

[CDM_Stats]

30 boards out of of 30 have threads like this.

True.

I have yet to see any young players perform better elsewhere after leaving the Warriors, yet I constantly hear how 'bad' Steve is at developing players. Then I have seen players not play up to their potential before coming here (Wiggins). And while I have some criticisms of Steve, it doesn't mean Steve isn't a great coach. The roster, above all, is the issue.

I dont disagree with the end results, but I see a soapbox opportunity and I'm not passing it up

The bolded is a commonly used argument, and I dont agree with it for 2 reasons - 1, no team is going to develop a player like the initially drafting team. Take Wiseman - now I know he's likely not going to develop because there's a fire/motivation issue, but there's no way in hell the Pistons will give him the same shake the Warriors did. He's a lotto ticket to them, not a lotto pick. 2, I think the bolded message is combining 2 different thoughts. When a player leaves a place where he's struggling and he then succeeds, is it development? Or can it be escaping misuse? Wiggins, for example.. did he develop here, or did we take him from a team that was always going to ask for too much from him? Did GP2 heavily regress in Portland, or did they just misuse him?

This will be the same for Poole, though I wouldnt have held out hope anyways.. the Wizards are not likely to develop him, even with the massive contract. The time for development was when he was coming up in the system, but injuries/depth issues forced Kerr's hand.. Poole is clearly one of those guys who plays to the level of people around him. 2 years ago, title team, Poole looked good. Last year, playoff team with obvious flaws, he looked bad. This year, lotto team with minimal talent, he's a joke

So I dont think that the lack of development/success with people leaving is indicative of Kerr's developmental skills.. but I do think that the lack of consistency in his style and lack of actual development from players in the Warriors system does reflect heavily on that. Even if the players drafted are fatally flawed, that Wiseman/Kuminga have shown little progress in the 5:5 game.. that Moody clearly turtles up when playing with certain players.. those are things that should at least trend upwards, but they haven't.. I think the biggest developments in Kerr's Warrior career were Looney's rebounding and Klay's on-ball defense, and that was almost a decade ago. Just not much to pick from

[DonaldSanders]

I dont disagree with the end results, but I see a soapbox opportunity and I'm not passing it up

The bolded is a commonly used argument, and I dont agree with it for 2 reasons - 1, no team is going to develop a player like the initially drafting team. Take Wiseman - now I know he's likely not going to develop because there's a fire/motivation issue, but there's no way in hell the Pistons will give him the same shake the Warriors did. He's a lotto ticket to them, not a lotto pick. 2, I think the bolded message is combining 2 different thoughts. When a player leaves a place where he's struggling and he then succeeds, is it development? Or can it be escaping misuse? Wiggins, for example.. did he develop here, or did we take him from a team that was always going to ask for too much from him? Did GP2 heavily regress in Portland, or did they just misuse him?

Wiseman played double the minutes w/ the Pistons last season and even started over a high draft pick in Duren who showed more promise. It was the highest MPG of his career, albeit only 24 games. That seems like more of a chance -- and they saw what they needed to see and now he is buried. I think they wondered if a different system or change of pace would help, and when it was clear it didn't, they didn't think investing time in development made sense.

GPII was misused, so how is that not another point for Kerr? If the coach uses a player right, that's good coaching. Teams could not find a use for GPII until we found one, and after we did another team still didn't do it right. Maybe that's not development of GPII but he does put a lot of players in positions to succeed.

This will be the same for Poole, though I wouldnt have held out hope anyways.. the Wizards are not likely to develop him, even with the massive contract. The time for development was when he was coming up in the system, but injuries/depth issues forced Kerr's hand.. Poole is clearly one of those guys who plays to the level of people around him. 2 years ago, title team, Poole looked good. Last year, playoff team with obvious flaws, he looked bad. This year, lotto team with minimal talent, he's a joke

So I dont think that the lack of development/success with people leaving is indicative of Kerr's developmental skills.. but I do think that the lack of consistency in his style and lack of actual development from players in the Warriors system does reflect heavily on that. Even if the players drafted are fatally flawed, that Wiseman/Kuminga have shown little progress in the 5:5 game.. that Moody clearly turtles up when playing with certain players.. those are things that should at least trend upwards, but they haven't.. I think the biggest developments in Kerr's Warrior career were Looney's rebounding and Klay's on-ball defense, and that was almost a decade ago. Just not much to pick from

It's not proof of Steve's development skills, but there is also no evidence/example player that they left the Warriors and blossomed. If someone is 'bad' at developing, at least some young players should leave and look better. Maybe he's not good, but I also don't see any proof he is bad. So I am more pushing back at the "Steve is bad at developing young players" than trying to prove he is good at it.

[Old_Blue]

30 boards out of of 30 have threads like this.

Every season - including championship seasons - it's the same ungrateful whining about how Kerr needs to go. Interesting how the posters inevitably fail to suggest a replacement. Or, are these same posters suggesting they themselves could do a better job? Seriously, we're talking about a guy with NINE rings as a player and coach.

[DonaldSanders]

Every season - including championship seasons - it's the same ungrateful whining about how Kerr needs to go. Interesting how the posters inevitably fail to suggest a replacement. Or, are these same posters suggesting they themselves could do a better job? Seriously, we're talking about a guy with NINE rings as a player and coach.

Yup, I vividly remember the chatter on the board in the game threads, so much complaining about Kerr rotations and then... we won the chip

Seriously if you go back and look at those old threads you'd think Steve was some kind of bum. It ended up being one of his best coaching seasons, finding a way to revamp the Warriors into another title team while bringing back a player late in the season that hadn't played in 2 years.

[CDM_Stats]

Wiseman played double the minutes w/ the Pistons last season and even started over a high draft pick in Duren who showed more promise. It was the highest MPG of his career, albeit only 24 games. That seems like more of a chance -- and they saw what they needed to see and now he is buried. I think they wondered if a different system or change of pace would help, and when it was clear it didn't, they didn't think investing time in development made sense.

GPII was misused, so how is that not another point for Kerr? If the coach uses a player right, that's good coaching. Teams could not find a use for GPII until we found one, and after we did another team still didn't do it right. Maybe that's not development of GPII but he does put a lot of players in positions to succeed.

PT is not development, nor is strategy. Development is at an individual level, and the players on the Warriors have not developed under Kerr. GP2 did not develop here, we found a fit for him. The Pistons didnt attempt to develop Wiseman, they gave him minutes after acquiring him to see what he was, and have already removed him from the rotation when the games actually mattered to them again. The Warriors gave him extended chances, plays drawn up for him, way more looks in the post - all in games that actually mattered to them. Thats the exact point I'm trying to make.. the Pistons did not in any way/shape/form give Wiseman the same opportunities, and that's standard for young players who are dealt or not extended

It's not proof of Steve's development skills, but there is also no evidence/example player that they left the Warriors and blossomed. If someone is 'bad' at developing, at least some young players should leave and look better. Maybe he's not good, but I also don't see any proof he is bad. So I am more pushing back at the "Steve is bad at developing young players" than trying to prove he is good at it.

Again, this is my point. Development happens most from the team that makes the initial investment... if a player leaves the Warriors and has success, that's more likely to be misuse, not lack of development. Development means raising the floor of what you expect the player to be, and look at all the young players that have come through -- has their floor been raised?

For example - if Kuminga gets dealt and suddenly becomes a good 5 on 5 player, that would be development. If Kuminga gets dealt to an iso heavy team and thrives in that system, that would be misuse. But the former rarely happens, because teams only invest significant developmental time to players who either cost them a lot of asset value and/or have already proven themselves to be worthy of the attention. Diaw is another great example - he didnt develop in PHX, he was just misused in ATL

Young players not looking any better than when they came in could just as easily be an indictment of the Warriors' ability to develop than an excuse as why its not their fault. But if you measure by floors, which to my understanding that most analytics depts do when it comes to development, there havent been much worse teams than the Warriors in the past 7 years, and the ones that have been worse are almost exclusively teams that have had less valuable draft capital than the Warriors. Lucky for them, the Wizards exist and no one is knocking them off the mountaintop for quite some time. 76ers are behind them because of Okafor/Fultz/Simmons too.. actually pretty damn close to the Wizards, way more than I thought now that I double checked

[Crazy-Canuck]

If anyone wants to see what development looks like, just peak at the miami heat.

[Impuniti]

30 boards out of of 30 have threads like this.

Every season - including championship seasons - it's the same ungrateful whining about how Kerr needs to go. Interesting how the posters inevitably fail to suggest a replacement. Or, are these same posters suggesting they themselves could do a better job? Seriously, we're talking about a guy with NINE rings as a player and coach.

This is the only season I have been annoyed by Kerr to this extent. There is no excuse to continue bringing out this utterly ludicrous 3 guard, undersized lineup yet he keeps doing it when it's failed. Then there is the Thompson situation.

If any poster right now thinks that this team has a chance of competing for a championship, let alone winning it is not living in the real world.