It’s over I’m calling it

[Old_Blue]

Time to move Steph to a contender for as many assets as we can possibly get. Move off Klay, Draymond and Wiggins. Time to rebuild. It’s done. It was a great era but the league has passed us by. It was bound to happen. Better to burn out than fade away.

Are things perfect with the Dubs? No, of course not. Is there food in the beer you just got served? Absolutely. Is that chunk of food part of a chicken wing? Possibly. But, I don't see demanding wholesale change accomplishing anything good. So, you may as well just drink the damn beer. Why? Because it's quite possible the beer is the problem and the food in the beer is the best thing you'll see today. The moral here is that you don't throw the Curry chicken wing out with the beer water. I can't even believe you would suggest otherwise.

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[Jester_]

Well yes, but we won't do it because look at the poster above me ^ these are the same people/fanbase who booed Lacob for getting rid of Monta. This is, without a doubt, one of the dumbest overall fanbases in the NBA - so the ownership has zero incentive to make the right gutsy moves you need to to build a contender.

From front office to coaching staff to some of our players, we've created a toxic, entitled generation of people who think they're "lightyears ahead" - even though 90% of our success is because we got lucky that Minnesota didn't draft Steph, and the other 10% was landing Draymond

If this was a shrewd front office I'd have no fear that they'd make the right, definitive moves, idiot fanbase be damned, but that's not going to happen here. We're going to waste away the remainder of Curry's prime and fade into another 30 year oblivion.

As is the Warriors way.

[HiRez]

I think this team can be better via trades or even just adjustments. But I don't see the consistency necessary for a champion. You can get beat, but you can't throw games away and expect to advance in the playoffs and this team throws games away. Last year it nearly doomed them vs. the Kings and finally did against the Lakers. Nothing has changed this year even with fairly big roster changes in the offseason.

[whatisacenter]

Why trade Steph? The owner just needs to cut the cord on the core 3 and build a new lineup around Curry. Maybe keeping the gang together makes sense for the value of the team but not for the product on the court.

[Jester_]

Why trade Steph? The owner just needs to cut the cord on the core 3 and build a new lineup around Curry. Maybe keeping the gang together makes sense for the value of the team but not for the product on the court.

It's pretty hard to swap a treadmill roster that's over the hump for a championship one

[brandon87]

Any Warriors fan calling for Steph to be traded needs checking immediately into an insane asylum.

On the wider point, the regular season for a few years now has proven to be a complete phoney war - I’m hoping management make a move before the trade deadline to improve the team - because aslong as the Warriors do enough to win enough games to make the post season, I still back them to beat anyone over 7 games. The important factor is how much the ‘getting there’ takes out of the players.

[sonnyhill]

The patient has died on the table. Time to move Steph to a contender for as many assets as we can possibly get. Move off Klay, Draymond and Wiggins. Time to rebuild. It’s done. It was a great era but the league has passed us by. It was bound to happen. Better to burn out than fade away.


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What kind of haul of assests could the Warriors get back for Curry?

Do you have confidence in MD Jr to morph into a Danny Ainge-Sam Presti GM?

[Onus]

Crazy... just way way too many turnovers. It's a road game. They're still not done. I'm not against tweaks here and there but to say blow it up is crazy.

TWEAKS?

This team is awful. Their record vs top teams this season is abhorrent. They're basically bullying bad teams and get their asses handed to them by any good team. Tweaks aren't fixing anything in this team. It needs drastic chances and praying that it somehow works out.

I don’t think we’ve been blown out yet and we’re still trying to find out what’s best for this team. Like we haven’t even played an optimal rotation. The one time we did we blew out the pelicans.

[Impuniti]

Crazy... just way way too many turnovers. It's a road game. They're still not done. I'm not against tweaks here and there but to say blow it up is crazy.

TWEAKS?

This team is awful. Their record vs top teams this season is abhorrent. They're basically bullying bad teams and get their asses handed to them by any good team. Tweaks aren't fixing anything in this team. It needs drastic chances and praying that it somehow works out.

I don’t think we’ve been blown out yet and we’re still trying to find out what’s best for this team. Like we haven’t even played an optimal rotation. The one time we did we blew out the pelicans.

Who is we exactly? Because Steve Kerr isn't trying to do that. His lineups are rife in nepotism and being a professional therapist/cheerleader for the four old men.

It is a fair point that the team isn't getting blown out throughout games though.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

My theory is Kerr is afraid to bench Klay so he's letting the losses mount up so no one can blame him when he does so.

Kerr is a soft coach. He recognizes weaknesses but too chicken shet to say and do things to make the team better. Kerr can’t manage talent (As Bob Myers was the catalyst to handle and have egos checked) and can’t make observations to make key player rotations / substitutions to put us back in games or lead them — just like how we used to aka Mike Brown’s doing.

Aside from a having a roster that looks decent on paper and finding player flaws is one thing, I think all fingers should be pointed at Kerr for this one.

Simple as that.

[Onus]

TWEAKS?

This team is awful. Their record vs top teams this season is abhorrent. They're basically bullying bad teams and get their asses handed to them by any good team. Tweaks aren't fixing anything in this team. It needs drastic chances and praying that it somehow works out.

I don’t think we’ve been blown out yet and we’re still trying to find out what’s best for this team. Like we haven’t even played an optimal rotation. The one time we did we blew out the pelicans.

Who is we exactly? Because Steve Kerr isn't trying to do that. His lineups are rife in nepotism and being a professional therapist/cheerleader for the four old men.

It is a fair point that the team isn't getting blown out throughout games though.

Kerr has been awful the last 2 years. Literally playing people based on their contract. It’s like he’s completely lost sight that his job is to win basketball games, and that he can win with different combinations rather than just 6 players. Him trying to force the curry/jp/Klay lineups last year was just awful. The shining light is that he finally gave it up in the playoffs albeit very late and really had no clue who to turn to or when. Now those deficiencies are showing up again. He has no clue who to sub in and when unless it’s predetermined. He’s lost the pulse of the team and is literally guessing at who to put in. At some point he has to find the right combination in 82 games? 82 games is a lot of games for him to find something that works. We just have to hope he stumbles into something luckily. Kind of how he luckily fell into starting Draymond over David Lee.


Now that I’m thinking about it. 2015 was probably actually really really lucky that Lee was injured and Kerr “started” Draymond.

[Onus]

We don’t really have offensive or defensive players right now lol


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Def do not have 2 way players but we do have some 1 way specialists

the only 1 way specialist is Loon, Saric and GP2....rest either destroys your defense or destroys your offense

You really just described 1 way players.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I don’t think we’ve been blown out yet and we’re still trying to find out what’s best for this team. Like we haven’t even played an optimal rotation. The one time we did we blew out the pelicans.

Who is we exactly? Because Steve Kerr isn't trying to do that. His lineups are rife in nepotism and being a professional therapist/cheerleader for the four old men.

It is a fair point that the team isn't getting blown out throughout games though.

Kerr has been awful the last 2 years. Literally playing people based on their contract. It’s like he’s completely lost sight that his job is to win basketball games, and that he can win with different combinations rather than just 6 players. Him trying to force the curry/jp/Klay lineups last year was just awful. The shining light is that he finally gave it up in the playoffs albeit very late and really had no clue who to turn to or when. Now those deficiencies are showing up again. He has no clue who to sub in and when unless it’s predetermined. He’s lost the pulse of the team and is literally guessing at who to put in. At some point he has to find the right combination in 82 games? 82 games is a lot of games for him to find something that works. We just have to hope he stumbles into something luckily. Kind of how he luckily fell into starting Draymond over David Lee.


Now that I’m thinking about it. 2015 was probably actually really really lucky that Lee was injured and Kerr “started” Draymond.

The past 2 years, the dubs have really struggled with defense and rotations.

The years prior, Mike brown was responsible for the defense and rotations. Mike brown put defense first. This iteration of the dubs focuses on offense.

Coincidence?

Kerr has been bad, but Weems deserves his share if criticism if he is indeed the one responsible for scripting rotations.

[Onus]

Who is we exactly? Because Steve Kerr isn't trying to do that. His lineups are rife in nepotism and being a professional therapist/cheerleader for the four old men.

It is a fair point that the team isn't getting blown out throughout games though.

Kerr has been awful the last 2 years. Literally playing people based on their contract. It’s like he’s completely lost sight that his job is to win basketball games, and that he can win with different combinations rather than just 6 players. Him trying to force the curry/jp/Klay lineups last year was just awful. The shining light is that he finally gave it up in the playoffs albeit very late and really had no clue who to turn to or when. Now those deficiencies are showing up again. He has no clue who to sub in and when unless it’s predetermined. He’s lost the pulse of the team and is literally guessing at who to put in. At some point he has to find the right combination in 82 games? 82 games is a lot of games for him to find something that works. We just have to hope he stumbles into something luckily. Kind of how he luckily fell into starting Draymond over David Lee.


Now that I’m thinking about it. 2015 was probably actually really really lucky that Lee was injured and Kerr “started” Draymond.

The past 2 years, the dubs have really struggled with defense and rotations.

The years prior, Mike brown was responsible for the defense and rotations. Mike brown put defense first. This iteration of the dubs focuses on offense.

Coincidence?

Kerr has been bad, but Weems deserves his share if criticism if he is indeed the one responsible for scripting rotations.

Yea weems isn’t as good as Mike brown but they come up with these rotations together and really the buck stops with Kerr. As much as they want to say they have consensus Kerr is the head coach not Chris weems. You have the ability to read the game and say hey jk is getting roasted on defense, maybe we should put our best defender on him? Oh jk can’t play off ball defense then let’s put someone else that can. Oh they’re hunting Klay let’s put someone else in there that can actually guard a chair.

Let’s be honest in 2015 lee was going to start and play major minutes. The only reason he didn’t was because he got hurt. That rotation was discovered completely by injury luck. And as bad as this is to say we need some injury luck to get Kerr’s head out of his ass.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Kerr is passive towards his “star” players. He needs to start growing cojones gigantes and be direct and real with a couple players and tell them that they’re a shadow of their former self and they will start warming the bench more often.

And this team really needs a top-tier assistant coach. Losing Mike Brown is showing how impactful he was with the Xs and Os when he was here. The last 2 years without him has been frustrating. Kerr’s success is his implementation of the motion offense/passing system — tailor-made for Curry, Thompson and Green. Otherwise, he’s been gifted and riding the team’s success off of prime talent, great coaching staff, and Bob Myers for handling disputes/egos. And now that this team has lost some of that, Kerr looks and is probably clueless on how to manage this himself.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Lol looked up Anthony Lamb and he’s now playing for the New Zealand Breakers. He played around 20 minutes per game last year, same as Kuminga and more than Moody. Ty Jerome also 18 minutes per game. Make this make sense. Warriors wasted their time developing scrubs and wondering why their first rounders aren’t playing better than they are. Apparently Kuminga and Moody were supposed to learn to be better players watching Lamb and Jerome from the bench. Kerr had the luxury of playing scrubs in the past when the small 3 were at their peak and then when KD arrived, but he couldn’t foresee the time where they couldn’t run the same thing anymore and what’s his solution? Throw darts at a board. Should have stuck with John Wooden’s philosophy: talent plays, scrubs sit on the bench. Kerr’s philosophy doesn’t work because it runs counter to that, he gets scrubs to run his system until those scrubs couldn’t play in the playoffs.

[whatisacenter]

Crazy... just way way too many turnovers. It's a road game. They're still not done. I'm not against tweaks here and there but to say blow it up is crazy.

TWEAKS?

This team is awful. Their record vs top teams this season is abhorrent. They're basically bullying bad teams and get their asses handed to them by any good team. Tweaks aren't fixing anything in this team. It needs drastic chances and praying that it somehow works out.

I don’t think we’ve been blown out yet and we’re still trying to find out what’s best for this team. Like we haven’t even played an optimal rotation. The one time we did we blew out the pelicans.

A pelicans team that was missing Ingram and still didn’t have Trey Murphy III and Jose Alvarez back from injury.

[Impuniti]

Lol looked up Anthony Lamb and he’s now playing for the New Zealand Breakers. He played around 20 minutes per game last year, same as Kuminga and more than Moody. Ty Jerome also 18 minutes per game. Make this make sense. Warriors wasted their time developing scrubs and wondering why their first rounders aren’t playing better than they are. Apparently Kuminga and Moody were supposed to learn to be better players watching Lamb and Jerome from the bench. Kerr had the luxury of playing scrubs in the past when the small 3 were at their peak and then when KD arrived, but he couldn’t foresee the time where they couldn’t run the same thing anymore and what’s his solution? Throw darts at a board. Should have stuck with John Wooden’s philosophy: talent plays, scrubs sit on the bench. Kerr’s philosophy doesn’t work because it runs counter to that, he gets scrubs to run his system until those scrubs couldn’t play in the playoffs.

What was abhorrent to watch was that Kerr was giving Lamb significant minutes during the RS and then just shelved in the playoffs while putting Moody/JK in the playoffs out of nowhere. What kind of coaching is that? What logic is there?

Someone.. please explain it to me.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Lol looked up Anthony Lamb and he’s now playing for the New Zealand Breakers. He played around 20 minutes per game last year, same as Kuminga and more than Moody. Ty Jerome also 18 minutes per game. Make this make sense. Warriors wasted their time developing scrubs and wondering why their first rounders aren’t playing better than they are. Apparently Kuminga and Moody were supposed to learn to be better players watching Lamb and Jerome from the bench. Kerr had the luxury of playing scrubs in the past when the small 3 were at their peak and then when KD arrived, but he couldn’t foresee the time where they couldn’t run the same thing anymore and what’s his solution? Throw darts at a board. Should have stuck with John Wooden’s philosophy: talent plays, scrubs sit on the bench. Kerr’s philosophy doesn’t work because it runs counter to that, he gets scrubs to run his system until those scrubs couldn’t play in the playoffs.

What was abhorrent to watch was that Kerr was giving Lamb significant minutes during the RS and then just shelved in the playoffs while putting Moody/JK in the playoffs out of nowhere. What kind of coaching is that? What logic is there?

Someone.. please explain it to me.

And then fans are complaining about their progress. Hard to progress when a player is learning and their ass is glued to the bench. It’s like the We Got Suck years, players who left the Warriors instantly became better playing for better teams.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Honestly they should have stuck to drafting guards because that’s the only way they will see the light of day in Kerr’s system. Would have gotten some good guards Wiseman’s year. Sengun would have been a G league regular if he came to this team.