Taking the pulse of Dubs fans: Who should be starting?

superunknown · Post #21 » by **superunknown** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 4:26 pm

cpower wrote:Curry/Klay/Wiggins is -8.2 per 36 between Dec and Jan (and getting worse). You either trade them or just tank with them. make a fking decision now!

just need to trade klay.

cpower · Post #22 » by **cpower** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:07 pm

superunknown wrote:
cpower wrote:Curry/Klay/Wiggins is -8.2 per 36 between Dec and Jan (and getting worse). You either trade them or just tank with them. make a fking decision now!

just need to trade klay.

after wiggins i agree.

cpower · Post #23 » by **cpower** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:09 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:
cpower wrote:Curry/Klay/Wiggins is -8.2 per 36 between Dec and Jan (and getting worse). You either trade them or just tank with them. make a fking decision now!

No! You split up Curry and Klay to improve the defense. Your assertion is not accurate. Improvement on defense is possible just by making that adjustment.

dont you get it? Wiggins kills your offense and Wiggins/Klay kills your defense. What are we experimenting? its not going to work.
Wiggins 104/122 Ortg/Drtg split
Klay 112/121 Ortg/Drtg split

TB · Post #24 » by TB » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:31 pm

cpower wrote:
GQ Hot Dog wrote:
cpower wrote:Curry/Klay/Wiggins is -8.2 per 36 between Dec and Jan (and getting worse). You either trade them or just tank with them. make a fking decision now!

No! You split up Curry and Klay to improve the defense. Your assertion is not accurate. Improvement on defense is possible just by making that adjustment.

dont you get it? Wiggins kills your offense and Wiggins/Klay kills your defense. What are we experimenting? its not going to work.
Wiggins 104/122 Ortg/Drtg split
Klay 112/121 Ortg/Drtg split

Steph/Loon lineups with both Klay/Wiggins on the bench are a net +51 :lol:

(small sample size obviously... 34 minutes). Any combo of the other Guards/forwards in those spots brings back positive results. Also huge positives with either Dray or Kuminga at the PF in that scenario. Zero minutes ever with Kuminga/Dray/Loon front court.

CDM_Stats · Post #25 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:42 pm

TB wrote:Zero minutes ever with Kuminga/Dray/Loon front court.

Which is kinda crazy.. I have no idea how they view Kuminga. Because he's clearly not for the Dray spot, and he seems to be an offense heavy/defense deficient replacement for Wiggins, and that might be necessary in today's game - or at least for the present iteration of the team, because without a good defensive mind on the bench, playing one-way defenders is becoming a huge liability, way much more so than playing one-way offensive players. Which means guys like GP2, Looney, and to a lesser extent Wiggins.. are all problems.

I dunno man.. trying to make sense of how this all worked this year has been an exercise in constant frustration.

Onus · Post #26 » by **Onus** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:47 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
TB wrote:Zero minutes ever with Kuminga/Dray/Loon front court.

Which is kinda crazy.. I have no idea how they view Kuminga. Because he's clearly not for the Dray spot, and he seems to be an offense heavy/defense deficient replacement for Wiggins, and that might be necessary in today's game - or at least for the present iteration of the team, because without a good defensive mind on the bench, playing one-way defenders is becoming a huge liability, way much more so than playing one-way offensive players. Which means guys like GP2, Looney, and to a lesser extent Wiggins.. are all problems.

I dunno man.. trying to make sense of how this all worked this year has been an exercise in constant frustration.

Really jk should be Klays replacement. Scoring guard who plays poa.

Coxy · Post #27 » by **Coxy** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:43 pm

I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

Impuniti · Post #28 » by **Impuniti** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:03 pm

SpreeS wrote:Start

Curry/Moody/Kuminga/Green/Looney

Finish

Curry/Moody/Wiggs/Kuminga/Green

Replace Looney for TJD. But this is pretty good. It's obnoxious we don't even know if this lineup has a chance because of Kerr's 1 dimensional and easy to read pathetic rotations and lineups.

Post #29 » by **Chris Porter's Hair** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:19 pm

I went with:
Steph
Moody
Kuminga
Dray
TJD

I went back and forth on Moody vs. Wiggins. It probably should be Wiggins, but until he remembers how to shoot, I went with this.
Similarly, I'm wary of starting TJD. But Looney just looks really broken now, and unless we sort that out, I can't justify leaning on him.

But also in my head is that we need to accept that we aren't the same team. We still play like the whole plan is to move people around a lot to get open 3's. And every game we get to hear Fitz moan about how unfortunate it is that the Warriors aren't making 3's, and how we'd be winning if only they were making more 3's. Guess what... this is getting to be a pretty big sample size. If your guys can't hit 3's/can't hit 3's anymore, run an offense that isn't so dependent on the 3. Moody can hit a 3. Kuminga enough to keep people honest. Draymond surprisingly well this year. But that shouldn't be the goal/plan. That should be what happens if other teams don't keep us honest and leave guys wide open for 3's.

Onus · Post #30 » by **Onus** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm

Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

Wiggins is still our best perimeter defender. Probably anywhere from our 2-4th best help defender. If we hope to stop anyone he probably should be playing.

superunknown · Post #31 » by **superunknown** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:33 pm

Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

maybe because he's still our best perimeter defender and this team sucks defensively.

superunknown · Post #32 » by **superunknown** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:44 pm

cpower wrote:
superunknown wrote:
cpower wrote:Curry/Klay/Wiggins is -8.2 per 36 between Dec and Jan (and getting worse). You either trade them or just tank with them. make a fking decision now!

just need to trade klay.

after wiggins i agree.

in no galaxy a player of the current roster should get traded before klay. he's the first one to ship, and it's been evident since last year.
he's singlehandedly been demolishing any resemblace of D without a break since the beginning of the season.

ShayDee · Post #33 » by **ShayDee** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:53 pm

Draymond should not be the starting center if you want him to be healthy and refreshed come playoffs if they ever reach there

cpower · Post #34 » by **cpower** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:53 pm

superunknown wrote:
Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

maybe because he's still our best perimeter defender and this team sucks defensively.

he is not, not close. GP2 is by far the best perimeter defender.

GP2 : 115
Moody: 118
Wiggins: 122

Dubs 707 · Post #35 » by **Dubs 707** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:52 pm

Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

We want Wiggs in, it's Klay that's been moved to the bench...

killmongrel · Post #36 » by **killmongrel** » Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:57 pm

Steph/Wiggins/Kuminga/Draymond/TJD

Honestly, seeing how much Looney has regressed, we need a legit starting center. If there's a move Dunleavy should consider this trade deadline, it's that.

cpower · Post #37 » by **cpower** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:53 am

Dubs 707 wrote:
Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

We want Wiggs in, it's Klay that's been moved to the bench...

you want the worst player in the league to neutralize Curry as max level, he is more wiseman than wiseman this season

Dubs 707 · Post #38 » by **Dubs 707** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:33 am

cpower wrote:
Dubs 707 wrote:
Coxy wrote:I’m really surprised that people have voted for Wiggins in this poll. I’m starting Kuminga every day from here on in at SF, with Dray at PF and either Loon or TJD at C matchup pending.

We want Wiggs in, it's Klay that's been moved to the bench...

you want the worst player in the league to neutralize Curry as max level, he is more wiseman than wiseman this season

Who's playing d in your line up

CDM_Stats · Post #39 » by **CDM_Stats** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:13 am

killmongrel wrote:Steph/Wiggins/Kuminga/Draymond/TJD

Honestly, seeing how much Looney has regressed, we need a legit starting center. If there's a move Dunleavy should consider this trade deadline, it's that.

Looney, GP2, and Wiggins havent regressed... system fits. But if we're running this kind of lineup out there, why wouldnt we try Looney there? Its pretty close to the system where both he and Wiggins flourished. Just having Kuminga be the Klay, the pure scorer/on-ball defender while letting the established Wiggins-Dray-Looney trio to run the help defense

cpower · Post #40 » by **cpower** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:39 am

Dubs 707 wrote:
cpower wrote:
Dubs 707 wrote:
We want Wiggs in, it's Klay that's been moved to the bench...

you want the worst player in the league to neutralize Curry as max level, he is more wiseman than wiseman this season

Who's playing d in your line up

starting lineup? we dont have one wing who can play with Curry/Klay..

Gimme your four other starters: