Should the Warriors make a trade?

[East Bay Sports]

they must move kuminga podz and melton at this point and throw in a couple of first.

I wish

I don't think they will seriously consider moving Podz or Kuminga.

[wco81]

Thing with Schroeder is a small guard who relies on athleticism being on the wrong side of 30 and extending him too long.

[Crazy-Canuck]

they must move kuminga podz and melton at this point and throw in a couple of first.

I wish

I don't think they will seriously consider moving Podz or Kuminga.

I still think they'll move wiggins before either of them. They are stuck on this 2 time line thing and have been for few years now.

[Onus]

they must move kuminga podz and melton at this point and throw in a couple of first.

I wish

I don't think they will seriously consider moving Podz or Kuminga.

I still think they'll move wiggins before either of them. They are stuck on this 2 time line thing and have been for few years now.

But the future time line is lottery bound

[Twinkie defense]

Back-to-back losses have fans shook, ready to clean house.

[WarriorGM]

Back-to-back losses have fans shook, ready to clean house.

Disappointing losses sure but people are getting a little ahead of themselves in their jumpiness. The team was not operating at peak efficiency and was winning handily in the games until collapsing in the 4th Q. There are issues and one major concern but a trade is not going to fix it. The major concern is if Father Time has caught up with Steph and Draymond. If that is the case, I don't see a trade that will solve the problem.

What I saw was the bench units giving away the game due to poor or experimental lineup construction. A Slomo led small ball lineup gave 9 points to the other team in 1 and a half minutes. Avoid that and put on the floor more rational lineups like having two of Curry, Hield, and Waters together at all times and one could easily see better outcomes.

Just saw Steph is going to miss out the next game due to a knee issue. That sucks but it may explain his poor form at the end of the last game so my concerns about a general decline in his play are eased.

[HiRez]

Can the Warriors get a disabled player exception for Melton if he's not traded? Or does that hard-cap them anyway? He was a starter when he went down...

[xdrta+]

Can the Warriors get a disabled player exception for Melton if he's not traded? Or does that hard-cap them anyway? He was a starter when he went down...

No exceptions to the hard cap. They could get a DPE for $6.4M but they would have to make salary room to stay under the hard cap.

[HiRez]

Can the Warriors get a disabled player exception for Melton if he's not traded? Or does that hard-cap them anyway? He was a starter when he went down...

No exceptions to the hard cap. They could get a DPE for $6.4M but they would have to make salary room to stay under the hard cap.

Bleh, that figures, thanks. Sounds like trading Melton is the best use of his salary then.

[ILOVEIT]

Yesssssssss! Need legit number two and/or legit stretch big.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Yesssssssss! Need legit number two and/or legit stretch big.

You trading steph or do you trade dray+Wiggins? A no.2 type player isn't cheap.

[CDM_Stats]

Warriors need to recoup value out of the 5th starter.. they just arent getting it. People are celebrating mediocrity if they like what Waters is bringing. Moody has really slowed down after a nice start. Them along with GP2 arent going to return much offensive value with the way the team works.. just can't. They aren't those types of players. Traditional 3&D guys, the Reggie Bullock archetype. Get their feet set and have the ball come from inside, and they are great spacers. But we're leaving that value on the table. The one guy who does well in motion, Hield, is getting most minutes with reserves, who can't do it as well as the starters

2 ways to get that value up: 1, a legitimate PG (Schroder by far and away the best option). 2, starting Hield. I actually prefer 3, which is 1+2

Would be nice to have our first legitimate drive and kick threat since Baron Davis, considering we have a lot of guards and wings who really, really need to have their feet set and not be in motion when shooting - GP2, JK, Moody, Lindy, Wiggins, Dray and to a degree, SloMo. One archetype can have a slight positive impact on all of them.. and an elite driver is available for cheap. Situations dont line up this nicely every day

[CDM_Stats]

I feel like the Warriors (Lacob?) are too invested in Kuminga to trade him in a deal that doesn't bring a legit star back. But maybe Kuminga's salary demands and play to open the season are changing that.

If thats the case, they are making a really bad gamble. Its a tough needle to thread where we use Kuminga correctly, he's paid something that's not debilitating, and he's a positive impact player consistently

[CDM_Stats]

Can the Warriors get a disabled player exception for Melton if he's not traded? Or does that hard-cap them anyway? He was a starter when he went down...

No exceptions to the hard cap. They could get a DPE for $6.4M but they would have to make salary room to stay under the hard cap.

If the Warriors traded Gui Santos, say in a deal like Melton (12.82)/Gui (1.8) ---> Schroder (13.02)...

would elevating Pat Spencer to the main roster be a prorated 1.1m? Or would he technically be 1.8m (and again, prorated)?

I guess they could elevate Beekman in that case, he'd definitely be 1.1m and I dont think Spencer would be used enough for it to matter. Just trying to see if there's a way to acquire Schroder using Melton but not taking any of the top 13 guys, while still remaining under hard cap and not going all the way up against it. Moving Gui and replacing him with a rookie min should save 700k against it

Technically should be able to do Melton straight up for Schroder, since there's only a 200k difference and W's have 500k to spare. But not sure if there's any incentives that may affect those numbers

[thunderdunk]

Can the Warriors get a disabled player exception for Melton if he's not traded? Or does that hard-cap them anyway? He was a starter when he went down...

No exceptions to the hard cap. They could get a DPE for $6.4M but they would have to make salary room to stay under the hard cap.

If the Warriors traded Gui Santos, say in a deal like Melton (12.82)/Gui (1.8) ---> Schroder (13.02)...

would elevating Pat Spencer to the main roster be a prorated 1.1m? Or would he technically be 1.8m (and again, prorated)?

I guess they could elevate Beekman in that case, he'd definitely be 1.1m and I dont think Spencer would be used enough for it to matter. Just trying to see if there's a way to acquire Schroder using Melton but not taking any of the top 13 guys, while still remaining under hard cap and not going all the way up against it. Moving Gui and replacing him with a rookie min should save 700k against it

Technically should be able to do Melton straight up for Schroder, since there's only a 200k difference and W's have 500k to spare. But not sure if there's any incentives that may affect those numbers

Seriously? That trade would never happen. Let’s discuss more realistic deals please.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Would be nice to have our first legitimate drive and kick threat since Baron Davis, considering we have a lot of guards and wings who really, really need to have their feet set and not be in motion when shooting - GP2, JK, Moody, Lindy, Wiggins, Dray and to a degree, SloMo. One archetype can have a slight positive impact on all of them.. and an elite driver is available for cheap. Situations dont line up this nicely every day

Isn't Kuminga our drive and kick threat? How many assists did he not get because Wiggins and Dray missed the open shots he got them with his forays into the paint? How would last night have gone had Steph been a recipient of some of Kuminga's drive and kick actions?

The problem with Kuminga is that Dray hasn't adjusted his game to allow Kuminga's game to blossom. Barring a trade, the success of this team rests on putting the ball and the keys to the bus in Kuminga's hands.

I think you(and many here) doubt that can work, but if this array of personnel is going to raise its ceiling, that's the only chance it's going to work.

[Jester_]

Would be nice to have our first legitimate drive and kick threat since Baron Davis, considering we have a lot of guards and wings who really, really need to have their feet set and not be in motion when shooting - GP2, JK, Moody, Lindy, Wiggins, Dray and to a degree, SloMo. One archetype can have a slight positive impact on all of them.. and an elite driver is available for cheap. Situations dont line up this nicely every day

Isn't Kuminga our drive and kick threat? How many assists did he not get because Wiggins and Dray missed the open shots he got them with his forays into the paint? How would last night have gone had Steph been a recipient of some of Kuminga's drive and kick actions?

The problem with Kuminga is that Dray hasn't adjusted his game to allow Kuminga's game to blossom. Barring a trade, the success of this team rests on putting the ball and the keys to the bus in Kuminga's hands.

I think you(and many here) doubt that can work, but if this array of personnel is going to raise its ceiling, that's the only chance it's going to work.

kuminga's court vision is way too poor to be a legitimite drive and kick threat

[GQ Hot Dog]

Would be nice to have our first legitimate drive and kick threat since Baron Davis, considering we have a lot of guards and wings who really, really need to have their feet set and not be in motion when shooting - GP2, JK, Moody, Lindy, Wiggins, Dray and to a degree, SloMo. One archetype can have a slight positive impact on all of them.. and an elite driver is available for cheap. Situations dont line up this nicely every day

Isn't Kuminga our drive and kick threat? How many assists did he not get because Wiggins and Dray missed the open shots he got them with his forays into the paint? How would last night have gone had Steph been a recipient of some of Kuminga's drive and kick actions?

The problem with Kuminga is that Dray hasn't adjusted his game to allow Kuminga's game to blossom. Barring a trade, the success of this team rests on putting the ball and the keys to the bus in Kuminga's hands.

I think you(and many here) doubt that can work, but if this array of personnel is going to raise its ceiling, that's the only chance it's going to work.

kuminga's court vision is way too poor to be a legitimite drive and kick threat

What would help Kuminga's court vision would be for Kerr to commit to consistent rotations with Kuminga as the playmaker surrounded by shooters. Kuminga has absolutely proven himself a willing passer in the context of his drives causing the defense to collapse and then kicking to open shooters. The more he plays that role, the more he and the various shooters get to know each other's timing, the more crisp and on time the passes get, the more in rhythm the shooters get.

Whether one thinks Kuminga can do it well enough to contend or not, it's still this personnel's best chance of taking a big step forward. I'm just not sure where Draymond belongs in that scheme.

[CDM_Stats]

No exceptions to the hard cap. They could get a DPE for $6.4M but they would have to make salary room to stay under the hard cap.

If the Warriors traded Gui Santos, say in a deal like Melton (12.82)/Gui (1.8) ---> Schroder (13.02)...

would elevating Pat Spencer to the main roster be a prorated 1.1m? Or would he technically be 1.8m (and again, prorated)?

I guess they could elevate Beekman in that case, he'd definitely be 1.1m and I dont think Spencer would be used enough for it to matter. Just trying to see if there's a way to acquire Schroder using Melton but not taking any of the top 13 guys, while still remaining under hard cap and not going all the way up against it. Moving Gui and replacing him with a rookie min should save 700k against it

Technically should be able to do Melton straight up for Schroder, since there's only a 200k difference and W's have 500k to spare. But not sure if there's any incentives that may affect those numbers

Seriously? That trade would never happen. Let’s discuss more realistic deals please.

Trading Melton for Schroder is unrealistic? lol thanks for your valuable input

Would obviously need draft compensation added, but I was concerned about salary and how it lines up. I keep forgetting that some folks need everything spelled out. Or actually not caring, but still same result

[CDM_Stats]

Would be nice to have our first legitimate drive and kick threat since Baron Davis, considering we have a lot of guards and wings who really, really need to have their feet set and not be in motion when shooting - GP2, JK, Moody, Lindy, Wiggins, Dray and to a degree, SloMo. One archetype can have a slight positive impact on all of them.. and an elite driver is available for cheap. Situations dont line up this nicely every day

Isn't Kuminga our drive and kick threat? How many assists did he not get because Wiggins and Dray missed the open shots he got them with his forays into the paint? How would last night have gone had Steph been a recipient of some of Kuminga's drive and kick actions?

The problem with Kuminga is that Dray hasn't adjusted his game to allow Kuminga's game to blossom. Barring a trade, the success of this team rests on putting the ball and the keys to the bus in Kuminga's hands.

I think you(and many here) doubt that can work, but if this array of personnel is going to raise its ceiling, that's the only chance it's going to work.

He has downhill vision, which does not cater to what the Warriors need - someone who understands whats going on all around them when they drive. Schroder is one of the best at that, while also not being a dreadful handler