The Rebuild Thread

[whatisacenter]

Lacob hanging on to Podz and Kuminga instead of doing everything they could to win with whatever Curry and Green have left is trash. if you disagree, cool.

Not sure if you have watched the last 3 games or so but Steph and Draymond have been a big part of the losing. Do you see either of them elevating their teammates?

It would take an all-star roster to get those two another chip, IMO.

Curry was pretty good against dallas. If we weren’t experimenting we would’ve been in that game. If we weren’t experimenting we would’ve beat the rockets as well.

We’re still experimenting with lineups and haven’t even played our best lineup yet. Until we do it’s hard to make any proclamations about the team and their demise.

Best lineup being curry/hield/wiggins/dray

The Warriors had the Rockets game until Steph and Dray had two empty possessions with 24 second violations and Steph took a deep three way too early in the shot clock.

The Warriors had multiple chances to make it a one score game against Dallas but Draymond was throwing lobs off the top of the backboard.

curry/hield/wiggins/dray is only 4 players....who are you playing with them?

[Jester_]

don't see all those posters who were celebrating FO all summer and a few weeks ago anymore

[cpower]

Lacob hanging on to Podz and Kuminga instead of doing everything they could to win with whatever Curry and Green have left is trash. if you disagree, cool.

Not sure if you have watched the last 3 games or so but Steph and Draymond have been a big part of the losing. Do you see either of them elevating their teammates?

It would take an all-star roster to get those two another chip, IMO.

because their teammates are trash..

just look at who we have man, Podz Waters JK. thats the 3 offensive youngsters we are heavily leaned on.. since we feature them, we are 5-10...if we could just replace them with avg NBA players we would be 50-50 at worst....we should have traded all the young guys last year, along with CP3 and Klay

[cpower]

If they are really closing the book on steph, we should open a bidding war on Wiggins. Just don't ask the trade board, they want a couple of unprotected picks with any mention of Wiggins.

Keep podz, moody, and tjd. Trade jk for any pick you can get. Jk at 35M/yr is not something you would want on a rebuild.

But I'd prefer to give this group more time and hour kerr figures out these rotations. He's riding or oblivious to the obvious. He's tried everything but the starting unit that best replicates dubs ball.

if you look closely, the only players playing bad are Podz JK Waters and TDJ....Curry is old but still all star, Green is avg, WIggins is playing well.. This would easily be a playoff team if we just trade all the trash for one good player.

[whatisacenter]

Lacob hanging on to Podz and Kuminga instead of doing everything they could to win with whatever Curry and Green have left is trash. if you disagree, cool.

Not sure if you have watched the last 3 games or so but Steph and Draymond have been a big part of the losing. Do you see either of them elevating their teammates?

It would take an all-star roster to get those two another chip, IMO.

because their teammates are trash..

just look at who we have man, Podz Waters JK. thats the 3 offensive youngsters we are heavily leaned on.. since we feature them, we are 5-10...if we could just replace them with avg NBA players we would be 50-50 at worst....we should have traded all the young guys last year, along with CP3 and Klay

It was all veterans on the floor to start the game yesterday.

[HiRez]

What has to be realized is that, for a player as important as Steph is, and to a lesser amount Draymond, a little bit off their game is not a small thing, it makes a massive difference. If they're 15% less effective, it doesn't mean the team is 15% less effective, it's more like 50%. Everything else crumbles because it's all built around them. What's happening isn't entirely their fault but they have to be in top form to lead a mediocre team to victory, and they are not on many nights now.

[cpower]

Not sure if you have watched the last 3 games or so but Steph and Draymond have been a big part of the losing. Do you see either of them elevating their teammates?

It would take an all-star roster to get those two another chip, IMO.

because their teammates are trash..

just look at who we have man, Podz Waters JK. thats the 3 offensive youngsters we are heavily leaned on.. since we feature them, we are 5-10...if we could just replace them with avg NBA players we would be 50-50 at worst....we should have traded all the young guys last year, along with CP3 and Klay

It was all veterans on the floor to start the game yesterday.

check BPM, EPM, RAPTOR...every stat is telling the vets are doing just fine.

RAPTOR:

Steph +3.9
Melton +2.8
Wiggins +2.8
GP2 +2.0
Hield +1.3
Looney +0.6
Anderson +0.5
Green -0.2
TDJ -0.5
Waters -0.6
Podz -0.6
JK -1.3
Moody -3.6

[floppymoose]

People are so quick to go back into the dark ages.

this is like the Foundation Trilogy. The Dark Ages are coming to the Empire no matter what. It's jsut a question of shortening them by 1000 years.

You're not shortening it, you're just making it longer. Just because you start something earlier doesn't mean you come out of it sooner.

That feels like it has to be false. Unless you mean that any deviation from the current path leads to a darker future? If not, then that is what this thread is for: discussing the best path forward.

[DaHef]

Without an inside presence, defenders will just crowd the perimeter. And on the other end the opposition will pound the rock until you leave the perimeter open. It's not rocket science. Remember, the ring run started with Bogut in the middle, not a bunch of midgets.

[B-King]

The league has gotten better, especially in the Western Conference.

I have been musing if the Warriors continue down the current path, would they consider a partial tear down. They have some assets that teams can use down the stretch and the 2025 Free agent list has some interesting names.

Curry, Wiggins and Green are on the do not trade list then go from there. Feel however you want about Green, but the team wins with him on the floor and he can recruit to a certain extent.

[CDM_Stats]

don't see all those posters who were celebrating FO all summer and a few weeks ago anymore

lol we won the November title though..

I still like the moves MDJ made, I still have optimism that if they are played to their strengths, it will take some of the load off of Curry and Dray.. but banking on Kerr maxing out the role players was also a long odds bet. I think that with how much Kerr is changing things game to game, he has to eventually stumble on the right answer.. right?

Curry/Hield/Wiggins/Dray/Looney

But the best part is the backup unit and how well they can fit with each other. Schroder is a great penetrator and helps stationary perimeter (Podz, Moody, Lindy - and to a degree, SloMo) and lob threats (GP2, JK, TJD). He's also excellent with iso PnR, which should help the lob threats as well. The defense might not be bad either

IDC about practice or who's earned what or kowtowing to vets or whatever.. this is Curry's last run, they owe it to him, and only him, to play the best lineups and use the best strategies. I dont think Kerr has that in his bag, so just have to hope he stumbles on it

[EvanZ]

Looks like we are just going to run it back. Einstein said this insanity. I told you all we have another choice and that is to get off the treadmill and trade Steph and get a big haul and do a proper rebuild.

Who's with me now?

They never listen.

[EvanZ]

hilarious...who could have seen it coming

[EvanZ]

The patient has died on the table. Time to move Steph to a contender for as many assets as we can possibly get. Move off Klay, Draymond and Wiggins. Time to rebuild. It’s done. It was a great era but the league has passed us by. It was bound to happen. Better to burn out than fade away.


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Could have done it a year ago.

[DonaldSanders]

Looks like we are just going to run it back. Einstein said this insanity. I told you all we have another choice and that is to get off the treadmill and trade Steph and get a big haul and do a proper rebuild.

Who's with me now?

They never listen.

Which should we have listened to? This banger from 2011?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1112032&p=28086778&hilit=trade+curry#p28086778

It's likely that neither player would bring a top 5 pick in return.

I would definitely not trade Curry for a 3,4, or 5 pick, and probably not for a 1 or 2 pick either (we are talking this next draft, right?).

I would trade Curry for Anthony Davis. No hesitation.

Or this one from 2012 where you sink the entire dynasty?
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1141376&p=30457085&hilit=trade+curry#p30457085

Lee+Curry for Millsap+ Harris.

Monta+Wright for Mbah a Moute/Leuer/Beno Udrih

starting lineup:

Harris
Klay
Mbah a Moute
Millsap
Udoh

bench:

Beno
Nate
Rush
Leuer
Tyler

Figure it out from there. Harris and Millsap have 1-yr remaining on their contracts. If it works great, if not, blow it up next season.

[whatisacenter]

Looks like we are just going to run it back. Einstein said this insanity. I told you all we have another choice and that is to get off the treadmill and trade Steph and get a big haul and do a proper rebuild.

Who's with me now?

They never listen.

Which should we have listened to? This banger from 2011?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1112032&p=28086778&hilit=trade+curry#p28086778

I would definitely not trade Curry for a 3,4, or 5 pick, and probably not for a 1 or 2 pick either (we are talking this next draft, right?).

I would trade Curry for Anthony Davis. No hesitation.

Or this one from 2012 where you sink the entire dynasty?
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1141376&p=30457085&hilit=trade+curry#p30457085

Lee+Curry for Millsap+ Harris.

Monta+Wright for Mbah a Moute/Leuer/Beno Udrih

starting lineup:

Harris
Klay
Mbah a Moute
Millsap
Udoh

bench:

Beno
Nate
Rush
Leuer
Tyler

Figure it out from there. Harris and Millsap have 1-yr remaining on their contracts. If it works great, if not, blow it up next season.

lol, the guy is his own biggest fan!

note from floppymoose: we have a lot of threads that are basically about rebuilding. i'm trying to use just one thread for most of that stuff going forward: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2424874

[Twinkie defense]

So disrespectful to Curry and everything he did here. I really resent our front office

Disrespectful how???

The FO has gone above and beyond as long as they were able to do so.

After the 22 title, which was the cherry on top and was attainable due to the team getting something for nothing when KD went to the Nets, the league changed the CBA and made surrounding Curry with enough talent to contend nearly impossible.

Curry has been beyond amazing for the past 10 years and he was able to stand on top of the league 4 times in his career. Not many all time greats get to say that. Fans need to quit crying and just enjoy the glow of a dynasty for the first time in team history.

In retrospect, should have torn it down after the 2022 title.

[Twinkie defense]

Curry's gassed at 36/37 years old not even halfway of the season.

Plus Olympics.

[cpower]

So disrespectful to Curry and everything he did here. I really resent our front office

Disrespectful how???

The FO has gone above and beyond as long as they were able to do so.

After the 22 title, which was the cherry on top and was attainable due to the team getting something for nothing when KD went to the Nets, the league changed the CBA and made surrounding Curry with enough talent to contend nearly impossible.

Curry has been beyond amazing for the past 10 years and he was able to stand on top of the league 4 times in his career. Not many all time greats get to say that. Fans need to quit crying and just enjoy the glow of a dynasty for the first time in team history.

seriously man if Kuminga and Podz are enough talent i dont know what to say - there are two negative players that nobody want....

[CDM_Stats]

So disrespectful to Curry and everything he did here. I really resent our front office

Disrespectful how???

The FO has gone above and beyond as long as they were able to do so.

After the 22 title, which was the cherry on top and was attainable due to the team getting something for nothing when KD went to the Nets, the league changed the CBA and made surrounding Curry with enough talent to contend nearly impossible.

Curry has been beyond amazing for the past 10 years and he was able to stand on top of the league 4 times in his career. Not many all time greats get to say that. Fans need to quit crying and just enjoy the glow of a dynasty for the first time in team history.

In retrospect, should have torn it down after the 2022 title.

But realistically no team is ever going to do that after a title... not willingly, anyways

While I do think people are overreacting to one loss where they started a brand new player in a highly complex scheme, folks should remember that the 1pt loss to Houston and the 50 pt loss to Memphis are equal in the standings.. the hope just needs to be that Kerr is learning each time