Could the Warriors have gotten 3 1st Rounders for 1?

[Twinkie defense]

The Suns don't care. They care about winning. Going for it. And guess what? They didn't mortgage their future either. Now, it might not work out. Butler might not make that much of a difference. But it's more likely that he WILL make a difference and at least give them a chance in the next few years.

I don't think Jimmy Butler is going to get the Suns a Championship. I think they are succumbing to the Sunk Cost Fallacy, doubling down on their bad choices in a fit of desperation. And if that 2031 pick ends up being someone like Wemby, Evan Mobley, Luka, they are going to be kicking themsleves.

[Twinkie defense]

I’m glad we are not the Suns.

Ishbia is swinging for the fences, and if it fails, he can flip KD, Jimmy and Booker for a metric **** of picks

you guys don't want to be the suns because you have no vision and enjoy treadmilling

some of you don't seem to have any understanding of how ass GSW and it's prospects currently are

How'd that Bradley Beal trade work out?

[Twinkie defense]

Remember when the Nets swung for the fences by trading for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett? That worked out pretty well... for the Celtics.

[DAWill1128]

If the Suns can pull it off, in my opinion, I think they can win the West.

Booker and Beal are redundant, carrying two smaller, score-first shooting guards who are not good on defense. If either one is not getting a lot of ISO scoring possessions, then they do not bring a lot.

Last year the Suns played Booker, Beal, and Allen together as three small, score-first, defenseless shooting guards.

Jimmy, on the other hand, is like Iggy on steroids. Jimmy is a fill-in wherever and whenever it's needed. Jimmy might be the NBA's best jackknife player. In terms of adding size and physicality to the roster, he is a major upgrade on Beal.

The Suns issue last year was that even with some great players on the team, they were playing 4 negative defenders together. Beal, Booker, Allen, Nurkic.

The Suns bringing in Richards was big; he's a more active, lively body on the defensive end than Nurkic. At least Plumlee brings some athleticism and energy, unlike Nurkic.

The Suns have picks; they probably move Nurkic for more depth pieces.

While I don't think the Suns have great on-ball defenders, I do think Richards, Durant, and Butler in a frontcourt together are all strong help defenders, and that can mask some of the guard defense. If they play Jimmy out of the point forward role in spots and play Dunn in place of Jones, I think they probably have a great defense.

The 2nd place team out West is led by Alperen Sengun; this isn't exactly a massive leap to get into the WCF.

As for OKC, it's not a world-beater roster. They did lose to Dallas in 6 last year.

The thing about the Suns picks history is it's just the nature of the NBA. They are going to swing for the fences to win the franchise's first championship; it's a clear direction. If it doesn't work out, Durant and Booker will yield a massive haul of picks.

The Suns have two top 3 players at the Shooting Guard and Power Forward positions.

I would rather be the Suns than the Warriors, who cannot decide and have diminished themselves and the opportunities to move in either direction. This franchise is sniffing its own farts at this point.

[Twinkie defense]

There is some analysis of the deal here: viewtopic.php?p=116649652#p116649652

I really hate this for the Suns but I guess we'll see how it works out.

It's actually a great deal for the Suns since now they get to send out their own picks in 26 and 28. Yea they're going to go deeper into their hole that they're digging but they are trying to win a championship with KD. Maybe Ishbia sells in a couple years when KD is a shell and he has no more avenues to extract value from the future, but he's giving KD and Booker everything that he can to help win a title with them. I'd take Ishbia over Sarver every day

You have to also consider how the modern cap rules fit into this. You can't just send out picks and bring in expensive players. Basically the Suns will have three very highly paid players, and have to fill out the rest of the roster with vet minimum and rookie contracts.

[Onus]

There is some analysis of the deal here: viewtopic.php?p=116649652#p116649652

I really hate this for the Suns but I guess we'll see how it works out.

It's actually a great deal for the Suns since now they get to send out their own picks in 26 and 28. Yea they're going to go deeper into their hole that they're digging but they are trying to win a championship with KD. Maybe Ishbia sells in a couple years when KD is a shell and he has no more avenues to extract value from the future, but he's giving KD and Booker everything that he can to help win a title with them. I'd take Ishbia over Sarver every day

You have to also consider how the modern cap rules fit into this. You can't just send out picks and bring in expensive players. Basically the Suns will have three very highly paid players, and have to fill out the rest of the roster with vet minimum and rookie contracts.

They seemed to have filled the roster pretty well.

Tyus jones
Book/grayson
Butler/royce
Kd/dunn
Nick Richard’s/plumlee

[whatisacenter]

There is some analysis of the deal here: viewtopic.php?p=116649652#p116649652

I really hate this for the Suns but I guess we'll see how it works out.

It's actually a great deal for the Suns since now they get to send out their own picks in 26 and 28. Yea they're going to go deeper into their hole that they're digging but they are trying to win a championship with KD. Maybe Ishbia sells in a couple years when KD is a shell and he has no more avenues to extract value from the future, but he's giving KD and Booker everything that he can to help win a title with them. I'd take Ishbia over Sarver every day

Do they?

I was under the impression that they traded the odd year picks outright and '26 and '28 were pick swaps.

[Onus]

There is some analysis of the deal here: viewtopic.php?p=116649652#p116649652

I really hate this for the Suns but I guess we'll see how it works out.

It's actually a great deal for the Suns since now they get to send out their own picks in 26 and 28. Yea they're going to go deeper into their hole that they're digging but they are trying to win a championship with KD. Maybe Ishbia sells in a couple years when KD is a shell and he has no more avenues to extract value from the future, but he's giving KD and Booker everything that he can to help win a title with them. I'd take Ishbia over Sarver every day

Do they?

I was under the impression that they traded the odd year picks outright and '26 and '28 were pick swaps.

Someone said this

Stepien Rule

2025 1st via Utah trade
2026 Wiz own swap w/ Suns, can be traded
2027 1st via Utah trade
2028 Wiz own swap w/ Suns, can be traded
2029 1st via Utah trade
2030 Wiz own swap w/ Suns can NOT be traded
2031 Suns 1st owed Utah

Suns have flexibility to trade their 2026 and 2028 1sts now.

Before the trade they could only trade one of their own 1sts, but in trading their 2031 1st to Utah, now they can trade 2 of their own 1sts, because other team's 1sts split up trading 1sts in consecutive drafts.

Suns have the draft capital to both move Beal and satisfy Miami. They have far more flexibility to hammer out a deal without even using the 3 picks they acquired which are worth less than 2 they can now trade.

[whatisacenter]

double

[whatisacenter]

Do they?

I was under the impression that they traded the odd year picks outright and '26 and '28 were pick swaps.

Someone said this

Stepien Rule

2025 1st via Utah trade
2026 Wiz own swap w/ Suns, can be traded
2027 1st via Utah trade
2028 Wiz own swap w/ Suns, can be traded
2029 1st via Utah trade
2030 Wiz own swap w/ Suns can NOT be traded
2031 Suns 1st owed Utah

Suns have flexibility to trade their 2026 and 2028 1sts now.

Before the trade they could only trade one of their own 1sts, but in trading their 2031 1st to Utah, now they can trade 2 of their own 1sts, because other team's 1sts split up trading 1sts in consecutive drafts.

Suns have the draft capital to both move Beal and satisfy Miami. They have far more flexibility to hammer out a deal without even using the 3 picks they acquired which are worth less than 2 they can now trade.

So the Wiz still own the right to swap those picks in 2026-28 but they can now be traded.

I guess the teams they are going to trade with like the Heat will have to factor that in and decide which picks seem like the most valuable.

If I were a GM the picks that another team has the right to swap for would not be as valuable....too many factors.

PHX is also second apron team and can't trade a first-round pick seven years in the future, and that pick falls to the bottom of the first round if a team is over the second apron at least twice in a four-season span. Hard to Imagine the Suns not being over the second apron with KD, Book and Butler.

[Jester_]

Remember when the Nets swung for the fences by trading for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett? That worked out pretty well... for the Celtics.

Remember when Ainge swung for the fences and traded out of the 1st pick to draft Tatum? Remember when we swung for the fences and chucked our all star guard away for a perennially injured center in Milwaukee?

you're being intentionally dense

[Jester_]

I’m glad we are not the Suns.

Ishbia is swinging for the fences, and if it fails, he can flip KD, Jimmy and Booker for a metric **** of picks

you guys don't want to be the suns because you have no vision and enjoy treadmilling

some of you don't seem to have any understanding of how ass GSW and it's prospects currently are

He swung for the fences last year and got
swept.

Go find me some suns fans who like this owner

This is how Suns fans feel: https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/1i6xebu/comment/m8g4aw8/

Ishbia isn't a great owner. he's still better than our FO because he's actually swinging for the fences and not sitting on his ass and waffling

between the two franchises, they have a much better shot at a championship than we do. but sure we can sit here and gloat about all the pick swaps we don't have

[floppymoose]

Picks with swap rights are still picks. If the Suns trade them, they are trading away whichever 1st rounder they would have had with the swap.

[whatisacenter]

Ishbia is swinging for the fences, and if it fails, he can flip KD, Jimmy and Booker for a metric **** of picks

you guys don't want to be the suns because you have no vision and enjoy treadmilling

some of you don't seem to have any understanding of how ass GSW and it's prospects currently are

He swung for the fences last year and got
swept.

Go find me some suns fans who like this owner

This is how Suns fans feel: https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/1i6xebu/comment/m8g4aw8/

Ishbia isn't a great owner. he's still better than our FO because he's actually swinging for the fences and not sitting on his ass and waffling

between the two franchises, they have a much better shot at a championship than we do. but sure we can sit here and gloat about all the pick swaps we don't have

Or we could just gloat about the 4 championships and be glad we aren’t selling the farm to maybe be a 6 seed while extending the ghost of Jimmy Drama for another two years.

I don’t actually hate trading 1 for three in a vacuum but it’s sending them out for Jimmy that I don’t like….that front office already crapped the bed trading for Beale with his NTC and now they look to be doubling down

[Coxy]

Almost anyone on here could do so little to improve the team as Dunleavy and Lacob.

They're frauds and fakes. They're disgusting.

No, no they couldn't. That pesky thing called 'real life' gets in the way of your theory. Most people couldn't make even a junior executive position in a professional NBA sports franchise, let alone be the GM or owner. Get a grip, the adults in the room are doing their best. If you think you can do better, get your CV together.

[DAWill1128]

As for Ishbia as an owner, the guys absolutely got my respect.

He tried getting approval to have a free app so fans anywhere in the world could watch the Suns play for free. Imagine living in a market without NBA basketball on TV regularly and being able to catch 82 games of a team. The Suns would have created a massive global fanbase, which was his goal. But the NBA and the local cable deal with Spectrum blocked it.

Ishbia turned around and had the organization hand out free TV antennas so fans locally could catch the games.

Ishbia then created a $2 food and drink concession menu to make the arena experience more affordable. NBA teams are charging 4x the price Ishbia is for items like hot dogs, popcorn, soda, and water.

The guys vision of helping kids with the affordability to watch the team and grow into lifelong fans is commendable.

[Twinkie defense]

Remember when the Nets swung for the fences by trading for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett? That worked out pretty well... for the Celtics.

Remember when Ainge swung for the fences and traded out of the 1st pick to draft Tatum? Remember when we swung for the fences and chucked our all star guard away for a perennially injured center in Milwaukee?

you're being intentionally dense

Andrew Bogut? That was one of the best trades in the modern era of Warriors basketball - and notably, this was a pre-Bob Myers trade

Of course in neither of those did Celtics or Warriors send out multiple first-round picks for aging players.

[Twinkie defense]

There is some analysis of the deal here: viewtopic.php?p=116649652#p116649652

I really hate this for the Suns but I guess we'll see how it works out.

It's actually a great deal for the Suns since now they get to send out their own picks in 26 and 28. Yea they're going to go deeper into their hole that they're digging but they are trying to win a championship with KD. Maybe Ishbia sells in a couple years when KD is a shell and he has no more avenues to extract value from the future, but he's giving KD and Booker everything that he can to help win a title with them. I'd take Ishbia over Sarver every day

Do they?

I was under the impression that they traded the odd year picks outright and '26 and '28 were pick swaps.

The Suns' own '26 and '28 picks are the most valuable, but they probably need three picks (or more) to both dump Bradley Beal and acquire Jimmy Butler - and they can't mix and match those picks, they either need to use their two own picks or the three they acquired.

In other news:

The way it makes sense for us is that we now have another shot at a pick that has a lot of variability. The three picks we traded have no chance to be the No. 1 pick, and this one does," [Utah Jazz GM] Zanik said. "It balances out what we want, but we’ve always talked about bites at the apple or more swings in the draft, but it also is about the quality of the swings, and this is, in my opinion, the most valuable asset on the market right now."

[Jester_]

Remember when the Nets swung for the fences by trading for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett? That worked out pretty well... for the Celtics.

Remember when Ainge swung for the fences and traded out of the 1st pick to draft Tatum? Remember when we swung for the fences and chucked our all star guard away for a perennially injured center in Milwaukee?

you're being intentionally dense

Andrew Bogut? That was one of the best trades in the modern era of Warriors basketball - and notably, this was a pre-Bob Myers trade

Of course in neither of those did Celtics or Warriors send out multiple first-round picks for aging players.

yes the point is it was considered a swing. like i said quite moving goalposts and being deliberately obtuse

you don't win jack without taking swings.

[Jester_]

Almost anyone on here could do so little to improve the team as Dunleavy and Lacob.

They're frauds and fakes. They're disgusting.

No, no they couldn't. That pesky thing called 'real life' gets in the way of your theory. Most people couldn't make even a junior executive position in a professional NBA sports franchise, let alone be the GM or owner. Get a grip, the adults in the room are doing their best. If you think you can do better, get your CV together.

just another in a line of dumpster tier posts. i miss when you mostly just memed