Jimmy Butler Awesome Trade, Great Job!

[ILOVEIT]

Curry and Klay worked so well because Klay, when younger, was the PERFECT two way big guard next to Steph.
Butler is that for Steph as well.
Kuminga can now take all of Wiggin's minutes at SF/PF.
Curry, BUTLER, Kuminga, Draymond, Post

Finally, there is no confusion on pecking order in this team. Curry, Butler, Kuminga.

A lineup of Curry, Butler, Moody, Kuminga, Draymond could be devastating if Moody continues to elevate his game.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Curry and Klay worked so well because Klay, when younger, was the PERFECT two way big guard next to Steph.
Butler is that for Steph as well.
Kuminga can now take all of Wiggin's minutes at SF/PF.
Curry, BUTLER, Kuminga, Draymond, Post

Finally, there is no confusion on pecking order in this team. Curry, Butler, Kuminga.

A lineup of Curry, Butler, Moody, Kuminga, Draymond could be devastating if Moody continues to elevate his game.

Based on his skill set, I never really considered Klay a guard. More of a wing yet Kerr never had a problem starting him with Curry as the only true ball handler.

These days he seems determined to try to have a second ball handler in there. Butler takes care of that now and I hope it means Kerr won't mind having Moody in there as the 2, Butler as the 3 and one of Dray or Kuminga as the 4.

[Zvaart]

I don't like it still, i think the risk is greater than the reward, but i made my peace with it.

I still hope to add a big, but i don't think we will. Dray at the 5 in RS will wear him down, he's old.


Sorry for Dennis, SloMo and Water, all great guys it seems, but i think they are additions by substraction.

This being said so i can say "i told you so", let's hope for the best.

[Jester_]

This OP is made on the Friday before Jimmy plays his first game as a Warrior so, sight unseen, I'm declaring it a fantastic trade by our FO.

Jimmy is exactly what this team needs. The template of generating offense by perpetually running Steph off screens for open shots or forays to the bucket has come to the end of its useful life because the key pieces have gotten old. Steph just can't convert enough to beat the best teams with the quality of defenders he consistently has chasing him. He has to shoot his 3s too quickly and his layups with too much english to be efficient.

The new offensive framework will be built around Jimmy's midrange and paint scoring causing the defense to sag which will allow Steph to get just that little bit more open. It will pay big dividends.

The other player that will benefit is Kuminga. Largely because Jimmy will become a mentor of sorts for him and Kuminga will develop his game with Jimmy as a template. Kuminga will also be one of the main beneficiaries of Jimmy's passing with many easy shot opportunities and layups resulting.

The guy that may have to recede into the background on offense somewhat is Draymond. But I imagine at this stage of his career, he'll put his ego aside and recognize the necessity of it for the team to win. He might even go to the bench to take the expected Kyle Anderson role( ).

What I'd like to see:

Curry/Podz
Moody/Hield
Jimmy/GP2
Kuminga/Draymond/Gui
Post/Loon/TJD

I agree with you, doesn't this feel weird

Jimmy is playing about as well as he's always had. People have forgotten how good he is in the playoffs.

I dono if Kerr can figure it out. if we play him motion offense it won't work. But it's also the first time Steph has had an actual playmaker next to him.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Jimmy waived his trade bonus, now more room under the cap to get someone.

[whocurrz]

I’m pretty satisfied with the trade. I know it doesn’t make us contenders, but if we’re not going to trade Curry (which I don’t think we should unless he asks for it) then we at least picked up a guy who fits that timeline before we rebuild. Butler isn’t an ideal fit for the motion offense, but he has a great BBIQ on both sides of the ball and has played with coaches who make players accountable to team ball on both sides of the court. Jimmy adding a high BBIQ player is very important to making us better on both sides of the ball and he can help us close out games or get buckets when the offense goes cold. I’m optimistic the fit will be good with Curry, but the rest of the roster fit isn’t ideal. This is why I prefer we’d traded a 2026 draft pick so we could add cheap talent this offseason but I guess Kerr would probably bench the rookie anyways.

[GQ Hot Dog]

New nickname: MDJenius

[Sandy333]

Wiggins a better defender but always coughed the ball in a crowd. Still a improvement. Post's play is encouraging , buy we still need a tall wing and a 7 foot center.

[Sandy333]

Wiggins a better defender but always coughed the ball in a crowd. Still a improvement. Post's play is encouraging , buy we still need a tall wing and a 7 foot center.

[sonnyhill]

While the Bulls game is a small sample to measure against, Warrior fans were able to see how Butler's tenacity and high-IQ on both ends of the court allowed for the team to be more in "attack mode" and less in "read-and-react."

It was nice to see how his presence seemed to unlock both Curry and Post (yeah, Post, too).

Watch on YouTube

[Onus]

I don't like it still, i think the risk is greater than the reward, but i made my peace with it.

I still hope to add a big, but i don't think we will. Dray at the 5 in RS will wear him down, he's old.


Sorry for Dennis, SloMo and Water, all great guys it seems, but i think they are additions by substraction.

This being said so i can say "i told you so", let's hope for the best.

What’s the risk? A 25 1st?

[Zvaart]

I don't like it still, i think the risk is greater than the reward, but i made my peace with it.

I still hope to add a big, but i don't think we will. Dray at the 5 in RS will wear him down, he's old.


Sorry for Dennis, SloMo and Water, all great guys it seems, but i think they are additions by substraction.

This being said so i can say "i told you so", let's hope for the best.

What’s the risk? A 25 1st?

60 millions per for 2 years. Now Add Steph and do the math.

[xdrta+]

I don't like it still, i think the risk is greater than the reward, but i made my peace with it.

I still hope to add a big, but i don't think we will. Dray at the 5 in RS will wear him down, he's old.


Sorry for Dennis, SloMo and Water, all great guys it seems, but i think they are additions by substraction.

This being said so i can say "i told you so", let's hope for the best.

What’s the risk? A 25 1st?

60 millions per for 2 years. Now Add Steph and do the math.

Could you explain what math you mean? As far as I can see, replacing Wiggins and Anderson with Butler raises their cap total by about $17M to start the '25 off season. They still have trade decisions, decisions on Kuminga, etc., but that was all there anyway. They were going to be over the cap and flirting with the first Apron no matter what. Seems to me that Butler's contract changes very little.

[Romulus]

Let's all reflect a little now that we've actually seen Jimmy in a Warrior uniform and what that means. The OP was right in one obvious way: getting Jimmy makes this team better. A lot better. It's too bad we had to give up Wiggins, though. I wish it would have been Draymond instead. Regardless, Jimmy opens up the floor for the Warriors offense. They no longer are just a (bad) 3 point shooting team. He gets fouled, he makes free throws. He's also a very good passer and these guys need to be ready to take open 10 foot shots (and make them). What does he do for Curry? Steph can't be doubled as much. It just opens up the entire court for everyone.

Starting Buddy is still an absolute killer, poison pill. They've got to find a 2 guard out there (Smart, Brown) or start Moody instead (who didn't have a good game at all against the Bulls). I think that's an even weaker spot than the center position.

Don't we all wish they'd made one more move at the deadline? Geez. Could have actually made some noise this season.

Bottom line, with Jimmy, everyone is better. Steph now has help and looks more like himself again. They're suddenly watchable again.

Hate giving up a good player like Wiggins, but in order to get better sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and be willing to make difficult choices.

They still need some help. It's unlikely they'll get any in the buyout market but let's hope they pull off a surprise.

[Zvaart]

What’s the risk? A 25 1st?

60 millions per for 2 years. Now Add Steph and do the math.

Could you explain what math you mean? As far as I can see, replacing Wiggins and Anderson with Butler raises their cap total by about $17M to start the '25 off season. They still have trade decisions, decisions on Kuminga, etc., but that was all there anyway. They were going to be over the cap and flirting with the first Apron no matter what. Seems to me that Butler's contract changes very little.

it means you are paying 17 millions more to ONE player instead of two, a player who will be soon 36 and is injury prone. and 17 millions is a lot in our current cap situation. so high risk. i don't know how can you say it is changing very little.

[xdrta+]

60 millions per for 2 years. Now Add Steph and do the math.

Could you explain what math you mean? As far as I can see, replacing Wiggins and Anderson with Butler raises their cap total by about $17M to start the '25 off season. They still have trade decisions, decisions on Kuminga, etc., but that was all there anyway. They were going to be over the cap and flirting with the first Apron no matter what. Seems to me that Butler's contract changes very little.

it means you are paying 17 millions more to ONE player instead of two, a player who will be soon 36 and is injury prone. and 17 millions is a lot in our current cap situation. so high risk. i don't know how can you say it is changing very little.

We were talking about math, now you're bringing in Butler's age and injuries. Separate issue. With those two instead of Butler they were over the cap to start the off-season. Unless you're talking about letting Kuminga walk for nothing, dumping a big salary, and generally blowing it up and re-building (a legit point of view, of course) there was no way next season was going to be much different, cap-wise.

[Zvaart]

Could you explain what math you mean? As far as I can see, replacing Wiggins and Anderson with Butler raises their cap total by about $17M to start the '25 off season. They still have trade decisions, decisions on Kuminga, etc., but that was all there anyway. They were going to be over the cap and flirting with the first Apron no matter what. Seems to me that Butler's contract changes very little.

it means you are paying 17 millions more to ONE player instead of two, a player who will be soon 36 and is injury prone. and 17 millions is a lot in our current cap situation. so high risk. i don't know how can you say it is changing very little.

We were talking about math, now you're bringing in Butler's age and injuries. Separate issue. With those two instead of Butler they were over the cap to start the off-season. Unless you're talking about letting Kuminga walk for nothing, dumping a big salary, and generally blowing it up and re-building (a legit point of view, of course) there was no way next season was going to be much different, cap-wise.

if you have bothered to read the posts before you would have notice that the discussion started from risk/reward.

try reading again then get back to me. those things are linked, you know?


if you think investing 55 millions into an old, injury-prone player does not come with a risk, what can i say?

or if you think you can trade jimmy if things go south as easy as you could have done wiggs or even kyle, think again.

pat riley was reluctant to give him the money he asked for. we did it out of disperation, and it's fine. we took a chance. but still it presents a great risk.

[bay2hk]

Getting Jimmy was better than doing nothing. Keeping wiggins and Anderson would have been the higher risk. The risk being mediocre for 3 more years.

[xdrta+]

it means you are paying 17 millions more to ONE player instead of two, a player who will be soon 36 and is injury prone. and 17 millions is a lot in our current cap situation. so high risk. i don't know how can you say it is changing very little.

We were talking about math, now you're bringing in Butler's age and injuries. Separate issue. With those two instead of Butler they were over the cap to start the off-season. Unless you're talking about letting Kuminga walk for nothing, dumping a big salary, and generally blowing it up and re-building (a legit point of view, of course) there was no way next season was going to be much different, cap-wise.

if you have bothered to read the posts before you would have notice that the discussion started from risk/reward.

try reading again then get back to me. those things are linked, you know?


if you think investing 55 millions into an old, injury-prone player does not come with a risk, what can i say?

or if you think you can trade jimmy if things go south as easy as you could have done wiggs or even kyle, think again.

pat riley was reluctant to give him the money he asked for. we did it out of disperation, and it's fine. we took a chance. but still it presents a great risk.

So in spite of saying, "do the math", you can't actually do the math yourself. OK.

[floppymoose]

I will give the FO this: if i dont get to choose rebuild and have to lose Wiggins for one of KD, Butler, Lavine, or Vuc…. I would pick Butler every time.