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Post#21 » by Upperclass » Fri May 9, 2025 3:37 pm

At this point you go with Podz, Hield, Kuminga, Jimmy, Draymond but I think GPII would be a better fit with that group. Podz isnt shooting any better and doesnt bring the defense or vertical athleticism that GPII has. Let Jimmy and Dray bring the ball up and play through drives and dives to the hoop.
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Post#22 » by WarriorGM » Fri May 9, 2025 4:00 pm

There seem to be 4 foundational players: Butler, Hield, Draymond, and Podziemski. Butler, Draymond, and Podziemski are the team's superior playmakers and Hield is the team's superior shooter. At least two of them have to be on the court all the time or you will have a losing lineup. Having all 4 on the floor tends to lead to a lineup superior to the one the Wolves field but not always (the glaring exception in the last game was the starting lineup with Post as the 5th man which went -13 although it did go +4 in Game 1). Having all 4 off led to -10 in 3 minutes.

Looney and GPII are probably playable despite a disastrous 3 minutes in the last game but like all the non-foundational players they need to be with two of the 4 foundational players to be effective. It makes sense to sub them in when Draymond or Butler take a break. Looney has had good results with Podz the whole year and Kuminga has been playable with them too. Add Hield for shooting to complement Kuminga driving and I think that is a solid lineup for when Butler and or Draymond need to rest.
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Re: game 2-4 starting line up? 

Post#23 » by cpower » Fri May 9, 2025 4:58 pm

our worst defensive player in the series so far:

JK : 119 Drtg
Moody: 120 Drtg
TJD: 115 Drtg

some tough decisions have to be made, g3 could be a disaster.
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Post#24 » by jozef » Fri May 9, 2025 6:46 pm

Tough task.
Green and Butler are leaders.
Hield can shoot.
Podz sets good screens.

With Curry out I would lean more on athletic guys. Maybe I choose to shut down Post and Looney till Steph is out.

PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 20 Butler 20 Kuminga 8
PF Butler 16 Kuminga 24 Green 8
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20
or
PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 18 Butler 20 Kuminga 10
PF Butler 14 Kuminga 18 Santos 10 Green 6
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20
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Post#25 » by WarriorGM » Fri May 9, 2025 11:39 pm

jozef wrote:Tough task.
Green and Butler are leaders.
Hield can shoot.
Podz sets good screens.

With Curry out I would lean more on athletic guys. Maybe I choose to shut down Post and Looney till Steph is out.

PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 20 Butler 20 Kuminga 8
PF Butler 16 Kuminga 24 Green 8
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20
or
PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 18 Butler 20 Kuminga 10
PF Butler 14 Kuminga 18 Santos 10 Green 6
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20


Looney was +4 in Game 1. +3 without Steph in that game. In Game 2 the -10 in 3 minutes coincided with all 4 of Butler, Draymond, Hield and Podz resting.
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Post#26 » by Upperclass » Sat May 10, 2025 12:35 am

I think Pat Spencer has more to offer than what he's shown so far. He cant shoot, but he can pass, can get to the cup, has good touch at the rim and can move his feet on the non-ant players. He's also not afraid of the moment.. he just has zero game experience thus far.
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Post#27 » by Samurai » Sat May 10, 2025 1:08 am

jozef wrote:Tough task.
Green and Butler are leaders.
Hield can shoot.
Podz sets good screens.

With Curry out I would lean more on athletic guys. Maybe I choose to shut down Post and Looney till Steph is out.

PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 20 Butler 20 Kuminga 8
PF Butler 16 Kuminga 24 Green 8
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20
or
PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 18 Butler 20 Kuminga 10
PF Butler 14 Kuminga 18 Santos 10 Green 6
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20

Don't want to see Moody starting unless Kerr has decided to punt g3 as well. Dude has zero confidence right now and we don't need another guy getting big minutes who is afraid to shoot - Podz is giving us boatloads of tentativeness already.
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Post#28 » by jozef » Sat May 10, 2025 8:01 am

My point is that we need more athletic fluidity. Any stiffness could lead to trouble. Moody should attack the basket, he is the only perimeter player able to do it.
Wolves are the weakest team in the West Semis. Gobert has bad hands, Randle does not move that well, Edwards has low bb IQ, Conley is average at best. Reid is pretty good though.
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Post#29 » by Upperclass » Sat May 10, 2025 11:49 am

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Post#30 » by chococo » Sat May 10, 2025 2:35 pm

I actually think Moody should start because he plays better when he's in the starting lineup. We need to get his confidence back; putting him back in the starting five would help. I also think Looney should start as well as we need rim protection. Just my opinion. Go Warriors!
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Post#31 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sat May 10, 2025 7:15 pm

Upperclass wrote:I think Pat Spencer has more to offer than what he's shown so far. He cant shoot, but he can pass, can get to the cup, has good touch at the rim and can move his feet on the non-ant players. He's also not afraid of the moment.. he just has zero game experience thus far.

He needs to inflict that lacrosse physicality on the Wolves as much as possible. He's at his worst when he's just trying to be a floor general getting everyone involved. It's a nice sentiment, being a team player, but his strength is bully balling his way to the bucket. Hopefully after getting his feet wet, he can feel his force and start dishing out some physicality.
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Post#32 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 12, 2025 9:14 pm

Live or die with Kuminga and his low basketball IQ. Kuminga can play good 1 on 1 defense on Edwards or LeBron. By putting Kuminga on the best score, you hide Kuminga’s inability to understand team basketball. If Kuminga fails to help off of Edwards That’s OK if Kuminga sticks to Edwards like it is a box and one.

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Post#33 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 12, 2025 9:16 pm

Put Kuming on Edwards as the 1 in a box and 1 on Edwards. Make somebody other than Edwards beat us.
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Post#34 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 12, 2025 9:25 pm

Samurai wrote:
jozef wrote:Tough task.
Green and Butler are leaders.
Hield can shoot.
Podz sets good screens.

With Curry out I would lean more on athletic guys. Maybe I choose to shut down Post and Looney till Steph is out.

PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 20 Butler 20 Kuminga 8
PF Butler 16 Kuminga 24 Green 8
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20
or
PG Podziemski 34 Payton 14
SG Hield 34 Moody 14
SF Moody 18 Butler 20 Kuminga 10
PF Butler 14 Kuminga 18 Santos 10 Green 6
C Green 28 Jackson-Davis 20

Don't want to see Moody starting unless Kerr has decided to punt g3 as well. Dude has zero confidence right now and we don't need another guy getting big minutes who is afraid to shoot - Podz is giving us boatloads of tentativeness already.
Podz is shooting enough but he is hesitating on his shots because he does not want to be the shooter The hesitation shooting is making Podz miss his shots.
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Post#35 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 12, 2025 9:29 pm

Podz anit the shooter But Podz is doing everything else and pods is burning energy and forcing Wolves to expend energy.


Pods plus Chris Mullin’s size and shooting ability would be a superstar.
Chris Mullin with Podz driving ability and ball handling and rebounding knack and hustle would be a superstar.
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Post#36 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Mon May 12, 2025 9:41 pm

jozef wrote:My point is that we need more athletic fluidity. Any stiffness could lead to trouble. Moody should attack the basket, he is the only perimeter player able to do it.
Wolves are the weakest team in the West Semis. Gobert has bad hands, Randle does not move that well, Edwards has low bb IQ, Conley is average at best. Reid is pretty good though.

If Modi is not knocking down, open threes I don’t want them on the floor.

We had hoped that Moodys on length plus his foot speed would amount to something, but it didn’t amount to anything on offense or defense.

I would go to Kuminga and put Kuminga on Edwards, which stops Kuminga from having to figure out help defense because if you put him on Edwards in a box and one and he can just be and one guy that never leaves Edwards then Kuminga’s little basketball, IQ will not be a problem on defense.
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Post#37 » by jozef » Tue May 13, 2025 5:39 am

My point is that Moody is a bridge from guards to bigs. Someone like Jordan was or say Edwards is. Inevitable part of the lineup. We miss that type of player in the rotation. An aoutside threat with a slasher abilities. His game will come along.
Butler at this stage of his career is more mehodical type of pounding wing, Kuminga is more paint oriented.
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Post#38 » by WarriorGM » Tue May 13, 2025 5:46 am

jozef wrote:My point is that Moody is a bridge from guards to bigs. Someone like Jordan was or say Edwards is. Inevitable part of the lineup. We miss that type of player in the rotation. An aoutside threat with a slasher abilities. His game will come along.
Butler at this stage of his career is more mehodical type of pounding wing, Kuminga is more paint oriented.


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Post#39 » by jozef » Tue May 13, 2025 5:57 am

I see Santos (.330 3P5%) as PF, more in role of Green or Kuminga style, or SF as Butler - while Moody (.374 3P%) is SG or undersized SF.
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Post#40 » by cpower » Wed May 14, 2025 4:22 am

I am wondering if TJD gets start tomorrow again

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