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Post#21 » by GSWhoopfan » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:54 pm

also its not a matter of passing and shooting...its a matter of winning. C.J. contributes to our victories.
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Post#22 » by FNQ » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:00 pm

Hopper15 wrote:I think all of this is coming from Payton's camp.


I tend to agree... used to be the whole block knew what was going on before, I dont know how word always leaked... the MIL trade, the BOS signing, the Lakers... we were always in the loop. Now all we hear is crickets... I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post#23 » by FNQ » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:07 pm

I'll be a CJ hater again... sorry again for those offended by the truth...

CJ's not a PG... never has been, never will be. He's got about the 5th or 6th best court vision on the team. He has proven time and again that the only assists he will get are garbage time assists and passes to wide open players for 3s...

At the end of the Bucks game, CJ the PG cracked me up... wanted to get the ball to Beli, drove weakside and tried to pass over the entire MIL defense... high schoolers get benched for that crap...

CJ was brought into score. Unfortunately he doesn't move without the ball well enough to be a legit factor, and he's not quick/good enough to draw fouls consistently either... while he has some potential in our offense, you wonder if we couldn't just pull another good shooter from anywhere and call them a PG too.

And dont even start with me on defense.... CJ's about as essential to our success as Pattycakes is.
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Post#24 » by Carl_Monday » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:20 pm

Whatever happened to Aaron Miles? Dude wasn't that great, but at least he never played outside of his strengths and at least he could run the offense. Isn't that all we really need right now from a 3rd string PG along with decent enough D?

Edit: I always hate posting about this topic for fear of McDew showing up, because we said "backup PG" a few times. The guy is seriously like

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Post#25 » by turk3d » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:27 pm

Right now Stephen Jackson is our second best assist man and Monta (who's not really a point gets 3-5 a game). Even Belli would get more assists than CJ. To me what defines a point guards is his ability to not just pass to his teammates, but to get scores off those passes. Reggae is right, the way CJ's played, he's not really playing like a point guard which is why I'd prefer someone like GP over him. We've got shooters on this team, they're a dime a dozen. Basically we don't have a real point to back up Baron and although we're doing pretty good without one, I'd think we'd be a little bit better with one. Does he have the ability to play like a "true" point? Maybe so, but I haven't seen it thus far. He's got the speed and the quickness, and his handles seem ok, so I don't know why he isn't more adept at his passing skills. Some of you talk about Monta not making it because he's too small to make it 2 and not skilled enough at the point, then CJ might as well forget it pretty much.
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Post#26 » by WarFan » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:47 pm

Carl_Monday wrote:I always hate posting about this topic for fear of McDew showing up, because we said "backup PG" a few times. The guy is seriously like

Candyman

or BeatleJuice

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RealGM poster form. :D

Luckily for you, Dew got waived.
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Post#27 » by Carl_Monday » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:49 pm

WarFan wrote:Luckily for you, Dew got waived.


:lol:
Really? What did he do? He was never really offensive, just really really annoying and unbelievably dense.
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Post#28 » by WarFan » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:56 pm

Carl_Monday wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



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Really? What did he do? He was never really offensive, just really really annoying and unbelievably dense.

Not sure.
Floppy mentioned it in the Aruond the NBA thread a couple weeks ago, but no one seemed to know why. I didn't think he was that bad either but he probably posted on the wrong board a few too many times.
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Post#29 » by FNQ » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:59 pm

Take a guess which boards were the wrong ones :lol:

Probably the 2 boards W's fans are least welcome at... and no, not LAL..
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Post#30 » by WarFan » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:04 pm

I know that I wouldn't dream of posting on the Sac board, those F&^*ers are crazy sensitive. I'd guess Indiana is the other one, although I posted there a couple times over the summer. It actually had nothing to do with the trade, but the replies were ridiculously rude and unreasonable. I think it's calmed down over their some now, but I still won't post there.
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Post#31 » by turk3d » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:10 pm

I prefer to "stick to my own kind" and won't venture out much beyond the trade board and occasionally the comparison board. lol.
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Post#32 » by FaTaL » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:31 pm

leave the fossil where he is
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Post#33 » by mistatwo mayn » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:36 pm

I like CJ, and he does SET UP players well. He does make that "extra pass" and understands getting spot up shooters square.

Though I haven't seen him deliver anything close to the hoop, that's fine. He's fast enough that Baron can guard the slow guy and do his thing.

CJ has one advantage over GP which is his shot. He's got a Kleenx Azibuke (whom I think will only get resigned for like 1 mill) stroke.

GP is dope. I think him defending a slower guy is fine, and it should be good with him there. He'll make the team even more competitive, make the youngin's work harder, and even jokingly stated prior here, make the bigs better.

Or at least their BBIQ in the sense as to where to cut.

Best GP quote? Someone after a game runs up to him with a gun and everyone is running out or something, then they ask him about it later like "why didn't you run?" He says "man I'm from East Oakland, it aint nothing new"
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It was something along those lines (it's actually pretty terrible).
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Post#34 » by Golden State » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:13 pm

I'd like a guy that can be backup 2-4 years for some continuity. BD could move on at the end of the season so I don't see GP as all that valuable to us.

If we are doing this "for Gary" sign him to 10 day contracts and do a nice promoted sendoff.

I see Lue, Stoudemire, Lowry, Aroyo, Blake, JJack, ...just so many players that could be a 2-3 year addition, ...yeah a couple are 1 year guys but sign & trades happen.

Who helps us most is the question here.
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Post#35 » by -bob- » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:06 am

I'm with LF, SAM would be perfect, he plays big, can post up, pass, shoot, he can play alongside Monta while Baron rests, and help finish games.
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Post#36 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:24 am

Sam is great but I'd have to imagine he'd be difficult to get.
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Post#37 » by Mylie10 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:33 am

I'm thinking the trade exception might be very attractive to the clips.

They have Livingston coming back next year with Brand (unless he opts out).

They have Kaman. They have a nice young player in Thorton. Mobley will still be there, so the money might be something they'd like along with a pick.

Sam is the one PG out there that is rumored, affordable, and hits big time shots. He's still got enough left in the tank to make a great addition for a team making a run.

I'll sign off on the Payton addition after it's a for sure no with Sam.
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Post#38 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:50 am

Is a pick worth a part-season rental? Does LA deal with the Warriors? Does Dun Sr. help Nellie? He makes $6.15 mil. Not sure how that would effect the cap this year. Also would Sam be a backup? He's planning on starting alongside Carmelo and AI next season.

edit: also I believe the Clips are (a little) under the luxury tax threshold, so it's not as important that they shed slary.
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Post#39 » by bballguy50 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:49 am

I would rather use the TE on David Lee. I mean dam NY has to shed some serious cap, so they would have to at least consider our TE for Lee. But is that even realistic for us?
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Post#40 » by Sid the Squid » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:14 am

This roster of ours only needs a vet big PG...There's plenty of talent up front in O'Bierovic, Wright and Harrington...No need for a 6'8 PF with zero shooting skillzzzz...

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