Biedrins needs a new coach

Twinkie defense · Post #21 » by **Twinkie defense** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:37 am

Everyone would like Biedrins to be a more integral part of the offense, but he's got to develop some low post moves first. He looks great in the pick and roll (which teams have been keying on more), and his hands and quickness enable him to get a lot of putback shots. But did anyone else notice when they fed him in the post to go against Jefferson yesterday? He ended up working away from the hoop (to probably about 8'), where he bricked a hook shot.

Granted, Beidrins needs to work on his footwork in the post, and on his low post scoring. Part of that may be a lack of strength, maybe the coaches have played a part in not developing that part of his game... but above all else I just think he's young, and that next step in his development can come in time.

Remember it wasn't that long ago that Beidrins was considered SOLELY a defensive player... it's a little too soon to put anyone at fault that he's not Kevin McHale out there this season.

warriorsfan15 · Post #22 » by **warriorsfan15** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:05 am

Biedrins is what he is. He is a double-double guy. 10 ppg and 10 rpg. Biedrins never going to have a low post game. He's a finesse Player and he's soft. Biedrins is like camby but is not as good. Thats why the warriors need a PF. Harrington is more of a SF.Biedrins Will never develop as long as nellie is here.I like Biedrins but he is not as good as chandler who the warriors should have trade for.

mistatwo mayn · Post #23 » by **mistatwo mayn** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:03 am

gswwhoops! wrote:LOL A no-basketball-talent-having-ass blaming another-no-basketball-talent-having-ass-of-a-big-man-coach for Biedrin's development. Funny!

Btw.... Nate Thurmond... same dood with the BBQ place right?

Post #24 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:16 am

warriorsfan15 wrote:Biedrins is what he is. He is a double-double guy. 10 ppg and 10 rpg. Biedrins never going to have a low post game. He's a finesse Player and he's soft. Biedrins is like camby but is not as good. Thats why the warriors need a PF. Harrington is more of a SF.Biedrins Will never develop as long as nellie is here.I like Biedrins but he is not as good as chandler who the warriors should have trade for.

Unless he plays for his Latvian team...

People forget so quickly how effective Biedrins was offensively before coming here... sure his range is limited but his quickness and length get him a lot of open shots.

His offensive footwork is fine, albeit you only see it once or twice a week. And judging him on one shot on Al Jefferson is just completely baseless... he's gotten to the rim on every shot he's taken, and made nice passes when DTs come or weakside help comes..

But Nellie doesn't care... we shouldnt either... 3's are where the wins are.

ajbry · Post #25 » by **ajbry** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:30 am

I don't know about the "made nice passes when DTs come or weakside help comes.." simply because he never dishes it off when he gets the ball on a isolation - and it's not even his fault.

His footwork is alright but his problem is practically the same as Azubuike's - he only gets a couple opportunities to create his own points and rushes a bit, simply because having guys like BD and Jack on the floor make every chance you get an incredibly important one, from a confidence standpoint. So, if he doesn't get great position but is tossed the rock in the post, he's going to shoot it, even if it's a few feet outside of his range and a shot that normally isn't a natural one.

But there's nothing currently in his game that indicates he'll become anything more than a 12-13 PPG scorer. Grabbing a double-double every night ain't no small feat - and although his individual post defense needs some work - Biedrins is a nice fit in many ways.

turk3d · Post #26 » by **turk3d** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:40 am

ajbry wrote:I don't know about the "made nice passes when DTs come or weakside help comes.." simply because he never dishes it off when he gets the ball on a isolation - and it's not even his fault.

His footwork is alright but his problem is practically the same as Azubuike's - he only gets a couple opportunities to create his own points and rushes a bit, simply because having guys like BD and Jack on the floor make every chance you get an incredibly important one, from a confidence standpoint. So, if he doesn't get great position but is tossed the rock in the post, he's going to shoot it, even if it's a few feet outside of his range and a shot that normally isn't a natural one.

But there's nothing currently in his game that indicates he'll become anything more than a 12-13 PPG scorer. Grabbing a double-double every night ain't no small feat - and although his individual post defense needs some work - Biedrins is a nice fit in many ways.

I'd qualify that statement, for this team. killajcatt may be right, if Biedrins was able to get 14-18 shots per game on a consistent basis (which he might be able to on another team), he could average 18-20 a game.

ajbry · Post #27 » by **ajbry** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:47 am

I don't see any scenario in which a team would give him 14-18 shots a game. Currently, Yao leads all centers with about 16, with Amare and Kaman (a one-year thing, obviously) have 14. Guys like Chandler, Camby, and Bynum are all around 8.

Andris will be very lucky to ever eclipse 10+ shot attempts per game and I would assume his FG% would drop a bit given the fact more of the shots would be of his own doing rather than pick-and-rolls and putbacks.

Twinkie defense · Post #28 » by **Twinkie defense** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:50 am

Amazingly, one of the things I'd like to see Beidrins do a little more of is dribble penetrate from the perimeter to the rim. He can dribble the ball! He's even run the break a couple times lately, where he grabbed the board, dribbled to near mid-court and hit Ellis in stride for one on one baskets.

turk3d · Post #29 » by **turk3d** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:56 pm

ajbry wrote:I don't see any scenario in which a team would give him 14-18 shots a game. Currently, Yao leads all centers with about 16, with Amare and Kaman (a one-year thing, obviously) have 14. Guys like Chandler, Camby, and Bynum are all around 8.

Andris will be very lucky to ever eclipse 10+ shot attempts per game and I would assume his FG% would drop a bit given the fact more of the shots would be of his own doing rather than pick-and-rolls and putbacks.

Right, which is my point, he won't be given the chance, but he could and yes, his fg % probably would go down but he'd still shoot over 50% which would give him the 18-20 a game in addition to his customary double-double. The fact that he is now able to make his free throws on a pretty consistent basis (would start getting more calls) is what would put him in that scoring category. Biedrins is a very skilled big man and I have no doubt that he will eventually develop a solid mid-range game once he puts his mind to working on it, as a matter of fact I believe with a little practice and maybe a few plays set up by the coaches for him (a screen now and then), he could hit a few of those shots right now.