Artest for the trade exception is a better deal

[Twinkie defense]

As unsexy and as unpromising as it is for the playoffs this season, it's probably best that the Warriors make no trades. The future is not now for the Warriors.

[Mylie10]

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So the kings hand Artest to the W's, arguably their biggest rival and division competitor for absolutely nothing? Not a chance, they would keep him the rest of the year and let him opt out if they couldn't find young talent or a 1st...book it.

The Kings don't care what happens this year in the division now.

The Bibby trade confirmed that they are officially in rebuild mode. you don't want Artest around to just let him expire. You get what you can for the future. You get him outta there so the young guys can play.

The trade exception is a tool. They may prefer expiring contracts sure, but the exception can be the next best thing.


I wouldn't give up 2 first rounders, but maybe one.

Artest for the Warriors half season is fine. Artest for one more year after that is a gamble if Nellie's not around. Supposedly Ronnie's looking for a 15 million dollar pay day. If he opts out I'd say thank you for the playoff run and don't let the door hit you.

But it's clear that Ron's defense would push us up a notch as we go into these final 30 games. He likes our guys, I really doubt that chemistry is a problem this year.

Come on......True Warrior!.....It's a fit.

And Hester, why not do what you can this year and still keep your main pieces for the future?

I don't get you sometimes.

[GSWbandwagon]

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This is exactly my point. Getting expirings and a potential lottery pick is one thing, trading straight up for a trade exception is a completely different story. How does that make the kings better? It also isn't good for PR when you trade someone who has the potential to significantly improve a rival, while only receiving literally "thin air" as compensation.

For example, it didn't go over very well with fans when the lakers traded Shaq to Miami(who was not a rival at the time), when that trade resulted in a championship for them, even though the lakers had no plans for competing and ended up in the lottery that same year. If Mitch trades Shaq to Sac that year and they win, he would be lynched.

what's exactly your point? you're arguing two different things. i agree that sac trading artest for absolutely nothing isn't a great move. the assumption is that they'd be offered something of value for a rebuilding team.

the other thing you're arguing is what i think is stupid. who cares what division you trade someone to? in the nba, what division you're in doesn't mean anything except occasionally for getting a 4 seed instead of a 6 seed.

la fans were upset that shaq won a title with miami? who cares? would they be more upset if he got traded to the suns or warriors than to dallas or san antonio? i doubt it but either way, who cares? the gm's goal is to build a championship team. there are two situations where i'd worry about who i'm dealing with. one is if the other gm has a long track record of coming out ahead in deals (don't be the sucker in the deal) and the other is if i'm close to a title and i'm dealing with another team that's close or i'm dealing with a team that is on a similar title contention timeline as i am.

the kings are dealing with a 2-3 month rental of a pretty good player. they need to get the most they can for him. if that comes from someone in the pacific then so be it. the kings' goal needs to be to maximize their assets. division means nothing.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I really can't see them giving up Artest for nothing more than TE, but I don't think it will end up taking much more than that. I do think we're starting to see a pattern where Artest can be very effective in a new situation, until he gets bored, sees something shiny, whatever, and suddenly starts flipping out.

I think the obvious answer is for us to give up someone that is, for practical purposes, not going to be useful/valuable to us going forward, but might be for Sacramento. To me, that means Pietrus and/or O'Bryant. We can trade either one of those for Artest, and I'd throw in a 2nd. This also works, and I'd entertain it:

Artest and Hawes
for
O'Bryant, Pietrus, and a 1st

I don't know if I'd necessarily even expect to keep Artest beyond this year, but I think he could be very helpful in a playoff run, and if it just means giving up POB and/or Pietrus, I don't see them being helpful beyond this year anyway given the circumstances.

[ILOVEIT]

I predicted this three weeks ago...

The Kings will be happy to get Artest off their team...and the 10 Million exception and maybe a second rounder is not a bad option.

[thetrueth]

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Lakers offer was far superior to a trade exception, so if that's what you call "absolute nothing" than I would love to hear what your offer is to the Kings.

Expirings, prospects, multiple picks>>>>>>>>thin air from a division rival.

Kwame's Expiring as$ = trade exception = salary dump.

Multiple picks from mid 20-31.

prospects? prospect, unless Aaron McKie is a prospect.

[killacalijatt]

The TE also gives the Kings a TE also.
So they could actually reuse it in the futere to help their rebuild mode in the future.
This gives the Kings a good trading chip .
Correct?

[rpa]

Artest and Hawes
for
O'Bryant, Pietrus, and a 1st

I don't know if I'd necessarily even expect to keep Artest beyond this year, but I think he could be very helpful in a playoff run, and if it just means giving up POB and/or Pietrus, I don't see them being helpful beyond this year anyway given the circumstances.

The Kings give up Artest AND last years lottery pick (who they actually like) for a scrub, another SF they don't need, and a mid to late 1st? That's just delusional thinking.

Also, the Kings aren't dumping Artest for the trade exception. Since they're trying to CUT salary it does them absolutely no good for the future.

[bynumsbreakout]

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i agree that sac trading artest for absolutely nothing isn't a great move. the assumption is that they'd be offered something of value for a rebuilding team. .

That is my point! You just stated my opinion regarding this thread for me. If the initial poster proposed expirings and pick(s), as opposed to an exception, then you'd be on to something regarding division rivals, assuming the warriors can put together a superior package than anyone else. Guess what? It's not a good package, therefore, it won't happen!

Post this proposal in the kings forum and see what kind of response it gets.

[Sid the Squid]

Kings board is known for their non-homerish approach to possible trades.

[bynumsbreakout]

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Kwame's Expiring as$ = trade exception = salary dump.

Multiple picks from mid 20-31.

prospects? prospect, unless Aaron McKie is a prospect.

multiple picks are better than none, especially for a rebuilding team. McKie? The prospects were Crittenton, who obviously Memphis thinks is a good prospect, because they have been shopping Kyle Lowery around since acquiring Critt. They also received the rights to Marc Gasol, who is currently the best player in the Spanish league, who the lakers planned on bringing over next year. Infinitely better package than a TE.

[Sports_1140]

Theres absolutely no way the kings do this. Theres no reason to.

The kings could get this same deal from an east coast team, add in the fact they could get a better draft pick then the warriors also.

But even if they cant they can get this SAME DEAL from an east coast team.

Theres nothing on the warriors the kings would give up artest for unless it was brandon wright, which the warriors wont, and your 1st round pick is to late.

[Sid the Squid]

Keep him...He has zero trade value...So keep him...I don't know why the Goof Maloof Troop would want to keep him on the roster...but hey..If you can't get anything for Artest? Keep the crazy mtfkr...

Kings are so much better off trading him to us ..We get him for a couple months..You guys get to play Salmons, Garcia and the gang...You guys get a better pick out of it by tanking...But keep him Sac out of spite.

[rpa]

Keep him...He has zero trade value...So keep him...I don't know why the Goof Maloof Troop would want to keep him on the roster...but hey..If you can't get anything for Artest? Keep the crazy mtfkr...

Kings are so much better off trading him to us ..We get him for a couple months..You guys get to play Salmons, Garcia and the gang...You guys get a better pick out of it by tanking...But keep him Sac out of spite.

We could accomplish that by cutting Artest outright.

[Sports_1140]

I know I think its just jealousy. We GET THE SAME THING if we let artest walk, or trade him for that same package to an east coast team.

Hell if we dont trade him, we end up

1) having a chance to get lucky and re-signing him dirt cheap if no one is interested.

2) we have the option of signing and trading him.

Or in WORSE case scenario he walks and we GET THE EXACT same thing we would get from you guys, cap space.

Please dont make it sound like your doing us a favor.

[thetrueth]

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multiple picks are better than none, especially for a rebuilding team. McKie? The prospects were Crittenton, who obviously Memphis thinks is a good prospect, because they have been shopping Kyle Lowery around since acquiring Critt. They also received the rights to Marc Gasol, who is currently the best player in the Spanish league, who the lakers planned on bringing over next year. Infinitely better package than a TE.

If you think the Lakers gave a fair offer for Gasol, you're clearly a laker fan.

LA gave up crap to get, Gasol. Why can't GS give up nothing to get Artest.

[Sports_1140]

La riped off memphis in that deal so damn bad. a huge rip off.

But anyways, artest to the warriors doesnt make sense for the kings. Why trade 2 nickels for a dime?


Thats essentialy what they are doing trading lesser expirings for 1 expiring.

And LIke I said a lot of warriors fans make it sound like your doing us a favor by taking artest.

The deal you give us, is no different then just letting him walk.

[Mylie10]

The difference is that you have a trade chip and a pick. and you get him out of town and start fresh with no Artest distraction.

The idea that you keep him around for the rest of the year is not prudent. Theus and company would prefer to have him go now versus waiting for him to opt out and then make a decision.

You will not resign him for cheap, so that's not viable as an argument.

You will get offers for him and the Trade exception can be good for one year after it's excercised. There's no reason you have to dump it right awayou save it for a good deal or let it expire for future cap space.

So just letting him walk and having him be a distraction until he actually does walk is VERY DIFFERENT than a TE and a pick.

[Sports_1140]

A late round pick isnt worth it sending it to a western team. So that first thing doesnt matter.

2) I would really like to know where you come up witht his oh no matter what he's not re-signing? Where do you come up with this, 2 days ago he just said he backed off trade comments and he has made it clear several tiems that he wouldnt mind retiring with the kings.

So this is YOUR OPINION dont make it sound like its a foregone conclusion.

Next the kings CAN ACTUALLY OFFER HIM MORE MONEY THEN ANY OTHER TEAM Assuming the sixers and charloette (only 2 teams under the cap) dont want him. So once again your point doesn't make sense.

Next where the hell do you keep getting artest is a distraction, or the kings dont want him there or cant wait to have him gone?

This couldnt be further from the truth. This is just you giving your homer opinion about the kings. Cuz everything your saying about that is a CONTRADICTION TO THE TRUTH.

[Mylie10]

I'm sorry 1140.

If you don't accept that there's no way that Artest resigns with the Kings and that having him around on a rebuilding team would be a distraction, then you and I can't have a conversation.

There's a board for people like you.

Oh and if I'd have proposed the ACTUAL ATLANTA trade on the Kings board 2 weeks ago, I'd have been locked the instant I posted it.