Rumour.. Kaman for Beidrins/Harrington

[Chris Porter's Hair]

As a non-biased fan of neither team, I can say with confidence that Chris Kaman is a far superior player to Andris Beidrins. Kaman is a top-5 center, Beidrins is an average starter. I can't the Clippers going for this deal.

You can be non-biased, and also non-correct I think you can make the case that Kaman is better than Biedrins in that he's more proven. But by saying Biedrins is an average starter, you've stepped past the line of credibility.

I wouldn't trade them straight up because I believe in Biedrins' upside (if Nelly remembers he's on the team).

[sipclip]

You might as well lock this thread right now because there is no way in hell the clips trade one of the best low post scorers, rebounders and shotblockers in the league for Biedrins and Harrington.

[BooRadley]

Wow, the rest of the league severely undervalues AB. Guess that's good for us, he won't be getting any max offers this summer.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Yup. If the Clippers turned down Biedrins and Harrington for Kaman, they'd deserve whatever awful fate came their way. And I like Kaman. A lot.

[GSWhoopfan]

Wow, the rest of the league severely undervalues AB. Guess that's good for us, he won't be getting any max offers this summer.

actual GM's know Biedrins has good value, RealGM's dont.

i heard on KNBR around 8:40ish (sounded bogus from Dibbs...i think thats his name)

Brand for Pietrus, Wright, and other stuff ....anyone else hear that.

[BooRadley]

Have you seen the trades this year? Actual GM's don't know crap. It's all about the big names.

Is Brand going to be back this year? Or is he out the entire season? No way Clips make that deal unless they're positive he's opting out this summer. If that's the case, we can't trade BW for a half season rental.

[Bucky O'Hare]

Have you people looked at the numbers Chris Kaman is putting up this year?

16.4 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.0 bpg, 2.0 apg - I'd argue he's been the second best center in the league this year behind only Dwight Howard.

I realize you have an attachment to Biedrins and he looks promising, but his best case scenario is where Kaman is at now. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Kaman gives you a dominant inside force that can take you places in the playoffs, Biedrins does not.

[crzy]

16.4 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.0 bpg, 2.0 apg - I'd argue he's been the second best center in the league this year behind only Dwight Howard.

Don't be ridiculous. Those stats look nice and pretty, but Kaman isn't even the best bigman on his team.

[crzy]

I'd rather keep Beans and Harrington, although this is a stupid made-up rumor.

[turk3d]

Have you people looked at the numbers Chris Kaman is putting up this year?

16.4 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.0 bpg, 2.0 apg - I'd argue he's been the second best center in the league this year behind only Dwight Howard.

I realize you have an attachment to Biedrins and he looks promising, but his best case scenario is where Kaman is at now. It's a no brainer in my opinion. Kaman gives you a dominant inside force that can take you places in the playoffs, Biedrins does not.

That's why you guys are going nowhere this year, lol.

[sipclip]

I'd like to see your record without Baron all season.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I'd like to see your record without Baron all season.

And I'd like to see Kaman's stats with Brand all season...

[turk3d]

Just look at it last year. That's when we made our playoff run, while Baron was sidelined. Kaman isn't sidelined though is he? Now if you were talking about Brand, that would be an entirely different story.

[Mylie10]

The Clippers aren't trading Kaman to us.

The only reason they'd try to deal Brand is if they feel he won't resign.

JO to the Warriors makes zero sense from a money standpoint.

Juan Dixon and Joey Graham for Pietrus.....please.

None of these rumors make any sense.

We have to keep our position to sign Monta and Beans. so please figure that into your so-called deals.

Also it'd be stupid to trade Beans at his current salary. you don't get back equal value.

If we ever were gonna trade him (which I doubt), then you'd only be getting back around 3 million dollars worth of talent. Unless that was for someone like josh smith it makes no sense.

If you sign Beans and Monta and then decide to trade them down the road then you have enough salary that you'll get a quality player back.

[tsherkin]

Kaman is a lot better than Biedrins, period. Biedrins is a nice center who rebounds really well and moves quite well in transition but Kaman has superior rebounding, passing and scoring abilitites and is at worst a comparable shot-blocker, generously speaking.

Is that trade a good one, though?

Not for the Warriors... Kaman is a half-court weapon and the Warriors run way too much; also, Nellie doesn't know anything about using a post player properly, so it'd be a horrible trade for that reason, too, nevermind giving up Harrington, who's still useful.

The combination of Harrington and Biedrins is, at least to the Warriors, more functionally useful than would be Kaman, all considered.

I hope that the deal doesn't go through, the Warriors would be better off standing pat.

[sipclip]

Just look at it last year. That's when we made our playoff run, while Baron was sidelined. Kaman isn't sidelined though is he? Now if you were talking about Brand, that would be an entirely different story.

You guys didn't make your playoff run last year with Baron sidelined. When Baron was injured you guys were a crappy basketball team just like the clips are this year with our best player EB sidelined.

Watch it now, no personal attacks and don't be a troll.

[turk3d]

We were 22-26 (a bad team) when he went out. We held our own until he got back and even when he got back it was a while before he was able to even give us 30 minutes per game. You were comparing Kaman to Baron and there's no comparison. My point is if he is so good and having such a great season why is your team so bad? If he was that important you'd at least think you be making a playoff run but you're not even close. If you want to compare Brand to Baron and the impact he has on your team, I have no argument there. Why don't you go crawl back into that hole you came out of?

[sipclip]

We were 22-26 (a bad team) when he went out. We held our own until he got back and even when he got back it was a while before he was able to even give us 30 minutes per game. You were comparing Kaman to Baron and there's no comparison. My point is if he is so good and having such a great season why is your team so bad? If he was that important you'd at least think you be making a playoff run but you're not even close. If you want to compare Brand to Baron and the impact he has on your team, I have no argument there. Why don't you go crawl back into that hole you came out of?

Once again let me kindly state that you're an idiot. If by going 4-9 without Baron means that you held your own then you're an even bigger idiot. Also if you read my post you would realize that I was comparing Baron being out to Brand being out but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Lastly you obviously know very little about basketball if you think a very good player can carry his team toward a playoff spot by himself. The clips have been destroyed by injuries all year and have never even come close to a healthy roster. I'm sure by using your criteria you wouldn't consider KG an important player because the wolves were bad the last couple of years.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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That's why you guys are going nowhere this year, lol.

He's not a Clippers fan.

[turk3d]

Whatever you say. Who was talking about Brand? We were talking about Kaman. What does that have to do with Baron? Kaman is 26 and Biedrins is not even 22 yet. If you want to compare the two you need to compare them during Kaman's first 3 years. Biedrens last year (his first as a starter) averaged 9.5 and 9.3 a game compared to Kaman's career 10.2 and 8.3. Biedrens is a career 61% fg shooter compared to Kaman who is just 48% (really poor for a Center) and is only shooting 47.7% this year.

Kaman may be having a career year but but Biedrins hasn't even started his career. We'll take Biedrins over Kaman any day of the week you dipclip. The idea that we'd give up BOTH Biedrens and Harrington for Kaman is absurd. Don't come over here with your homerism and expect to be treated with respect and not expect to be responded to accordingly with your name calling. I'd call you a few names myself but we have mods who take care of vermin like you.