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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#201 » by Muggsy Bogues » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:59 pm

Hack-a-Howard was fine in certain situations (like when we wanted to get the last shot of the half), but as soon as he started hitting them (and at one point he had a streak where he went 9 of 11), it should've been abandoned. As is, we ended up fouling out at least two players who really could've helped up seal the deal at the end of the game. Poor coaching.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#202 » by Amazing Curry » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:08 pm

If we had Kwame, we wouldn't be using that hack-a-Dwight that much. The fact of the matter was we only had one center and he was playing injured. Lee tried to front Howard a few times, but it ended up creating an open paint area for other players to drive the ball. And a few times Howard just maneuvered his way back into the post again. Jackson had to find a way to stop the Magic from running their offense, which is usually give to Dwight and if he gets doubled, he finds an open 3-point shooter.

Personally, I didn't agree with Jackson's strategy. It forced us to execute our half-court offense and ours suck. I would have liked to see the crash double-team that Nellie used to use against Dirk. But thinking about it and trying to make sense of things, if we had doubled, even if we were able to rotate and cover the shooters, they had 2 shooters in Turk and Anderson that just towered over our defenders, and can easily just shoot over them if they have a tiny opening.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#203 » by WTF_GSW » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:19 pm

Amazing Curry wrote:If we had Kwame, we wouldn't be using that hack-a-Dwight that much. The fact of the matter was we only had one center and he was playing injured. Lee tried to front Howard a few times, but it ended up creating an open paint area for other players to drive the ball. And a few times Howard just maneuvered his way back into the post again. Jackson had to find a way to stop the Magic from running their offense, which is usually give to Dwight and if he gets doubled, he finds an open 3-point shooter.

Personally, I didn't agree with Jackson's strategy. It forced us to execute our half-court offense and ours suck. I would have liked to see the crash double-team that Nellie used to use against Dirk. But thinking about it and trying to make sense of things, if we had doubled, even if we were able to rotate and cover the shooters, they had 2 shooters in Turk and Anderson that just towered over our defenders, and can easily just shoot over them if they have a tiny opening.


my point exactly.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#204 » by turk3d » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:37 pm

Only saw the first half and from what I could tell, Biedrins was doing a decent job on Dwignt (I believe both his blocks were on Dwight, although I think he may have had a few more that he wasn't given credit for, what else is new?). As I believe it was Sleepy said, these strategies are ok to use in certain circumstances, but you need to stop when it's not working (mainly if the hack-a-dude is making a significant amount of them).i

Not to mention that it practically fouled out all our bigs which we were short on already. One thing that Jackson seems to be pretty weak on for the most part is game time adjustments. He tries (in this tried with the Hack-a-Dwight) but failed to adjust when it was clearly not working and getting our bigs into foul trouble. What I really don't get is why he didn't use Tyler more if all his intentions were to foul Dwight. That's another 5 fouls that he could have used up.

I'll never forget the game a few years back when Nellie (who had BWright in his doghouse as usual) brought him the game to intentionally foul Shaq and the look that Shaq gave him. It looked like Nellie was trying to get him killed. I just hope Jackson has a fast learning curve because he clearly doesn't know what he's doing when it come to certain things out there in particular his play calling and his use of smallball for too long of a time.

Maybe if he had Kwame (and the dept at Center before he got hurt) then this strategy might have made more sense (and even worked). Having to real Centers pounding on him for the entire might have made a difference and not a couple of lightweights in Udoh and Lee. Hey, I hear Rasheed *Give me 3 ft: Wallace may be making a comeback. What about trying to get him?
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WTF? 

Post#205 » by radtech » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:48 pm

Instead of challenging Howard, the GSWs sent him to the line 39 times. Why not attack him off the dribble, get him into pick and roll situations, make him move his feet? Try to get him into foul trouble.
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Re: WTF? 

Post#206 » by Jester_ » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:54 pm

There's a bunch of threads talking about this.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#207 » by coldgrip1 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:07 am

The hack a Dwight wasn't a bad idea. I have no idea what the fuss is about. He shot a little better and got over 50%. It was clear that Dwight was going to score 50 last night with or without those free throws. He was tossing Udoh and David Lee around like rag dolls. The hack didn't win us the game nor cost us the game. Get over it.

That wasn't the reason why we lost the game. We didn't execute down the stretch and missed a couple (questionable shots).

Orlando was just the better team last night and we missed key players. Let's move on.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#208 » by Jester_ » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:06 am

coldgrip1 wrote:The hack a Dwight wasn't a bad idea. I have no idea what the fuss is about. He shot a little better and got over 50%. It was clear that Dwight was going to score 50 last night with or without those free throws. He was tossing Udoh and David Lee around like rag dolls. The hack didn't win us the game nor cost us the game. Get over it.

That wasn't the reason why we lost the game. We didn't execute down the stretch and missed a couple (questionable shots).

Orlando was just the better team last night and we missed key players. Let's move on.



It's a bad idea because it didn't work out. It's always been odd to me how fervent people seem to be about something AFTER it happens. I didn't see that kind of moping when we used it on DJ, who IIRC is shooting FT's at the same clip as Dwight this season.
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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#209 » by WTF_GSW » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:16 am

coldgrip1 wrote:The hack a Dwight wasn't a bad idea. I have no idea what the fuss is about. He shot a little better and got over 50%. It was clear that Dwight was going to score 50 last night with or without those free throws. He was tossing Udoh and David Lee around like rag dolls. The hack didn't win us the game nor cost us the game. Get over it.

That wasn't the reason why we lost the game. We didn't execute down the stretch and missed a couple (questionable shots).

Orlando was just the better team last night and we missed key players. Let's move on.



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Re: Orlando vs. GSW 

Post#210 » by WTF_GSW » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:18 am

Jester_ wrote:
coldgrip1 wrote:The hack a Dwight wasn't a bad idea. I have no idea what the fuss is about. He shot a little better and got over 50%. It was clear that Dwight was going to score 50 last night with or without those free throws. He was tossing Udoh and David Lee around like rag dolls. The hack didn't win us the game nor cost us the game. Get over it.

That wasn't the reason why we lost the game. We didn't execute down the stretch and missed a couple (questionable shots).

Orlando was just the better team last night and we missed key players. Let's move on.



It's a bad idea because it didn't work out. It's always been odd to me how fervent people seem to be about something AFTER it happens. I didn't see that kind of moping when we used it on DJ, who IIRC is shooting FT's at the same clip as Dwight this season.



Having Beans, Lee and Udoh guard him didnt work either. So I guess that was a bad idea too since we lost.

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