Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

[Mylie10]

So now we have to battle things like his neck is to long and he has stubby arms?

His wingspan is 6' 11 1/4"....that's not huge nut not bad either considering he's 6' 8" ....hardly stubby.

Both Klay and Barnes were number one options in college...but Barnes played on a much bigger stage against better overall competition night in night out.....it explains his poise in the NBA.....he's not making many mistakes out there either.

Klay is quite a bit older and shouldn't be making those mental mistakes he does, but he's improving. Get to the Ft line and cut down on mistakes and then wow will we be talking about something good.

[Mylie10]

I think part of that can be explained by their collegiate careers. Harden came in with a pedigree and scouts gushing over his star ability. It was disappointing to see Harden have pedestrian numbers his first year especially when taken 3rd overall that year. Harden's college numbers definitely backed up what scouts were projecting.

Barnes didn't have the same pedigree coming out of college as many scouts were mixed over his long term potential. Yes, he has all the physical traits you look for but his college production seemed lacking for two years. All the same knocks we have now are pretty much his same knocks in college. He's not trash, don't get me wrong--but comparing Harden and Barnes is really, really unfair to both Harden and Barnes.

I'm not sure why they were compared in the first place..

Barnes college teams were stacked and although he was the main scorer, there were way more options on that team compared to Hardens....its not really mentioned much as a reason to why he didn't score more.....he's a team ball player and not a selfish me first guy at this point. But he has all the tools to be a first or second option....we just don't need that right now.

[Onus]

So now we have to battle things like his neck is to long and he has stubby arms?

His wingspan is 6' 11 1/4"....that's not huge nut not bad either considering he's 6' 8" ....hardly stubby.

He has a nice wingspan but his length of only having a 8'5.5'' standing reach is troublesome, thus the stubby comment. Not sure where his wingspan goes when he goes straight up.

I like where Barnes currently is, 4th/5th option. Idk if a team would like what he can do as a 1st option. Maybe a good 2nd option as a ceiling.

[510TWSS]

I think part of that can be explained by their collegiate careers. Harden came in with a pedigree and scouts gushing over his star ability. It was disappointing to see Harden have pedestrian numbers his first year especially when taken 3rd overall that year. Harden's college numbers definitely backed up what scouts were projecting.

Barnes didn't have the same pedigree coming out of college as many scouts were mixed over his long term potential. Yes, he has all the physical traits you look for but his college production seemed lacking for two years. All the same knocks we have now are pretty much his same knocks in college. He's not trash, don't get me wrong--but comparing Harden and Barnes is really, really unfair to both Harden and Barnes.

I'm not sure why they were compared in the first place..

Barnes college teams were stacked and although he was the main scorer, there were way more options on that team compared to Hardens....its not really mentioned much as a reason to why he didn't score more.....he's a team ball player and not a selfish me first guy at this point. But he has all the tools to be a first or second option....we just don't need that right now.

Well, I think that's one chasm in this debate between the opposing opinions. Do you think Barnes can be a #1 or 2 type scorer on a good team? From what I've seen I'd be very hesitant to make that claim. For what he's shown, and who he's been in college has been underwhelming. The UNC argument was that Zellar and Henson clogged the lane so Barnes couldn't drive as effectively. Barnes started out hot his sophomore year with good volume and efficiency, but by the end of the season he was back down to mediocre efficiency and his team faded down the stretch after Marshall went down. If anything, I'd say the loss of Marshall effected HB more. Barnes, when asked to create for himself really underwhelmed and usually settled for a jumpshot.

Now, in the NBA I think the spacing has helped him and he's taking advantage of driving lanes more than he had in November. I'd like to see his efficiency on drives in a half court setting without the transition buckets added and the amount of times he's assisted.

Like you said though, he has the physical traits for a first option player, but his game needs serious improvement to the point I'm unsure he ever reaches that potential. He's going to have to work on all facets of his game. That's why I'd temper my expectations of Barnes. It wouldn't be a disappointment nor a surprise if he ends up a quality role playing 3rd or 4th option offensively with average to slightly above defense. Useful player still.

[Onus]

When will people realize that Barnes does not have the physical traits for a first option player. There isn't one thing about Barnes that people should fear when he has the ball in his hands. His ability to put someone on a poster, is usually off of off ball movement. I wonder if he didn't have so many highlight dunks, how many fans would still like him.

[FNQ]

I dont think Barnes ever had the traits... he's got a very slim shot at it, but I can't even envision it happening. The handles, vision, jumper, and passing are just too raw. The saving grace is that he has a great work ethic reportedly and may significantly improve over the offseason(s).

That said, Barnes paired with RJ or Biedrins next year should be able to fetch us something nice, and I definitely think we should be exploring those options.

[Onus]

who would we want though? What position would you look to add to? Do you not want to see if we could lure LBJ away from the heat 2014? haha

I think for me, I would want to look to add another big

[whocurrz]

When will people realize that Barnes does not have the physical traits for a first option player. There isn't one thing about Barnes that people should fear when he has the ball in his hands. His ability to put someone on a poster, is usually off of off ball movement. I wonder if he didn't have so many highlight dunks, how many fans would still like him.

I have been defending him the past couple days and don't think he can be a #1 option. I'm hoping him and Klay can eventually both be 3rd/4th options based on who is shooting better, with both providing different aspects to our offense. I think it's important that we have a wing that can go to the hoop strong as Klay and Steph both seem to be more effective on the perimeter. Barnes NEEDS to start backdoor cutting more often though. I don't care about dunks but we currently don't have anyone on the team that takes it to the paint and I'm confident they're going to finish. If he could play like a younger Rudy Gay (before the contract) when he attacked the basket more than shooting long 2s, he'd be a good asset to this offense and solid 3rd/4th option. The guy already has a solid jumpshot to fall back on, but learning to attack first and pick his spots is something that the teams seems to have planned for him and he seems to be trying to embrace. We all just have to hope he improves his handles and defense so this can come to fruition and have studs all around the perimeter.

[FNQ]

I'd be looking at Deng + Granger specifically... more the former than latter.

[statsman]

I'm hoping him and Klay can eventually both be 3rd/4th options ...

Most here and the Warriors coaches seem to see Klay as a 2nd/3rd option. His defense is good and so is his interaction with Curry. Just wished his 4th quarter shooting was better, and I wished he didn't look so f'ing stoned most of the time. I can't help but shake the thought that he's just not there at times. Strange, because it is rare for him to have a bad game defensively.

[Onus]

I think Deng maybe attainable, especially with the way jimmy butler is emerging.

I feel like we do well enough with little production from the 3 spot already. I think we should have insurance for when bogut eventually goes down next season. I also feel like we usually lose when we get pounded inside.

[whocurrz]

I'm hoping him and Klay can eventually both be 3rd/4th options ...

Most here and the Warriors coaches seem to see Klay as a 2nd/3rd option. His defense is good and so is his interaction with Curry. Just wished his 4th quarter shooting was better, and I wished he didn't look so f'ing stoned most of the time. I can't help but shake the thought that he's just not there at times. Strange, because it is rare for him to have a bad game defensively.

Well he can be such a streaky shooter and we have enough weapons that I think he should primarily be a 3rd option who should surpass Lee when he's hot, but I like the consistency Lee brings more and establishing more spots on the floor where we're a scoring threat than just shooting 3s.

I think part of the reason is that Klay plays really loose on offense. It works for him because he's got a smooth shot and his fearless/confident/never worried about his last shot mentality makes him a threat even when he's not hitting. But when the game gets tight he doesn't always realize a heightened need for him to really focus. At least for some of the mistakes he makes. He focuses well on man to man defense, he just needs to bring that heightened sense of awareness to the end of games.

I dunno maybe farfetched but he seems to kinda be on cruise control a lot on offense which works well except in the 4th where things tighten up. He still makes some dumb mistakes but he's improved by miles in comparison to the Nuggets game earlier this year

[whocurrz]

I think Deng maybe attainable, especially with the way jimmy butler is emerging.

I feel like we do well enough with little production from the 3 spot already. I think we should have insurance for when bogut eventually goes down next season. I also feel like we usually lose when we get pounded inside.

I'd rather trade for Taj Gibson than Deng is that's what you're saying, but I feel Chicago would only part with him for Klay and not Barnes.

[DLeagueAllStars]

why trade for Deng.. If the Warriors want him, just get him after next season when we have the cap space and he is a FA... As for Gibson, yes a good replacement for Landry, but to give up a starting young SG or SF on a much cheaper contract isnt the way to go.

[GSForever]

I would like to see Tony Allen in a Dubs uni. But since Kobe is retiring next year I have no problem to gauge his interest and offer him large 3-4 yr deal. Leadership, toughness and he'd hold players accountable. He still has plenty of game left in him. With the large number of Laker fans. You would have sellouts every night

[old rem]

I think Deng maybe attainable, especially with the way jimmy butler is emerging.

I feel like we do well enough with little production from the 3 spot already. I think we should have insurance for when bogut eventually goes down next season. I also feel like we usually lose when we get pounded inside.

I'd rather trade for Taj Gibson than Deng is that's what you're saying, but I feel Chicago would only part with him for Klay and not Barnes.

Gibson now has an injury issue and is about to start a pretty heavy contract for a backup PF. So....no....we would be nuts to deal Klay or Barnes for a damaged,costly backup

[FNQ]

Taj won't be a backup next year. Boozer will likely be amnestied.

We should trade Biedrins for Taj, on the premise that its a formerly starting C for a career backup PF.

[AussieBuck]

You could probably get Moute from the Bucks for not much. He's crap offensively but he can guard lots of positions. He's made noises a couple of times about wanting out. Udoh might be easy to get too. The idiots in charge probably like Ayon more than him now.

[marthafokker]

You could probably get Moute from the Bucks for not much. He's crap offensively but he can guard lots of positions. He's made noises a couple of times about wanting out. Udoh might be easy to get too. The idiots in charge probably like Ayon more than him now.

Moute is not crap. He is only reason they are even 8th seed material. I would have traded our 7th for Moute and their 1st. Moute on an hella cheap contract for what GSW needed. So don't think GSW can get him from Mil for cheap.

[DreDay]

Let's go for John Henson instead. They might Tobias him for a win now player, so I think Warriors should take advantage.