Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

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I can't really guess what the deal would look like. Warriors S&T Oubre for ... ? And the Hornets have room to sign Oubre so why do the Warriors need to be involved? Also supposedly the Hornets want Markannen from the Bulls ...AND Oubre?

Seems like a lot of talk about who knows what in reality.

Markkanen is a restricted free agent. Presumably, Chicago would be compensated for not matching. Not sure why the Warriors would even need to be involved. On the other hand, maybe Wiseman is in play to Charlotte. They were supposedly interested in swapping picks with the Warriors last year in order to draft Wiseman. Could Wiseman be headed to Charlotte and Markkanen coming our way in exchange?

How will they exchange Wiseman for Markkanen straight up money wise?

Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

[Mob Byers]

Markkanen is a restricted free agent. Presumably, Chicago would be compensated for not matching. Not sure why the Warriors would even need to be involved. On the other hand, maybe Wiseman is in play to Charlotte. They were supposedly interested in swapping picks with the Warriors last year in order to draft Wiseman. Could Wiseman be headed to Charlotte and Markkanen coming our way in exchange?

How will they exchange Wiseman for Markkanen straight up money wise?

We need a capologist to explain whether Oubre's S&T could make up the dollar difference.

The team receiving the player cannot have a payroll that exceeds the so-called "apron"—a designated level above the NBA luxury tax threshold—after the trade. A team with a payroll above the apron can only receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the transaction drops that team's payroll below the apron. Once the transaction is complete, the team receiving the player is hard capped at the apron for the entire season.

It's a TPE if anything

[Scoots1994]

The deal would have to grow significantly. I've wondered whether Charlotte would consider moving Hayward for Wiggins. Not that such a deal would make us any better.

I can't really guess what the deal would look like. Warriors S&T Oubre for ... ? And the Hornets have room to sign Oubre so why do the Warriors need to be involved? Also supposedly the Hornets want Markannen from the Bulls ...AND Oubre?

Seems like a lot of talk about who knows what in reality.

Markkanen is a restricted free agent. Presumably, Chicago would be compensated for not matching. Not sure why the Warriors would even need to be involved. On the other hand, maybe Wiseman is in play to Charlotte. They were supposedly interested in swapping picks with the Warriors last year in order to draft Wiseman. Could Wiseman be headed to Charlotte and Markkanen coming our way in exchange?

Jeez.

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Markkanen is a restricted free agent. Presumably, Chicago would be compensated for not matching. Not sure why the Warriors would even need to be involved. On the other hand, maybe Wiseman is in play to Charlotte. They were supposedly interested in swapping picks with the Warriors last year in order to draft Wiseman. Could Wiseman be headed to Charlotte and Markkanen coming our way in exchange?

How will they exchange Wiseman for Markkanen straight up money wise?

Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. RFAs can't be sign-and-traded at all, only UFAs.

[Scoots1994]

Markkanen is a restricted free agent. Presumably, Chicago would be compensated for not matching. Not sure why the Warriors would even need to be involved. On the other hand, maybe Wiseman is in play to Charlotte. They were supposedly interested in swapping picks with the Warriors last year in order to draft Wiseman. Could Wiseman be headed to Charlotte and Markkanen coming our way in exchange?

How will they exchange Wiseman for Markkanen straight up money wise?

Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

That's a tough one for people to remember. If Charlotte signed Markkanen they would have to wait to trade him for 60 days right?

Why would CHA or CHI want to be involved in a trade with the Warriors to send them a TPE when CHA can sign Oubre into cap space?

[Old_Blue]

What if Markkanen signed his approximately $9 million offer sheet from the Bulls...Could he then be swapped for Wiseman...With Wiseman then being shipped to Charlotte in exchange for God only knows what?

P.S. - This feels like fighting over scraps.

[Mob Byers]

How will they exchange Wiseman for Markkanen straight up money wise?

Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. RFAs can't be sign-and-traded at all, only UFAs.

Yes they can

While restricted free agents can be signed and traded, this is not allowed if that player has signed an offer sheet with another team.

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Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. RFAs can't be sign-and-traded at all, only UFAs.

Yes they can

While restricted free agents can be signed and traded, this is not allowed if that player has signed an offer sheet with another team.

Well, he can if he signs with the team, then he's no longer an RFA. If he signs an offer sheet, he's still an RFA, and he can't be sign and traded.

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Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. RFAs can't be sign-and-traded at all, only UFAs.

Yes they can

While restricted free agents can be signed and traded, this is not allowed if that player has signed an offer sheet with another team.

Well, he can if he signs with the team, then he's no longer an RFA. If he signs an offer sheet, he's still an RFA, and he can't be sign and traded.

Edit: It doesn't much matter for the Warriors, or Charlotte either, for that matter, since the can't take both Oubre and Markkaned on S&T, they don't have the cap space. I don't see how the Warriors can be involved at all.

[Scoots1994]

Yes they can

Well, he can if he signs with the team, then he's no longer an RFA. If he signs an offer sheet, he's still an RFA, and he can't be sign and traded.

Edit: It doesn't much matter for the Warriors, or Charlotte either, for that matter, since the can't take both Oubre and Markkaned on S&T, they don't have the cap space. I don't see how the Warriors can be involved at all.

That's what I don't see. How/Why would the Warriors be in it at all.

[Mob Byers]

That report of a 3 teams sounds like BS to me:

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Sorry to kill the Wiseman haters fantasies

[michaelwarner]

That report of a 3 teams sounds like BS to me:

Read on Twitter

Sorry to kill the Wiseman haters fantasies

You’re probably right but Slater’s tweet is from just past midnight and the reports of the three way trade are from 10 hours later.

[Mob Byers]

That report of a 3 teams sounds like BS to me:

Read on Twitter

Sorry to kill the Wiseman haters fantasies

You’re probably right but Slater’s tweet is from just past midnight and the reports of the three way trade are from 10 hours later.

Doesn't matter unless they added a year to Oubre's contract

[Scoots1994]

That report of a 3 teams sounds like BS to me:

Read on Twitter

Sorry to kill the Wiseman haters fantasies

You’re probably right but Slater’s tweet is from just past midnight and the reports of the three way trade are from 10 hours later.

Still doesn't make it make sense. Sure maybe there is something we don't know, but right now I don't see it.

[S-Gorilla86]

That report of a 3 teams sounds like BS to me:

Read on Twitter

Sorry to kill the Wiseman haters fantasies

You’re probably right but Slater’s tweet is from just past midnight and the reports of the three way trade are from 10 hours later.

Still doesn't make it make sense. Sure maybe there is something we don't know, but right now I don't see it.

Would it work if Oubre was routed to the Bulls and they added a non-guaranteed 3rd year? I don't really see how it makes sense either.

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[Mob Byers]

You’re probably right but Slater’s tweet is from just past midnight and the reports of the three way trade are from 10 hours later.

Still doesn't make it make sense. Sure maybe there is something we don't know, but right now I don't see it.

Would it work if Oubre was routed to the Bulls and they added a non-guaranteed 3rd year? I don't really see how it makes sense either.

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It needs to be a 3 yr deal for S&T

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Markkanen is a free agent, so the only way he goes out is a S&T which leaves the Warriors out.

Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. RFAs can't be sign-and-traded at all, only UFAs.

Yes they can

While restricted free agents can be signed and traded, this is not allowed if that player has signed an offer sheet with another team.

Aah, you're right. It's only barred if the player has signed an offer sheet. My bad.

[Johnny355]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

[lars_rosenberg]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

We have Jordan Poole, why would you want to add Buddy freaking Hield who makes 23 millions this season?
Barnes + Hield is 43 millions coming in for 35 going out. The Warriors would not want to take on 8 additional millions of salary cap.
It's like 45-50 millions more in luxury tax.

And who is Mark Mulder?

[Scoots1994]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

No thanks.

Barnes plays the very deep 4 on the Warriors, Hield is too small to play the thinner 3 position on the Warriors. Lee shot better from 3 than Hield. AND 2 first round picks?

No.