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Post#201 » by HiRez » Fri Jan 3, 2025 9:12 pm

jg77 wrote:I was against this trade at first but we're 17-16 and I don't see us going anywhere.

Exactly. All the whining and pearl-clutching over "can't fit with Draymond", "can't fit with Kerr's offense", "can't play with Steph", "we can't lose Wiggins", "we can't lose Draymond", "what about the future?"...wake up people, this is a mediocre team going nowhere. Steph is still great on some nights, but he can't give those kinds of performances 3 or 4 out of 5 games anymore. That's only going to get worse.

Jimmy Butler is a flawed player and I wouldn't give up the farm for him, but he'd easily be at worst the second best offensive player on this team and maybe even the best on some nights. Everyone worried about him because he's a "half court player"...guess what, most possessions end up in a half-court game and that's where the Dubs really struggle to score much of the time. And it's not like Jimmy's a slouch in the transition game anyway.

Ohhhh the motion offense is so great...if so then why can't we score? A lot of you guys seem to think it's because we just don't have the perfect players we need in order to be a cog in Kerr's machine. F that, Kerr's offense was great with prime Steph, prime Klay, and prime KD, but those days are long gone. It's an outdated system that only works with incredibly narrow parameters, plus the league has adjusted since those days when it was new and no one knew how to counter it.

Jimmy can just go get a damn bucket for us instead of waiting for the perfect alignment of Kerr's delicate system to create an open 3 point shot (which they've largely been missing this year anyway). And he helps keep the other team honest and from overloading on Steph. The heavy reliance on the motion offense also creates more turnovers, which has been a thorn in the side of the team since it was implemented. I'm not saying don't pass the ball, but how many times have we seen this team try to keep moving the ball but either not even get a shot off in time, take a poor, contested 3 instead of taking it inside or drawing contact and getting to the line, or turn it over? A LOT. And it's not just the young guys that happens to, it's everyone on the team including Steph and Draymond.

It remains to be seen what the asking price truly is, and whether it would be worth it, but it's worth exploring.
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Post#202 » by ILOVEIT » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:07 pm

I still think the move is to go hard after Myles Turner. I can't imagine TJD, Moody and a first rounder wouldn't do the trick IF Indianna isn't considering bring him back. I'd rather give up two first rounders instead of trading Kuminga or even Wiggins in a package for a slow it down half court iso player like Butler. Turner also fits both short- and longer-term timelines.

And for those that say "Turner's not available" ALL players are available for the right price.
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Post#203 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jan 4, 2025 12:13 am

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Post#204 » by Old_Blue » Sat Jan 4, 2025 12:46 am

Prediction? Having tagged himself as a miscreant, Butler just tanked his value and set up a trade to the Lakers for a bag of chips. Adam Silver and the League want a Lakers vs. Celtics/Knicks Finals.
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Post#205 » by NW » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:22 am

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Post#206 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:27 am

Other teams can not trade for Curry without gutting themselves to create cap space.

We can not trade for Butler or anybody good and established without gutting our team to create cap space.

Salary cap is a dream killer.
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Post#207 » by Old_Blue » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:35 am

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Other teams can not trade for Curry without gutting themselves to create cap space.

We can not trade for Butler or anybody good and established without gutting our team to create cap space.

Salary cap is a dream killer.


Wiggins, Schröder, Kuminga and Santos works. The problem is that if Butler goes down, you're cooked.
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Post#208 » by Romulus » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:01 am

Trade Curry for Butler. Who says no?
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Post#209 » by BayAreaDub » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:10 am

Draymond is the one that needs to go in a Jimmy trade if we’re being objective. Lacob always talked that talked but never walked that walk. No balls
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Post#210 » by wco81 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 2:40 am

Romulus wrote:Trade Curry for Butler. Who says no?



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Post#211 » by Jester_ » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:34 am

I'm okay with a trade centered around Wiggins and Butler.

I wish we had real assets so we could somehow go after Tyler Herro or Bam. if only the rest of the league was as stupid as we are and thought Podz was the next J Kidd
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Post#212 » by floppymoose » Sat Jan 4, 2025 4:59 am

Old_Blue wrote:
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:Other teams can not trade for Curry without gutting themselves to create cap space.

We can not trade for Butler or anybody good and established without gutting our team to create cap space.

Salary cap is a dream killer.


Wiggins, Schröder, Kuminga and Santos works. The problem is that if Butler goes down, you're cooked.


Your cooked if he doesnt go down as well.
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Post#213 » by floppymoose » Sat Jan 4, 2025 5:00 am

The whole idea that Butler can turn the remnants of a 17-16 squad into a champion is super dubious.
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Post#214 » by HiRez » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:43 am

floppymoose wrote:The whole idea that Butler can turn the remnants of a 17-16 squad into a champion is super dubious.

It definitely is dubious. But so is every other plan I've heard, including staying with the status quo and hoping Kerr has some kind of epiphany that magically upgrades every position.
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Post#215 » by powerball1373 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 7:01 am

Old_Blue wrote:Prediction? Having tagged himself as a miscreant, Butler just tanked his value and set up a trade to the Lakers for a bag of chips. Adam Silver and the League want a Lakers vs. Celtics/Knicks Finals.


Lol there's no way Riley does this. He'd rather let Jimmy rot and get nothing.

That being said, I do think that this situation has devolved to the point where a Warriors trade now makes more sense for both teams.
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Post#216 » by superunknown » Sat Jan 4, 2025 8:09 am

try to go get miles turner.
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Post#217 » by Jester_ » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:23 pm

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Old_Blue wrote:Prediction? Having tagged himself as a miscreant, Butler just tanked his value and set up a trade to the Lakers for a bag of chips. Adam Silver and the League want a Lakers vs. Celtics/Knicks Finals.


Lol there's no way Riley does this. He'd rather let Jimmy rot and get nothing.

That being said, I do think that this situation has devolved to the point where a Warriors trade now makes more sense for both teams.


do you think anyone else on the heat (namely Bam or Herro) are on the table
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Post#218 » by GSWFan1994 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:13 pm

Jimmy is 35, misses a lot of games, and has a future 50+mi/year extension coming in.

Is there a better combination?
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Post#219 » by NW » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:59 pm

Slater, MT2 and Sam Amick just put out an article on the Athletic saying GS isn’t pursuing Butler. Said Vucevic is the more likely target
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Post#220 » by whatisacenter » Sat Jan 4, 2025 4:57 pm

NW wrote:Slater, MT2 and Sam Amick just put out an article on the Athletic saying GS isn’t pursuing Butler. Said Vucevic is the more likely target


Kerr and Spo are friends and coach together for the Olympic team....I'm sure they have discussed Butler.
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