2020 Draft Thread

[lars_rosenberg]

Philly want to run it back maybe 1 more year with the core. Also question, would you guys take Prince if it meant having the 19th pick? There are some guys I like Around 19, Bane, Tyler Bey, Reed(reach), Terry, Green, Jalen Smith(might drop, he's getting sever lotto buzz), Precious, Bolmaro

How do we absorb Prince's contract? I guess Brooklyn wants to trade him to open cap space, but we would have to send salary back to match, so it's not doable.
Also, he's been a breakout candidate for me for a few years, I had hopes, but he never did and at this point I think it's just too late for him to actually become good.

[ShayDee]

Philly want to run it back maybe 1 more year with the core. Also question, would you guys take Prince if it meant having the 19th pick? There are some guys I like Around 19, Bane, Tyler Bey, Reed(reach), Terry, Green, Jalen Smith(might drop, he's getting sever lotto buzz), Precious, Bolmaro

How do we absorb Prince's contract? I guess Brooklyn wants to trade him to open cap space, but we would have to send salary back to match, so it's not doable.
Also, he's been a breakout candidate for me for a few years, I had hopes, but he never did and at this point I think it's just too late for him to actually become good.

He fits TPE

[ShayDee]

New Info on CHA: They are leaning to take one of Ball, Wiseman, Edwards but can be talked out if you know what I mean. This is a long process but they are leaning this direction as a front office. The vibe is different from MJ, fyi.

New info on MIN: If Strass takes over, expect Rosas to continue the process that he has. It's not clear cut who he would take regardless of what the media says. He said Ball should be the pick. I would lean Ball too. Rosas been looking for a lead initiator since he took over he said.

GS wants Edwards. They been clamoring for a 6th man that can score at will and been hoping to find that player. They aren't that high on Wiseman and been dying to move down if Edwards is off the board.

Atlanta: nothing changed. They think Edwards, Wiseman, and Ball are off the board. Atlanta will be extremely active on draft night. I am not sure we know what expect from Atlanta. He did say what he's hearing is still true. Atlanta still wants to get another 1st. He thinks Atlanta could really hold multiple cards in this draft due to our cap space.

Washington will try to move up for Wiseman but they will need luck. They do have fear that Atlanta could potentially take Okongwu who they are targeting as well.

Detroit will likely choose between two PGs, Okoro, and Obi Toppin. They really like what they have in Christian Wood and Kennard with Sekou

Phoenix wants to trade Oubre and they are a possible trade down team to get rid of his deal but not a trade OUT candidate.

Boston is open to trading one of their 1st round picks but not selling it. Booooo!

Wiseman Bros, get ready for disappointment if this happens. If the FO cannot see the upside of Wiseman on this team then idk. The Lakers are man handling the blazers small guards right now and there is no concrete plan in place to handle bigger teams and centers in this league. It would be completely short sighted if we pass up on talent for a role player

[ILOVEIT]

Would you trust him to take 3s?

I believe he shot 39% from three last year after a horrible 25% the previous.

[ILOVEIT]

Kuya (I think that was his profile) posted Hortford for Wiggins trade. This seems to make sense for both teams and Warriors get to keep their pick. This trade works mostly if they are thinking of drafting Deni..but Wiseman could also certainly come off the bench....Hortford would be insurance in case they end up trading Wiseman or he flops.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Kuya (I think that was his profile) posted Hortford for Wiggins trade. This seems to make sense for both teams and Warriors get to keep their pick. This trade works mostly if they are thinking of drafting Deni..but Wiseman could also certainly come off the bench....Hortford would be insurance in case they end up trading Wiseman or he flops.

Terrible idea. Horford, at 34, and his legs will not be able to keep up with our pace.

His contract is even worse. He'll be with us until the 22-23 season (last year of contract is non-guaranteed, though). $109 mil over 4 years ($28 mil, $27.5 mil, $27 mil, $26.5 mil, respectively). Yikes..

I'd rather just keep Wiggins at this point and hope he becomes very effective and efficient within our system.

[The Maestro]

Kuya (I think that was his profile) posted Hortford for Wiggins trade. This seems to make sense for both teams and Warriors get to keep their pick. This trade works mostly if they are thinking of drafting Deni..but Wiseman could also certainly come off the bench....Hortford would be insurance in case they end up trading Wiseman or he flops.

Terrible idea. Horford, at 34, and his legs will not be able to keep up with our pace.

His contract is even worse. He'll be with us until the 22-23 season (last year of contract is non-guaranteed, though). $109 mil over 4 years ($28 mil, $27.5 mil, $27 mil, $26.5 mil, respectively). Yikes..

I'd rather just keep Wiggins at this point and hope he becomes very effective and efficient within our system.

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Kuya (I think that was his profile) posted Hortford for Wiggins trade. This seems to make sense for both teams and Warriors get to keep their pick. This trade works mostly if they are thinking of drafting Deni..but Wiseman could also certainly come off the bench....Hortford would be insurance in case they end up trading Wiseman or he flops.

Terrible idea. Horford, at 34, and his legs will not be able to keep up with our pace.

His contract is even worse. He'll be with us until the 22-23 season (last year of contract is non-guaranteed, though). $109 mil over 4 years ($28 mil, $27.5 mil, $27 mil, $26.5 mil, respectively). Yikes..

I'd rather just keep Wiggins at this point and hope he becomes very effective and efficient within our system.

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

I'm talking about productivity. Horford is about to enter the twilight of his career (Past his prime) and big men -- when/if injured at that age -- will take a bit of time to heal/recover.

Wiggins has maybe about $10 mil more than Horford. Could make all the difference in the world, salary cap-wise, but for me, I see Wiggins flourishing with our core group where everyone is held accountable. He'll be the 3rd or 4th option in that Harrison Barnes role (Possibly better than Barnes). He's still young and can fix his bad habits through our training/coaching staff. Also, I'd say he's tradeable piece if we go through half his contract (4 years @ $122 mil down to 2 years at around $65 mil). There will still be takers be teams asking for him at that price then (We'll just have to pay for it earlier on).

I'd say we hold onto Wiggins and see what develops.

[xdrta+]

Terrible idea. Horford, at 34, and his legs will not be able to keep up with our pace.

His contract is even worse. He'll be with us until the 22-23 season (last year of contract is non-guaranteed, though). $109 mil over 4 years ($28 mil, $27.5 mil, $27 mil, $26.5 mil, respectively). Yikes..

I'd rather just keep Wiggins at this point and hope he becomes very effective and efficient within our system.

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

I'm talking about productivity. Horford is about to enter the twilight of his career (Past his prime) and big men -- when/if injured at that age -- will take a bit of time to heal/recover.

Wiggins has maybe about $10 mil more than Horford. Could make all the difference in the world, salary cap-wise, but for me, I see Wiggins flourishing with our core group where everyone is held accountable. He'll be the 3rd or 4th option in that Harrison Barnes role (Possibly better than Barnes). He's still young and can fix his bad habits through our training/coaching staff. Also, I'd say he's tradeable piece if we go through half his contract (4 years @ $122 mil down to 2 years at around $65 mil). There will still be takers be teams asking for him at that price then (We'll just have to pay for it earlier on).

I'd say we hold onto Wiggins and see what develops.

The $10M makes no difference cap-wise. IMO, Horford is washed up with a terrible contract. Definitely hang onto Wiggins.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

I'm talking about productivity. Horford is about to enter the twilight of his career (Past his prime) and big men -- when/if injured at that age -- will take a bit of time to heal/recover.

Wiggins has maybe about $10 mil more than Horford. Could make all the difference in the world, salary cap-wise, but for me, I see Wiggins flourishing with our core group where everyone is held accountable. He'll be the 3rd or 4th option in that Harrison Barnes role (Possibly better than Barnes). He's still young and can fix his bad habits through our training/coaching staff. Also, I'd say he's tradeable piece if we go through half his contract (4 years @ $122 mil down to 2 years at around $65 mil). There will still be takers be teams asking for him at that price then (We'll just have to pay for it earlier on).

I'd say we hold onto Wiggins and see what develops.

The $10M makes no difference cap-wise. IMO, Horford is washed up with a terrible contract. Definitely hang onto Wiggins.

Right on. Not sure how some can't do a simple analysis/breakdown of this??? I will say a young, unproven talent and a washed-up up player shouldn't be getting that kind of contract/money to begin with.

In a situation like this, I'll argue that a younger player has enough years to be and stay productive since they'll just want to stick around the league for longer and earn/make more. An older player making that kind of money later in his career is like receiving a generous stimulus check when they shouldn't qualify.

[The Maestro]

Terrible idea. Horford, at 34, and his legs will not be able to keep up with our pace.

His contract is even worse. He'll be with us until the 22-23 season (last year of contract is non-guaranteed, though). $109 mil over 4 years ($28 mil, $27.5 mil, $27 mil, $26.5 mil, respectively). Yikes..

I'd rather just keep Wiggins at this point and hope he becomes very effective and efficient within our system.

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

I'm talking about productivity. Horford is about to enter the twilight of his career (Past his prime) and big men -- when/if injured at that age -- will take a bit of time to heal/recover.

Wiggins has maybe about $10 mil more than Horford. Could make all the difference in the world, salary cap-wise, but for me, I see Wiggins flourishing with our core group where everyone is held accountable. He'll be the 3rd or 4th option in that Harrison Barnes role (Possibly better than Barnes). He's still young and can fix his bad habits through our training/coaching staff. Also, I'd say he's tradeable piece if we go through half his contract (4 years @ $122 mil down to 2 years at around $65 mil). There will still be takers be teams asking for him at that price then (We'll just have to pay for it earlier on).

I'd say we hold onto Wiggins and see what develops.

Wiggins will be horrible in the Barnes role if that’s what you’re hoping for from him. Barnes is bigger, stronger, a better defender (can guard 3 and 4’s) and is a better shooter. Wiggins is much softer.

[TB]

Part of me slightly hoped we ended up in a situation where the risky picks were gone and we go with the obvious high basement player like Okongwu or Okoro. But at 2, there's no denying that Wiseman and Edwards have the higher ceiling than those two players.

I think the two worst case scenarios are now:

1) Bob already fell in love with someone regardless of draft position, and we end up with a Hayes, Deni, or Toppin pick.
2) We are dead set on trading, and Giannis/Embiid are not available so they just settle for trading the pick for a Jonas or Gordon level player.

I say just don't overthink it, draft Wiseman or Edwards. Then get 25+ mpg players with the MLE and TPE.

Draft Wiseman with 2nd pick
Trade both 2nds to move up and snag Stanley or Hinton
Crowder MLE
Oubre TPE (using 2021 1st rounder)
Kennard for Looney, 2023 1st rounder, 2020 Minny 2nd rounder

10 man rotation (don't get held up on what position is best for those backups, they can come in for anyone)
Steph / Kennard
Klay / Oubre
Wiggins / Crowder
Dray / Paschall
Wiseman / Chriss

Deep bench: Lee, Poole, Bowman, Smiley, Stanley

[KevinMcreynolds]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

How is Horford’s contact worse than Wiggins if it’s less money and the last year is only partially guaranteed?

I'm talking about productivity. Horford is about to enter the twilight of his career (Past his prime) and big men -- when/if injured at that age -- will take a bit of time to heal/recover.

Wiggins has maybe about $10 mil more than Horford. Could make all the difference in the world, salary cap-wise, but for me, I see Wiggins flourishing with our core group where everyone is held accountable. He'll be the 3rd or 4th option in that Harrison Barnes role (Possibly better than Barnes). He's still young and can fix his bad habits through our training/coaching staff. Also, I'd say he's tradeable piece if we go through half his contract (4 years @ $122 mil down to 2 years at around $65 mil). There will still be takers be teams asking for him at that price then (We'll just have to pay for it earlier on).

I'd say we hold onto Wiggins and see what develops.

Wiggins will be horrible in the Barnes role if that’s what you’re hoping for from him. Barnes is bigger, stronger, a better defender (can guard 3 and 4’s) and is a better shooter. Wiggins is much softer.

Sure, he isn't as strong or probably won't be able to guard the 4s or 5s in this league, but Kerr assigned him to guard BOTH LeBron and AD in his first game as a Warrior, and I'd say he held his own against them pretty decent/well:

Watch on YouTube

Defense is knowing the player's tendencies and being able to see the opponent's/team's offensive scheme play-out (AKA possessing high defensive awareness/IQ). The other part about defense is all about effort and willingness to get a defensive stop. Wiggins showed that and I see potential. This coaching and training staff will right the wrong in his game.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

I just hate it when, with someone of his physical stature, posts-up and does power dribbles only to have the ball bounce from the floor too hard and causes a TO. Same happens when he tries to take make a quick-first step, only to exert so much force that he loses the ball and turns into a TO.

Barnes was and is a borderline role player/mediocre starter.

[The Maestro]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

I’m not a Barnes fan but if that’s the role people think Wiggins will play then there’re gonna be upset. Wiggins isn’t like Barnes at all. Much much much softer. No way he can effectively play the 4 in the death lineup.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

I’m not a Barnes fan but if that’s the role people think Wiggins will play then there’re gonna be upset. Wiggins isn’t like Barnes at all. Much much much softer. No way he can effectively play the 4 in the death lineup.

We never said he's similar or is like Barnes from the start. Barnes is more 3 & D who can guard 4s. Wiggins has all the tools to be more than a 3 & D player. Wiggins has been inefficent because, well, of playing in Minnesota. Have him here, I have no reason to doubt that he'll be fine. Maybe have a Harrison Barnes-type role, but guarding 1 thru 3.

My hope is that Kerr can unlock his defensive potential and intensity, and become a more efficient offensive player.

[Onus]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

I’m not a Barnes fan but if that’s the role people think Wiggins will play then there’re gonna be upset. Wiggins isn’t like Barnes at all. Much much much softer. No way he can effectively play the 4 in the death lineup.

We never said he's similar or is like Barnes from the start. Barnes is more 3 & D who can guard 4s. Wiggins has all the tools to be more than a 3 & D player. Wiggins has been inefficent because, well, of playing in Minnesota. Have him here, I have no reason to doubt that he'll be fine. Maybe have a Harrison Barnes-type role, but guarding 1 thru 3.

My hope is that Kerr can unlock his defensive potential and intensity, and become a more efficient offensive player.

Defensively Wiggins lines up to be the iguodala role more so than Barnes. Thad young, Draymond, vassell, Wiggins would have so much length and versatility on defense. They all can help and recover with length speed and agility. Draymond and Thad should be able to body up against anyone especially with Wiggins and vassel lurking.

[ILOVEIT]

Barnes has zero offensive skill though. He can't take someone off the bounce, horrible finisher, no touch, no passing ability and can't really shoot either.

I’m not a Barnes fan but if that’s the role people think Wiggins will play then there’re gonna be upset. Wiggins isn’t like Barnes at all. Much much much softer. No way he can effectively play the 4 in the death lineup.

Did you seem him defend LeBron this year? Did you see him defend Anthony Davis?? I think your wrong on this one.

[cdubbz]

Wiseman. Keep him & develop him for trades down the line. 2021 we need to get DEEP and win a championship than reboot again