Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[Scoots1994]

I'd give the Lakers a rack of basketball for Kuzma. Think they'd go for it?

Yes, but the CBA won't allow it.

[Scoots1994]

I don't want Harrell really ... he is active but he's had some long stretches of being a bad defender and selfish on offense. And there is a reason he's never been a regular starter on 3 teams.

[ILOVEIT]

Is Paul George a viable target? Seems like it could be done with Wiggins plus filler but that's a lot of salary for ownership to take on. I think an argument could be made for the Clips needing to reset with Kawhi likely missing next season and I'm sure we could approach them with the screw over the Lakers angle. He seems like the best fit of players that may be available.

Nice idea and all. Would depend on your definition of filler. Clips gave their best young player in SGA, a positive asset in Gal and five first round picks just two years ago.

It'd take Wiggins, Wiseman and basically every pick of value.

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

[CS707]

Is Paul George a viable target? Seems like it could be done with Wiggins plus filler but that's a lot of salary for ownership to take on. I think an argument could be made for the Clips needing to reset with Kawhi likely missing next season and I'm sure we could approach them with the screw over the Lakers angle. He seems like the best fit of players that may be available.

Nice idea and all. Would depend on your definition of filler. Clips gave their best young player in SGA, a positive asset in Gal and five first round picks just two years ago.

It'd take Wiggins, Wiseman and basically every pick of value.

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

[ILOVEIT]

Nice idea and all. Would depend on your definition of filler. Clips gave their best young player in SGA, a positive asset in Gal and five first round picks just two years ago.

It'd take Wiggins, Wiseman and basically every pick of value.

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

I agree....I would take PG over any other option out there...including Kawhi and Dame.

[osx28]

Is Paul George a viable target? Seems like it could be done with Wiggins plus filler but that's a lot of salary for ownership to take on. I think an argument could be made for the Clips needing to reset with Kawhi likely missing next season and I'm sure we could approach them with the screw over the Lakers angle. He seems like the best fit of players that may be available.

Nice idea and all. Would depend on your definition of filler. Clips gave their best young player in SGA, a positive asset in Gal and five first round picks just two years ago.

It'd take Wiggins, Wiseman and basically every pick of value.

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

With more news about Dame wanting out and if we assume like you say Philly will trade Simmons, I think Philly becomes the front runner to get Dame if he wants to play there.

What if we serve as facilitators instead of trying to go for Dame ourselves? It's unlikely Portland will want to trade him to us since they'll have to see him 4 times a year as opposed to 2 if he goes to the east. Plus the centerpiece of our package salary-wise is Wiggins. Simmons has much more value than wiggins and is more proven than Wiseman, so I can see Portland being more interested in a package around simmons than our package.

So we could send our 7 and 14 to Portland in exchange for Seth, Thybull and Zach Collins. Money works if we wait to sign the picks and send some spare parts (Smiley will finally have some use for us!)

We also get to keep Wiseman and Wiggins. Not the blockbuster we'd want, but three good bench players for depth.

[Jester_]

Simmons seems like an odd trade target for Portland - do they just want to keep treadmilling?

You'd think a Wiseman + 2 picks package is a much better place to start a rebuild (especially if you can further flip CJ and Nurk for more young assets). That plus Dame being an Oakland kid and having a much higher chance at a ring than in Philly, seems like by far the best deal in either direction.

[and1GS]

We would need to give up way more than Wiseman, Wiggins and 2 picks to get a top 5 MVP candidate. At the very least we'd need to ship out 2 future, unprotected firsts on top of that package. And I'd absolutely do that trade because, well, **** defense.

[osx28]

We would need to give up way more than Wiseman, Wiggins and 2 picks to get a top 5 MVP candidate. At the very least we'd need to ship out 2 future, unprotected firsts on top of that package. And I'd absolutely do that trade because, well, **** defense.

We do have 2022 and 2027 we could send uprotected. It's a nice package, not sure if it's the best, but it would be way up there

[Mob Byers]

We would need to give up way more than Wiseman, Wiggins and 2 picks to get a top 5 MVP candidate. At the very least we'd need to ship out 2 future, unprotected firsts on top of that package. And I'd absolutely do that trade because, well, **** defense.

Delusional. Give up a PG package for Lillard who is a worse fit and it's not like it helps us sign Kawhi too.

So short sighted. Lillard is not the one, put the hyphy juice down.

[and1GS]

Well good fit PG has sure gotten the Clippers to fulfill their potential. Sometimes you just need great players all on the same team. There are multiple ways to build a contender.

[Chupchup]

Nice idea and all. Would depend on your definition of filler. Clips gave their best young player in SGA, a positive asset in Gal and five first round picks just two years ago.

It'd take Wiggins, Wiseman and basically every pick of value.

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

Why would they let Kawhi walk? Shoot, resign him for max max money and then trade him. Plenty of teams will trade for him even if he sits out a year.

Actually Dame goes to Philly. PG13 goes to Portland. Simmons goes to Clippers. That actually should work for all involved if Kawhi is gone this year. (Granted Kawhi has to "ok" this trade) If not sign and trade Kawhi if he is ok with it, and get back some draft picks.

Granted none of the above helps the Warriors. I was debating if Clippers blow it up, would the Warriors look to get PG13? Wigs, Wiseman, 7 and 14?

[ILOVEIT]

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

Why would they let Kawhi walk? Shoot, resign him for max max money and then trade him. Plenty of teams will trade for him even if he sits out a year.

Actually Dame goes to Philly. PG13 goes to Portland. Simmons goes to Clippers. That actually should work for all involved if Kawhi is gone this year. (Granted Kawhi has to "ok" this trade) If not sign and trade Kawhi if he is ok with it, and get back some draft picks.

Granted none of the above helps the Warriors. I was debating if Clippers blow it up, would the Warriors look to get PG13? Wigs, Wiseman, 7 and 14?

Players have a say these days...

You think Dame would take a trade to Portland?
Then assume you are Clippers....you want Simmons with the broken shot and no shooters to help and Kawhi out for at least a season? And what does HE think with his bud getting traded?
Thank PG13 wants to go to Portland....small market in the far northwest? Nah.

Players get what they want now....(see Harden)

Dame, if he wants out, will get traded to where HE wants to go. Period. And if he wants to go to the bay then Portland will except what they have to in a trade with Warriors.
If PG wants to stay west coast and likes a shot a chip with Warriors....Clippers (IF they want to trade him) will take that option.

[whatisacenter]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

[CS707]

Portland, Philly and Clippers are all in a similar boat....all three teams likely realize that they don't have the right combination of players to win the Championship.
Portland (and Damian) know they will never win a chip as constructed.
Philly HAS to trade Simmons.
Clippers have two big wings....no point guard or center....and Kawhi is injury prone.

Simmons WILL get traded. Portland and Clippers should blow it up and bring in new talent or young assets and picks.

Jerry West and the Warriors likely have a great relationship still. I would not be surprised to see Jerry and Myers help each other.

Maybe there is a three way deal done between some of these teams, one wants to start fresh and the other might want Simmons.

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

Why would they let Kawhi walk? Shoot, resign him for max max money and then trade him. Plenty of teams will trade for him even if he sits out a year.

Actually Dame goes to Philly. PG13 goes to Portland. Simmons goes to Clippers. That actually should work for all involved if Kawhi is gone this year. (Granted Kawhi has to "ok" this trade) If not sign and trade Kawhi if he is ok with it, and get back some draft picks.

Granted none of the above helps the Warriors. I was debating if Clippers blow it up, would the Warriors look to get PG13? Wigs, Wiseman, 7 and 14?

I just wouldn't give Kawhi that type of money straight up at this point much less count on being able to trade him on a long term deal. Too much on the line to gamble on his history IMO. Even Paul George has some injury stuff. If I was LAC I would be looking to move on and recoup some assets for a rebuild. PG13 going to Portland doesn't really help Portland much. I think they'd just rather have draft assets or a young first option type than pay him $40m per over the next 4 years.

[Mob Byers]

Well good fit PG has sure gotten the Clippers to fulfill their potential. Sometimes you just need great players all on the same team. There are multiple ways to build a contender.

Yeah Im sure it's his fault Kawhi torn his ACL and Ibaka needed back surgery.

So would you blame Lillard if Curry and Klay or Dray got injured in the playoffs and he doesn't get the team to the finals?

If anything you are making a great argument for keeping our assets/depth which I can't say I disagree with.

[shazam_guy]

I love George, but I don't want to trade away three lottery picks and Wiggins for him. I am simply not into mortgaging the entire future for the chance of winning next year. As you can see now with the Clips and Kawhi, that's one bad injury and then you're screwed for years because you traded the future away.

[Dom801e]

Posted on trade board but got swallowed up by Dame thread without getting responses:

Portland trades Lillard for Simmons, Mann, Paschall, Mulder, and #7.
Portland can choose to try to compete now or rebuild trading out CJ, Covington, Nurkic in separate trades.

Philadelphia trades Simmons and Thybulle for George and Smailagic.
Philadelphia upgrades from Simmons to George. He does a lot of similar things but is also willing to take big shots.

LAC trades George, Zubac, and Mann for Lillard and Looney.
LA gets best player in the trade. They downgrade from Zubac to Looney, but Looney is still worthy of playoff minutes.

GS trades Looney, Paschall, Mulder, Smailagic, and #7 for Zubac and Thybulle.
GS moves its lottery pick for young, cost-controlled depth. We get to hold on to Wiseman for the future and still have #14 but this move should help compete this year.

[ChuckDurn]

Posted on trade board but got swallowed up by Dame thread without getting responses:

Portland trades Lillard for Simmons, Mann, Paschall, Mulder, and #7.
Portland can choose to try to compete now or rebuild trading out CJ, Covington, Nurkic in separate trades.

Philadelphia trades Simmons and Thybulle for George and Smailagic.
Philadelphia upgrades from Simmons to George. He does a lot of similar things but is also willing to take big shots.

LAC trades George, Zubac, and Mann for Lillard and Looney.
LA gets best player in the trade. They downgrade from Zubac to Looney, but Looney is still worthy of playoff minutes.

GS trades Looney, Paschall, Mulder, Smailagic, and #7 for Zubac and Thybulle.
GS moves its lottery pick for young, cost-controlled depth. We get to hold on to Wiseman for the future and still have #14 but this move should help compete this year.

Everybody else is trading stars, we trade the #7 and get….. depth?

No thanks.

[watch1958]

Posted on trade board but got swallowed up by Dame thread without getting responses:

Portland trades Lillard for Simmons, Mann, Paschall, Mulder, and #7.
Portland can choose to try to compete now or rebuild trading out CJ, Covington, Nurkic in separate trades.

Philadelphia trades Simmons and Thybulle for George and Smailagic.
Philadelphia upgrades from Simmons to George. He does a lot of similar things but is also willing to take big shots.

LAC trades George, Zubac, and Mann for Lillard and Looney.
LA gets best player in the trade. They downgrade from Zubac to Looney, but Looney is still worthy of playoff minutes.

GS trades Looney, Paschall, Mulder, Smailagic, and #7 for Zubac and Thybulle.
GS moves its lottery pick for young, cost-controlled depth. We get to hold on to Wiseman for the future and still have #14 but this move should help compete this year.

Interesting, but I'd say no for the Warriors. Thybulle is solid on defense, but doesn't bring anything on offense. To play him much, you'd have to bring in more offense with, say, the #7 pick, which you'd have them give away.

As for Zubic, I can't help but remember him against Denver in the playoffs last year. If you are getting a big clunky center, but he doesn't help you matchup against someone like Jokic & stop the bleeding in the paint, then why?

I agree he is "better" than Looney in many ways. But I can't see the fit with this team. We know Looney fits, even if it is only 18-20 minutes per game.