2021 Draft Thread

[FNQ]

So it’s a day before the draft, and our selection is becoming clearer and clearer:

We want win now players (source: Myers), so we’re probably looking at Moody, Wagner, or Mitchell but with the #7 pick we also want the highest potential player so that should include Kuminga, Bouknight and Giddey but we can’t discount the idea of Keon Johnson or Ziaire going at 7, but don’t forget that we’ve also worked out Duarte, Trey Murphy, Kispert and Cam Thomas who could all be surprise light-years selections, all of which would be moot if we use last years #2 selection to move up to #4 and select Jalen Suggs, as we don’t currently have any lead guards, but only if we can’t acquire Brad Beal, Pascal Siakam, or Myles Turner - trades that we’ll only make if Lacob pops his head out of the war room and sees his shadow which also means 6 extra weeks of summer

Say what you will about our FO but they really need to do better about masking their plans, very reckless to be so transparent

[Mob Byers]

Spoiler:

I would love Suggs...

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target

So Kuminga/Wiseman or Moody/Wiseman for Suggs?

Goddam is he THAT good? Would have to follow up and trade Poole, too many undersized guys needing minutes between Suggs/Poole/Curry

Suggs is my no.1 and is a 6'4" PG who could play with Curry.

Anyone can play with Curry but midget ball typically doesn't work

See Portland, where CJ is actually longer than Suggs by a little. Hasn't worked out great for them as they never had any solid wings until Powell. Just a bunch of guards and bigs, yuck.

I'd rather look at Suggs as Curry's successor and limit their play together if this happens. It just doesn't work for large minutes in today's game.

Hoping the trade would include Boucher as well.

[Mob Byers]

So it’s a day before the draft, and our selection is becoming clearer and clearer:

We want win now players (source: Myers), so we’re probably looking at Moody, Wagner, or Mitchell but with the #7 pick we also want the highest potential player so that should include Kuminga, Bouknight and Giddey but we can’t discount the idea of Keon Johnson or Ziaire going at 7, but don’t forget that we’ve also worked out Duarte, Trey Murphy, Kispert and Cam Thomas who could all be surprise light-years selections, all of which would be moot if we use last years #2 selection to move up to #4 and select Jalen Suggs, as we don’t currently have any lead guards, but only if we can’t acquire Brad Beal, Pascal Siakam, or Myles Turner - trades that we’ll only make if Lacob pops his head out of the war room and sees his shadow which also means 6 extra weeks of summer

Say what you will about our FO but they really need to do better about masking their plans, very reckless to be so transparent

Amazing post

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target

Hypothetically, if that were to happen, obviously changes our offseason priorities. Who do we draft at the 14 now? Trey Murphy for depth at the 3? And now we need size and defense at the 5.

Noteable 5s who are UFA (None are stretch 5s or anything, though): Robin Lopez, Javale McGee, Dewayne Dedmon, Gorgui Dieng, DeMarcus Cousins, Nerlens Noel

[tal57]

ESPN’s new mock draft this morning has the Warriors taking Wagner at 7 (and Duarte at 14). I don’t recall who they had there before (either Mitchell, Bouknight, or Kuminga), but having Wagner there is a definite change. (Note: they had Bouknight going 6, and the Warriors passing on Kuminga, who they show going 8th.)

And Chad Ford published a note which said the Warriors were looking at Kuminga, Bouknight, and Wagner, but that “there’s a growing consensus “ around Wagner at 7.

He’s who I want, though if Kuminga is there at 7 (i.e. if Bouknight went top 6), I do think we should explore trades. I suspect somebody will want to move up for him, and would offer value.

I have to give credit to the fact that the Warriors have been linked to so many guys at 7 (Mitchell, Moody, Bouknight, Kuminga, Wagner) that I don’t think anybody knows who they really are going after. It’s possible the Warriors aren’t interested in Wagner at 7, but have leaked something in order to try to get somebody to trade up. Everybody thinks the Kings are in love with him at 9, so it wouldn’t be shocking to see the Warriors trying to coerce a trade-up from the Kings, and still get somebody that they’re interested in at 9.

This is such good news. He fits so seamlessly and is such an obvious fit. He would really complete the defense in any small lineup with his help defense while having 2 good point of attack defenders who don’t really do much off the ball.

Even if this is a smokescreen we might be able to get an extra asset out of the grizz or kings

I was looking at Wagner for a long while now, thinking that Kuminga wouldn't be available at 7. Wagner would not last anywhere close to 14. He and Duarte would be great pics. Not sexy pics and possibly not with a superstar ceilings, but have a part of both worlds. Some immediate help off the bench and grows for the future.

[Commodor]

I would rather try and offer #7, #14, unprotected 22, poole for Suggs than #7 & wiseman.

Don't know if there would be any biters though.

[lars_rosenberg]

I'm all in on Giddey. And I think in the back of Warriors leadership minds they want to makeup for the miss on Ball last year. Giddey is a similar talent.

Similar player, not similar talent imho.
He's got a similar skill set, but LaMelo is way better.
I was really impressed by LaMelo passing ability and court vision before the draft. I'm not impressed by Giddey. He's fine, but not great. And he has more physical limitations than Melo.

[tal57]

So it’s a day before the draft, and our selection is becoming clearer and clearer:

We want win now players (source: Myers), so we’re probably looking at Moody, Wagner, or Mitchell but with the #7 pick we also want the highest potential player so that should include Kuminga, Bouknight and Giddey but we can’t discount the idea of Keon Johnson or Ziaire going at 7, but don’t forget that we’ve also worked out Duarte, Trey Murphy, Kispert and Cam Thomas who could all be surprise light-years selections, all of which would be moot if we use last years #2 selection to move up to #4 and select Jalen Suggs, as we don’t currently have any lead guards, but only if we can’t acquire Brad Beal, Pascal Siakam, or Myles Turner - trades that we’ll only make if Lacob pops his head out of the war room and sees his shadow which also means 6 extra weeks of summer

Say what you will about our FO but they really need to do better about masking their plans, very reckless to be so transparent

Great post. Like I've said " Oh how I miss Jerry West"

[weekend_warrior]

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening).

The appeal of Wagner to me is the fit in our small ball unit as a 4. As Barnes moved from SF to PF when Iguodala got subbed in for Bogut, you could play Wagner as a 3 and a 4.

Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Wagner - Draymond is a really interesting line-up. Wagner is good at help defense (Wiggins and Klay are more man defenders), is tall enough to defend up, can shoot the 3 and can move the ball. I really like the fit.

[clyde21]

Sorry to break the news for you: we’re not selecting anywhere in the top 4 to have a player fulfill those voids. Moody and Wagner are likely boarderline career role players to decent starters, Kuminga is a project who doesn’t fit into the ballclub’s competitive window, JJ’s an even bigger project with a high risk/bust potential, Giddey may be worth a look but he’s only an elite passer aka another project who will take time to develop other areas of his game.

In other words: With where our drafting positions are currently, it’s no surprise some players will lack some elite skills and intangibles. Obviously, if we really don’t see potential NBA-ready prospects who can contribute, either trade out to other teams who see value for them or pick your available poisons.

u addressed nothing in my post and made no good points of your own

congrats on a terrible post.

So now Bouknight is undersized? Jesus H Christ.... and what is the average NBA height for a sg these days?

and Bouknights off ball movement is one of his strengths... your just making stuff up.

what the **** are you talking about? of course he's undersized. he logged in 6-3 at combine without shoes, yes, of course that's undersized, especially in our scheme where as a 2 he'll be asked to switch up to guard 3s, he won't be able to, he's a single-position defender, if that.

and lmao @ Bouk's strength being off-ball movement...just like Oubre off-ball movements were his strength, right? until you realize he's a one read cutter who has no clue how to relocate, make himself consistently available to the passer, or has any pick or screen setting juice.

it's bad enough I have to teach people on the general board about what the Warriors like to do and what kind of offense/players we've put on the court the last half a dozen years...but it's actually unbelievable that I have to consistently explain it to Dubs fans on this board. comical that ya'll still haven't learned your lesson after Wiseman.

i'll put this Bouknight BS to bed once and for all: we're talking about an undersized, heliocentric, ISO-heavy 2 guard who has piss poor vision/passing instincts, who shot 29% from 3 overall, shot 22% on spot up 3s (8-37), who's at best a single-position defender who won't be able to switch with a poor decision making history as a "lead" guard.

ya'll **** deserve Myers and the hellhole he's turned this team into...going from one of the best passing, highest IQ teams of all time to bringing on players like Oubre and Wiseman, and now seeing yall want him to take Bouknight. all yall care about is how cool he looks on a step 3 highlight because derp sportscenter derp without realizing he's a non-winning archetype in today's NBA and has ZERO historic fit in this scheme or with our personnel.

#2 and #7 overall picks in 2 consecutive drafts...only to come away with Wiseman and Bouknight...lmfao. yall really do deserve Myers.

[ChuckDurn]

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening), Giddey(being a nice passer is his ONLY NBA attribute and it's not enough, no shooting, no finishing, mediocre ballhandler, no defense, plays slow), Bouknight(usg% 31.6 ast% 12.8 is embarrassing, Collin Sexton was usg% 29.7 ast% 22.6 and Jordan Clarkson was usg% 29.7 ast% 15.3 for comparison).

YES to Kuminga(built like Lebron, he'll be able to come off the bench in the Kelly Oubre role from day 1), Moody(classic 3D wing swingman has enough defensive versatility to come in behind Klay or Wiggins from day 1).

Tell me you haven’t seen Wagner play without telling me you haven’t seen Wagner play.

[tal57]

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening).

The appeal of Wagner to me is the fit in our small ball unit as a 4. As Barnes moved from SF to PF when Iguodala got subbed in for Bogut, you could play Wagner as a 3 and a 4.

Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Wagner - Draymond is a really interesting line-up. Wagner is good at help defense (Wiggins and Klay are more man defenders), is tall enough to defend up, can shoot the 3 and can move the ball. I really like the fit.

Precisely is what I am thinking of. Some scoring and defense off the bench PLUS decent imitation of GS death lineups of the past.

[ChuckDurn]

I think it was on one of the Warriors-related podcasts that I heard a comparison that makes sense for Bouknight…… though I’ll make a slight modification.

He seems like Monta Ellis, but 2 inches taller. (Monta was listed at 6’3”, but in the old days, that included shoes, where Bouknight is 6’5” in shoes.)

Quick, shifty guy who can blow by guys, but his outside shot is questionable, and he’s not good at finding other players. In other words, makes a lot of plays for himself, but not others.

That seems like a pretty decent comparison. Though if Monta Ellis would have been 2 inches taller (as Bouknight is), he’d have been much more successful than he already was.

(Note: I wouldn’t want to take Bouknight at 7, my choices are still Wagner, followed by Moody, and I would look to trade down if Kuminga slips to 7. I’m just saying that the Bouknight comp to Ellis makes sense.)

[clyde21]

ESPN’s new mock draft this morning has the Warriors taking Wagner at 7 (and Duarte at 14). I don’t recall who they had there before (either Mitchell, Bouknight, or Kuminga), but having Wagner there is a definite change. (Note: they had Bouknight going 6, and the Warriors passing on Kuminga, who they show going 8th.)

And Chad Ford published a note which said the Warriors were looking at Kuminga, Bouknight, and Wagner, but that “there’s a growing consensus “ around Wagner at 7.

He’s who I want, though if Kuminga is there at 7 (i.e. if Bouknight went top 6), I do think we should explore trades. I suspect somebody will want to move up for him, and would offer value.

I have to give credit to the fact that the Warriors have been linked to so many guys at 7 (Mitchell, Moody, Bouknight, Kuminga, Wagner) that I don’t think anybody knows who they really are going after. It’s possible the Warriors aren’t interested in Wagner at 7, but have leaked something in order to try to get somebody to trade up. Everybody thinks the Kings are in love with him at 9, so it wouldn’t be shocking to see the Warriors trying to coerce a trade-up from the Kings, and still get somebody that they’re interested in at 9.

This is such good news. He fits so seamlessly and is such an obvious fit. He would really complete the defense in any small lineup with his help defense while having 2 good point of attack defenders who don’t really do much off the ball.

Even if this is a smokescreen we might be able to get an extra asset out of the grizz or kings

he fits in perfect but apparently we'd rather have high-usage ISO centric non-passing undersized 2 guard who can't switch instead.

[clyde21]

I would love Suggs...

The Golden State Warriors are trying to move up in the draft with Jalen Suggs at their target. Suggs has been most strongly linked with the Toronto Raptors at No. 4 as a clear top-3 has formed in Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley and Jalen Green.

The Warriors could use a package of James Wiseman and the No. 7 pick to move up for Suggs.

Read on Twitter

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263485/Warriors-Interested-In-Moving-Up-With-Jalen-Suggs-As-Target

if it wasn't for Wiseman's **** value right now this would've been possible.

[clyde21]

I would rather try and offer #7, #14, unprotected 22, poole for Suggs than #7 & wiseman.

Don't know if there would be any biters though.

if any team takes 7+Wiseman to move down take that **** and run.

[510TWSS]

What's Franz Wagner's upside? AK47?

Ak47? Did you ever see AK? Kirilenko was a shot blocking machine. His size fits more scottie barnes.

Im not thrashing you but they way off. Now if you just talking about offense skill set than maybe. Franz is known for his defense but it aint AK level.

I'd compare Wagner to a young Danilo Gallinari. Tall, long wing who can shoot from outside, handle well and playmake for others.

But on defense he seems like he's already better than Gallo ever was. Much better potential too.

tbf young Gallo rolled outta bed and was awarded 2 ft's he was a foul drawing machine

[510TWSS]

Going from Beal rumors to that Chad Ford tweet is like being told you're getting a nice Ribeye then at 6:45pm you're taken to a **** sizzler

[clyde21]

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening), Giddey(being a nice passer is his ONLY NBA attribute and it's not enough, no shooting, no finishing, mediocre ballhandler, no defense, plays slow), Bouknight(usg% 31.6 ast% 12.8 is embarrassing, Collin Sexton was usg% 29.7 ast% 22.6 and Jordan Clarkson was usg% 29.7 ast% 15.3 for comparison).

YES to Kuminga(built like Lebron, he'll be able to come off the bench in the Kelly Oubre role from day 1), Moody(classic 3D wing swingman has enough defensive versatility to come in behind Klay or Wiggins from day 1).

Tell me you haven’t seen Wagner play without telling me you haven’t seen Wagner play.

i dont understand why some people feel the need to chime in on things they don't know or understand or havent seen.

he's right on the Bouknight part tho.

[clyde21]

NO to Wagner(he's a catch and shoot stretch 4/5 which we shouldn't be investing the 7th pick on, if the Kings think he's their SF of the future they're in for a rude awakening).

The appeal of Wagner to me is the fit in our small ball unit as a 4. As Barnes moved from SF to PF when Iguodala got subbed in for Bogut, you could play Wagner as a 3 and a 4.

Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Wagner - Draymond is a really interesting line-up. Wagner is good at help defense (Wiggins and Klay are more man defenders), is tall enough to defend up, can shoot the 3 and can move the ball. I really like the fit.

Precisely is what I am thinking of. Some scoring and defense off the bench PLUS decent imitation of GS death lineups of the past.

i mean, the appeal of Franz is not hard

6-9 multi positional defender who projects as a 40+ 3pt shooter who drops his FTs at nearly 85% a clip who has some + passing chops at this size/length, thrives in a free flowing scheme and movement offense.

it's pretty easy to see a guy like Franz's path to success w/ the Warriors vs. a guy like Bouknight...anyone who wants Bouknight over Franz (or Moody, or JJ, or Kuminga or Giddy) for the Warriors should be treated as a double agent that wants to sabotage this team.