Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Scoots1994]

totally different things. we cant waste Curry/Klay/Green 's last 3 prime years. we are going all in now. Yes we need proven players. The window is closing on us.

Still, the team shouldn't bypass a talent they think could be elite just to get a proven role player.

And I don't agree that the team is going all in now ... they have said multiple times that they want to win now but not sacrifice the future to do so.

you can't do both though, a dynasty will end and this is inevitable. Bulls, Spurs.Lakers..every super team gone through the same. What is the chance that we are going to have a trio like Curry/Green/Klay again? we have to go all in now!

Really?

So in 2011 when the Spurs had Tim Duncan, Manu, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Richard Jefferson all late in their primes like the Warriors core, yet they added and developed Patty Mills, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph, and Kawhi and managed to continue and extend the franchise at a high level. Had Kawhi not lost his mind they would have continued being a winning franchise at a high level to today.

Teams can and have continued winning while developing players. The teams that have failed to do that, teams that have gone "all-in" tend to fall fast and quiet.

If the Warriors think there is a potential star in this draft they should take that player. Not doing it would be irresponsible.

[cpower]

Still, the team shouldn't bypass a talent they think could be elite just to get a proven role player.

And I don't agree that the team is going all in now ... they have said multiple times that they want to win now but not sacrifice the future to do so.

you can't do both though, a dynasty will end and this is inevitable. Bulls, Spurs.Lakers..every super team gone through the same. What is the chance that we are going to have a trio like Curry/Green/Klay again? we have to go all in now!

Really?

So in 2011 when the Spurs had Tim Duncan, Manu, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Richard Jefferson all late in their primes like the Warriors core, yet they added and developed Patty Mills, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph, and Kawhi and managed to continue and extend the franchise at a high level. Had Kawhi not lost his mind they would have continued being a winning franchise at a high level to today.

Teams can and have continued winning while developing players. The teams that have failed to do that, teams that have gone "all-in" tend to fall fast and quiet.

If the Warriors think there is a potential star in this draft they should take that player. Not doing it would be irresponsible.

the difference is Spurs had Parker, who was just 27 years old in 2011. That's like we have Beal in this lineup. They also has George Hill (better than our subs) and D Green who happened to be the best 3D player in league history. Next year they got Kawhi - a top 20 all time player from their 15th pick. What is the chance of that? Let's say we happen to draft a star.. it will probably needs 3 years to mature and make an impact.

[Scoots1994]

you can't do both though, a dynasty will end and this is inevitable. Bulls, Spurs.Lakers..every super team gone through the same. What is the chance that we are going to have a trio like Curry/Green/Klay again? we have to go all in now!

Really?

So in 2011 when the Spurs had Tim Duncan, Manu, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Richard Jefferson all late in their primes like the Warriors core, yet they added and developed Patty Mills, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph, and Kawhi and managed to continue and extend the franchise at a high level. Had Kawhi not lost his mind they would have continued being a winning franchise at a high level to today.

Teams can and have continued winning while developing players. The teams that have failed to do that, teams that have gone "all-in" tend to fall fast and quiet.

If the Warriors think there is a potential star in this draft they should take that player. Not doing it would be irresponsible.

the difference is Spurs had Parker, who was just 27 years old in 2011. That's like we have Beal in this lineup. They also has George Hill (better than our subs) and D Green who happened to be the best 3D player in league history. Next year they got Kawhi - a top 20 all time player from their 15th pick. What is the chance of that? Let's say we happen to draft a star.. it will probably needs 3 years to mature and make an impact.

The point is they were adding and developing young players and not just going for vets to maximize their chances of winning now.

[Little Digger]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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[whatisacenter]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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I'm glad to see that this is pure conjecture from Windy...I think that is too much to give up for a player like Beal, not a fan, we need more long wings not less.

[Hopper15]

Great idea. Let's take ourselves out of the Giannis sweepstakes and move Klay to SF so we can have the worst defensive backcourt in the league.

[donkeylips]

i like beal but he's not what the warriors need right now.

[ahmetmekin]

Great idea. Let's take ourselves out of the Giannis sweepstakes and move Klay to SF so we can have the worst defensive backcourt in the league.

I always thought NR 1 plan is to get a star player so this rumor is somewhat consistent with this line of thought. This rumor can be seen as a way of telling Giannis (and if there are some other stars(probably someone like Embiid) who is considering to team up with Steph) that he should hurry if he wants to join the Warriors. So I like the existence of such rumors but not actually getting Beal.

[cpower]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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I'm glad to see that this is pure conjecture from Windy...I think that is too much to give up for a player like Beal, not a fan, we need more long wings not less.

well Beal is a lot easiler to move than Wiggins...Myers may finally get it. you stuck with Wiggins its over.

[whatisacenter]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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I'm glad to see that this is pure conjecture from Windy...I think that is too much to give up for a player like Beal, not a fan, we need more long wings not less.

well Beal is a lot easiler to move than Wiggins...Myers may finally get it. you stuck with Wiggins its over.

I like Wiggins fit with the Warriors better than DLo and Beal and I trust Myers judgement more than some guy on the internet.

[TB]

When you adjust for per 100 possessions (wizards play at an insane pace), Beal numbers are eerily similar to D-Lo last year. He gets to the line a couple more times and finishes 2's a bit better... but its not as big an improvement as one would expect.

I still like Beal way more than D-Lo, but to not only be the final piece we get from the KD deal, but also giving up the #2 and minny pick... its just way too much.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

If this happens, Beal should be our expensive 6th man. HELLO NO to Klay playing the 3. We just need to plug up our 3 spot via MLE or draft. But, I don't know.. We're giving up way too much for a player who was on a undermanned/crap team for a couple seasons now..

[SF_Warriors]

you can't do both though, a dynasty will end and this is inevitable. Bulls, Spurs.Lakers..every super team gone through the same. What is the chance that we are going to have a trio like Curry/Green/Klay again? we have to go all in now!

Really?

So in 2011 when the Spurs had Tim Duncan, Manu, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Richard Jefferson all late in their primes like the Warriors core, yet they added and developed Patty Mills, Danny Green, Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph, and Kawhi and managed to continue and extend the franchise at a high level. Had Kawhi not lost his mind they would have continued being a winning franchise at a high level to today.

Teams can and have continued winning while developing players. The teams that have failed to do that, teams that have gone "all-in" tend to fall fast and quiet.

If the Warriors think there is a potential star in this draft they should take that player. Not doing it would be irresponsible.

the difference is Spurs had Parker, who was just 27 years old in 2011. That's like we have Beal in this lineup. They also has George Hill (better than our subs) and D Green who happened to be the best 3D player in league history. Next year they got Kawhi - a top 20 all time player from their 15th pick. What is the chance of that? Let's say we happen to draft a star.. it will probably needs 3 years to mature and make an impact.

Parker was about one year younger than both klay and draymond currently are when Kawhi was drafted. He was not 27. Duncan was 35 and Manu was 34. They actually traded a 25 year old george hill in order to draft a 20 year old kawhi.
Kawhi in year 2 went to the finals and in year 3 won the fmvp. He averaged about 12-13ppg both of those years in the regular season. How about rondo when he was a soph helping a veteran big three win a championship, or soph tayshaun guarding kobe in the finals?

There is a misconception that the #2 this year needs to be an all star as a rookie to help the team get back to contention. As long as he can contribute positively and play well within his role, its good to have young legs to supplement an older core. Of course, if the right trade comes along you take it but the team should not have the mindset that the #2 NEEDS to be traded for the team to be successful in the next few years. Young players can help too and they will be learning under some championship vets. Its also good to have a potential young building block/asset when the team needs to begin transitioning from our current veteran core.

[Commodor]

I think if we are able to build a trade to entice for Beal, then there would be a good chance we move him for a star from a team looking to retool rather than rebuild (Simmons? Embiid? PG?). Beal fills a need for a lot of teams.

It would kill all hopes of a return of "Strength in Numbers".

[DevinVassell]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

Parroting what others have already said... but I much prefer Wiggins and two high picks than Beal. Yuck. I want length all over the court and moving Klay to the 3 spot is silly when we have literally the greatest backcourt in the history of the NBA. Steph/Klay together is already perfect.

[jason bourne]

It seems the way things turned out that the Ws were better off keeping DLo. He has better trade value than Wiggins. Then they would have the leverage to trade him to the TWolves for their #1 pick in 2020. Instead, the Ws decided to take Wiggins + their protected 2021 pick.

If the Ws can get Beal, Simmons, Embiid, or Donovan Mitchell for Wiggins + FRP, then it's almost like keeping KD. However, I doubt Wiggins will get it done unless he improves into practically an All-Star next season. It's doubtful at this point.

[Scoots1994]

It seems the way things turned out that the Ws were better off keeping DLo. He has better trade value than Wiggins. Then they would have the leverage to trade him to the TWolves for their #1 pick in 2020. Instead, the Ws decided to take Wiggins + their protected 2021 pick.

If the Ws can get Beal, Simmons, Embiid, or Donovan Mitchell for Wiggins + FRP, then it's almost like keeping KD. However, I doubt Wiggins will get it done unless he improves into practically an All-Star next season. It's doubtful at this point.

Next year's pick is more valuable than this year's pick. I would rather have Wiggins and next year's Minny #1 rather than their #1 this year and Wiggins (the trade to the Wolves would still net us Wiggins)

I don't know why people keep coming up with this idea that DLo would be somehow worth more now than during the season. As more people saw him struggling to play in the Warriors different style it would somehow make his value go up?

[xdrta+]

It seems the way things turned out that the Ws were better off keeping DLo. He has better trade value than Wiggins. Then they would have the leverage to trade him to the TWolves for their #1 pick in 2020. Instead, the Ws decided to take Wiggins + their protected 2021 pick.

If the Ws can get Beal, Simmons, Embiid, or Donovan Mitchell for Wiggins + FRP, then it's almost like keeping KD. However, I doubt Wiggins will get it done unless he improves into practically an All-Star next season. It's doubtful at this point.

Next year's pick is more valuable than this year's pick. I would rather have Wiggins and next year's Minny #1 rather than their #1 this year and Wiggins (the trade to the Wolves would still net us Wiggins)

I don't know why people keep coming up with this idea that DLo would be somehow worth more now than during the season. As more people saw him struggling to play in the Warriors different style it would somehow make his value go up?

There is no way in the world Russell would be worth more than Wiggins either for trade or for the Warriors' own needs. People have selective memories -- the Warriors could only get rid of Russell because one team had a very specific reason for wanting him. No other team wanted him.

[Little Digger]

That’s an all time great trade if Wiggins can improve as a 3 point shooter for us..I know he’s working on it..

Russell for Wiggins and what could end up being the #1 overall in 2022..at worst it’s a solid pick in a loaded 21 draft..

I just can’t believe what a horrible move that is for Sota’s future

[jason bourne]

It seems the way things turned out that the Ws were better off keeping DLo. He has better trade value than Wiggins. Then they would have the leverage to trade him to the TWolves for their #1 pick in 2020. Instead, the Ws decided to take Wiggins + their protected 2021 pick.

If the Ws can get Beal, Simmons, Embiid, or Donovan Mitchell for Wiggins + FRP, then it's almost like keeping KD. However, I doubt Wiggins will get it done unless he improves into practically an All-Star next season. It's doubtful at this point.

Next year's pick is more valuable than this year's pick. I would rather have Wiggins and next year's Minny #1 rather than their #1 this year and Wiggins (the trade to the Wolves would still net us Wiggins)

I don't know why people keep coming up with this idea that DLo would be somehow worth more now than during the season. As more people saw him struggling to play in the Warriors different style it would somehow make his value go up?

Where's Coxy and Mylie10? They wanted Wiseman and still would've had a FRP to trade for a vet and another FRP.