2020 Draft Thread

[KevinMcreynolds]

I wouldn't take a low ceiling instant role player with the #2 pick. It's so hard to get a top 2 pick. Amazingly even with the number of bad years we had pre-West the last time we picked in the top 5 was in 2002 with Mike Dunleavy. Peja was destroying teams from outside and was right up the road and I think that was the hope behind Dunleavy.

But the last time we picked in the top 2 was in 1995, it's not often. Look at the Knicks annual draft position disappointment. Just looking at that 1995 draft it's fascinating that we went 1st and yet the next four picks were all all-stars. That would be rough if we got a role player and next four guys chosen after became all-stars.

#2 picks the past 20 drafts...

2000: Stromile Swift
2001: Tyson chandler
2002: Jay Williams
2003: Darko Miličić
2004: Emeka Okafor
2005: Marvin Williams
2006: LaMarcus Aldridge
2007: Kevin Durant
2008: Michael Beasley
2009: Hasheem Thabeet
2010: Evan Turner
2011: Derrick Williams
2012: MKG
2013: Victor Oladipo
2014: Jabari Parker
2015: DLo
2016: Brandon Ingram
2017: Lonzo Ball
2018: Marvin Bagley
2019: Ja Morant

Just total crap besides KD...trade the pick for the magical 7 slot...

wtf? there's a bunch of good players on that list besides KD

[DAWill1128]

Trading down into that 7-10 range is just praying that a lot of teams make mistakes and you get your guy. Later lottery brings a lot of disappointment like Udoh, O'Bryant, Diogu. I think Barnes was the only one I was pleasantly surprised was available at pick 7. I still have memories of Cousins being picked one slot ahead of Udoh, just a prime example of two guys playing the same position and one with all-star potential and the other you are praying is a passable role player.

I say take the guy you want and let other teams throw out some offers after. Don't just trade and hope your guy is still on board. A team like the Spurs or Celtics can always trade up and take your guy and leave you picking between a couple guys you had little interest or scouting on.

[ShayDee]

Just don't draft Okoro. The existence of Draymond on this team eliminates all non shooting prospect that isn't a big

[Coxy]

Trading back to select another Ike Diogu, Anthony Randolph, Patty O'Bryant or Udoh sure sounds like fun. About as fun as hammering a nail into your testicle.

[ShayDee]

Yea I was also going to write. You don't pick in the lottery to get a role player. We are supposed to be looking for the next franchise player or All-star, not a bench player regardless of how weak the draft is. You don't get to pick top 2 often

[KevinMcreynolds]

Trading back to select another Ike Diogu, Anthony Randolph, Patty O'Bryant or Udoh sure sounds like fun. About as fun as hammering a nail into your testicle.

this year's Ike/POB/Udoh is that Poku dude all the hipsters are in love with

[Coxy]

Trading back to select another Ike Diogu, Anthony Randolph, Patty O'Bryant or Udoh sure sounds like fun. About as fun as hammering a nail into your testicle.

this year's Ike/POB/Udoh is that Poku dude all the hipsters are in love with

Onyeka Okongwu could be that guy as well. I remember watching Udoh and Brandon Wright and thinking they would be the nuts just like this dude.

[Little Digger]

If the 2020 draft gets pushed into 2021, do more prospects become eligible?

[Mav_Carter]

I'm staking my entire reputation on Patrick Williams...

[jason bourne]

CBS Sports mock has GSW switching #2 for #8 of the Knicks and drafting Deni.

Doesn't say what else GSW gets from Knicks for that swap of picks.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade-up-to-land-lamelo-ball-timberwolves-select-anthony-edwards-with-top-pick/

I would be ok with a pick swap with NY + Mitchell Robinson.

I love MRob. See below. At #8, I think the Ws will be looking at Haliburton, Vassel, or Okoro. The big men will likely be gone so MRob would fill the bill with his perimeter, man-to-man defense, and shot blocking. He's not a strongest rebounder, but can score a little with lob dunks and rebound putbacks. Still working to get more minutes though. Good in transition. Would the Knicks deal MRob?

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[jason bourne]

Trading back to select another Ike Diogu, Anthony Randolph, Patty O'Bryant or Udoh sure sounds like fun. About as fun as hammering a nail into your testicle.

this year's Ike/POB/Udoh is that Poku dude all the hipsters are in love with

Onyeka Okongwu could be that guy as well. I remember watching Udoh and Brandon Wright and thinking they would be the nuts just like this dude.

What was nice was Bob Myers said the same thing by stating the #2 pick is of better quality than trading down. I think he meant getting the player who is involved in the trade down makes it worthwhile such as MRob.

At #2, I think he'll go with the consensus top 4 or 5 picks. Of course, big men will get the most looks so even someone like Okongwu or Toppin could sneak in there. Even Deni. That said, it's hard to draft somebody moving up if they haven't had a chance to work him out. Myers was saying somebody would've had to see him play to make a selection. I thought he meant if he traded down. It was also interesting they said they weren't interested in Wiseman nor LaMelo before the lottery. That could've been to grease the skids for a trade as teams would start talking about getting the #2 pick. I don't think he mentioned Edwards so he must think he'll go #1.

[Mylie10]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

[ChuckDurn]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

Yeah, it’s hilarious. None of the Warriors’ front office has actually said anything about any of the potential draftees, and the clickbaits have at alternate times said they love every one of Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Okongwu, Demi, Haliburton, Vassell, Bey, Okoro, Toppin and then they aren’t interested in that prospect.

Very effective job by the front office so far to mask whatever their intentions actually are.

[whatisacenter]

CBS Sports mock has GSW switching #2 for #8 of the Knicks and drafting Deni.

Doesn't say what else GSW gets from Knicks for that swap of picks.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade-up-to-land-lamelo-ball-timberwolves-select-anthony-edwards-with-top-pick/

I would be ok with a pick swap with NY + Mitchell Robinson.

I love MRob. See below. At #8, I think the Ws will be looking at Haliburton, Vassel, or Okoro. The big men will likely be gone so MRob would fill the bill with his perimeter, man-to-man defense, and shot blocking. He's not a strongest rebounder, but can score a little with lob dunks and rebound putbacks. Still working to get more minutes though. Good in transition. Would the Knicks deal MRob?

Depends on who is available at #2 and how much NY is willing to trade for them. I like Devin Vassell in a trade back pick.

[Little Digger]

I'm staking my entire reputation on Patrick Williams...

Williams is currently #3 on my big board..if you want further updates on any individual prospect , it’s $3.99 per..send to multiplesaucestrueinsider@tmail.com

[jason bourne]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

Yeah, it’s hilarious. None of the Warriors’ front office has actually said anything about any of the potential draftees, and the clickbaits have at alternate times said they love every one of Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Okongwu, Demi, Haliburton, Vassell, Bey, Okoro, Toppin and then they aren’t interested in that prospect.

Very effective job by the front office so far to mask whatever their intentions actually are.

Yeah, you could be right in the clickbait articles, but they were also written by other writers in other towns. I haven't livde in the SF, the Bay Area, nor Silicon Valley for over twenty years. I think this is the general perception of the Warriors and one has to believe something as a foundation. Otherwise, everything is rumors.

Anyway, the top picks' conssensus would've been the ones whom the most scounts, team reps, execs, and more would've seen first hand. That becomes important during the pandemic we have been going through. It's also why I've soured on James Wiseman and I've followed him. Anyway, people continue to make excuses for him and still want him. That's okay, but he's trade bait and someone who'll take 2 - 3 years to develop. Even DAJ (higher ceiling) or Hassan Whiteside took years to get where they are in their primes or rn. A few TWolves fans want to draft Wiseman so that the Ws will trade up for him and give them back their 2021 pick .

If Anthony Edwards drops, then Ws should take him as third Splash Bros and guy who has the quickest first step in the draft. Or if they take LaMelo (highest ceiling in the draft?) as trade bait for the future. He can be the Shaun Livingston role as he's developing, but hopefully Knicks (put up MRob!), Bulls, Cavs, Hawks, Pistons, or even the Wizards start trade talks for the #2. They could talk with the TWolves or each other, too. I dunno. Hornets seem like a safe bet for Wiseman. I don't think Ws want to wait on him. There must be someone else they'll want to keep for trade bait next year or later like LaMelo. AntMan? No, he'll be a keeper.

Any other big men, you guys like from the above teams. Thomas Bryant of the Wizards would be okay, too, but would they want LaMelo? Any other big men worth trading down for? Oh yeah, Marcus Bagley III .

[Mylie10]

I love how Bourne keeps repeating the same bS about Wiseman.

He says we need a big man, and then leaves Wiseman off of every list. Lol

He doesn’t have to like Wiseman but not even putting him on a big man list is crazy. The kid is legitimately 7’ tall with a legitimate 7’5” wingspan, Uber athletic, shot blocker, runs great, appears to be a smart kid, working hard, working on non traditional big man skills, working on shooting from range and has a great looking shot.

I don’t get you guys sometimes. And nobody mentions this fact about his short time at Memphis.

Penny Hardaway was using him like he was Young Shaq in Orlando. He was having him post up, with sometimes double teams, and the guards were still forcing the ball in there. It was so dumb, and those passes into the post were either way off, or forced into the defense. Then you have some dummies claiming he has hands of stone, smh.

With our team, Wiseman will be setting screens, catching lobs, running the floor, and hitting the occasional wide open looks from midrange. Most likely the elbows. He will do that right away.

He will also rebound, block and change shots with length and help defense. And run with other big men. Right away.

But he’s going to improve every season and add to his game. He’s already working hard on the other aspects, and in high school he was letting it fly.

I blame what he looked like at Memphis on Penny. Good or bad. And of course the kid has a ton to learn, but so does every other player coming into the league.

[Onus]

I love how Bourne keeps repeating the same bS about Wiseman.

He says we need a big man, and then leaves Wiseman off of every list. Lol

He doesn’t have to like Wiseman but not even putting him on a big man list is crazy. The kid is legitimately 7’ tall with a legitimate 7’5” wingspan, Uber athletic, shot blocker, runs great, appears to be a smart kid, working hard, working on non traditional big man skills, working on shooting from range and has a great looking shot.

I don’t get you guys sometimes. And nobody mentions this fact about his short time at Memphis.

Penny Hardaway was using him like he was Young Shaq in Orlando. He was having him post up, with sometimes double teams, and the guards were still forcing the ball in there. It was so dumb, and those passes into the post were either way off, or forced into the defense. Then you have some dummies claiming he has hands of stone, smh.

With our team, Wiseman will be setting screens, catching lobs, running the floor, and hitting the occasional wide open looks from midrange. Most likely the elbows. He will do that right away.

He will also rebound, block and change shots with length and help defense. And run with other big men. Right away.

But he’s going to improve every season and add to his game. He’s already working hard on the other aspects, and in high school he was letting it fly.

I blame what he looked like at Memphis on Penny. Good or bad. And of course the kid has a ton to learn, but so does every other player coming into the league.

It’s more about wiseman awareness, bbiq, and desire to be the best. Watching him try to post up at random times clogging the paint and disrupting drivers was like watching Dwight Howard. Like set a screen, clear a lane in the paint when you see your teammate driving. That’s not on Penny.

And yes this should be coachable it’s not some irredeemable flaw, but let’s not act like he doesn’t have flaws. Let’s not make excuses for him when it’s not needed.

And yes I want to draft wiseman.

[jason bourne]

Let's review for a few of the ones who don't understand my posts and then call me dumb. First, the BIGGEST BUSTS of teams in the draft and of all time has happened by bypassing the smaller, more talented player for a BIG MAN Hello MJ and whom Steve Kerr thinks is the most talented b-ball player he has ever seen - KD. First, that's usually how the consensus works. The talented big man would've been the one most seen and scouted.

If you want to take a big man high up, then you have to seen him personally and you have to be absolutely sure about him. The consensus will gravitate to him as big men are selected early. If Ws trade down, then they won't be able to get an Okongwu or even Deni unless they trade down in the top 5. Toppin could be #6 as he always was being touted as a player a weak team could plug in now. After that, then next big man available would prolly be Precious Achiuwa whom former Ws GM, Chris Mullin, likes.

I also mention RED FLAGS, but some just have blinders on. Some have blinders and ear muffs on. A few just use ad hominem attacks to weaken another's arguments. I get it. That's just how the NBA draft is for us b-ball fans. How often does one get a top #1 or #2 pick. The negative nellies were saying the Ws would get the #5 which would've been the worst and had a high percentage, too. The reality was the Ws had the best chance of getting a pick in the top 4. I said that on ww.net and that is still true with the odds. The Warriors were extremely lucky in the draft to get #2 with their 14% chance. The Ws definitely need to make the pick count for another chance at a championship in 2021 and in the next two or three seasons. They need to get a top trade bait or a player who will help in that short a time. We know Wiseman won't be able to do that as the old axiom is true in that BIG MEN TAKE LONGER TO DEVELOP. Even the few TWolves posters I mentioned who want to take Wiseman so the Ws will trade up for him don't get this .