Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[vvoland]

I wonder what they could get for a Podz and Kuminga package.

Yeah, not that I think it’s likely that Kuminga leaves via a sign-and-trade, most of the packages that have been talked about have guards coming back…. As well as the likelihood of Melton coming back, and either Seth Curry or GP2. So odds are they will have to move a guard or two to balance the roster. So I’m been wondering if quietly they’re gauging Podz’s value as a way to get some higher-level talent on the front line while they balance things out.

Obviously just hugely speculative, but possible.

While it would be smart to sell high on Podz. There is no way Kerr is going to let him go anywhere.

Podz will probably be playing 30mpg this upcoming season. I'm pretty sure they have him penciled in as a starter too

I've been banging this drum since halfway through his rookie year. Too bad the dubs won't listen.

[vvoland]

I thought the $73m was the number attached to the earlier report that we had the best offer but that JK just didn't want to be here but it looks like that was incorrect on my part. To your last question, I think what we may be missing is some context with the reports that are coming out, which is why I said I take it with a grain of salt since they really seem to disproportionately favor Kuminga's position. Maybe they are 100 percent face value, in which case I'm right there with you. I just think that it's probably something in the middle like the Dubs are willing to bend on either waiving the NTC or the team option, but JK's camp is asking for something additional that's not being reported, etc.

If they relented on the NTC OR the non-guarantee, I think he would have signed. At the very least, the team would have leaked it considering how public they've been in these negotiations and trade conversations. I guess they could slap a 3M partial guarantee on that 2nd year and say they've upped the offer. Does a partial guarantee remove the inherent NTC, does anyone know that detail?

[Onus]

Yeah, not that I think it’s likely that Kuminga leaves via a sign-and-trade, most of the packages that have been talked about have guards coming back…. As well as the likelihood of Melton coming back, and either Seth Curry or GP2. So odds are they will have to move a guard or two to balance the roster. So I’m been wondering if quietly they’re gauging Podz’s value as a way to get some higher-level talent on the front line while they balance things out.

Obviously just hugely speculative, but possible.

While it would be smart to sell high on Podz. There is no way Kerr is going to let him go anywhere.

Podz will probably be playing 30mpg this upcoming season. I'm pretty sure they have him penciled in as a starter too

I've been banging this drum since halfway through his rookie year. Too bad the dubs won't listen.

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

[Onus]

I thought the $73m was the number attached to the earlier report that we had the best offer but that JK just didn't want to be here but it looks like that was incorrect on my part. To your last question, I think what we may be missing is some context with the reports that are coming out, which is why I said I take it with a grain of salt since they really seem to disproportionately favor Kuminga's position. Maybe they are 100 percent face value, in which case I'm right there with you. I just think that it's probably something in the middle like the Dubs are willing to bend on either waiving the NTC or the team option, but JK's camp is asking for something additional that's not being reported, etc.

If they relented on the NTC OR the non-guarantee, I think he would have signed. At the very least, the team would have leaked it considering how public they've been in these negotiations and trade conversations. I guess they could slap a 3M partial guarantee on that 2nd year and say they've upped the offer. Does a partial guarantee remove the inherent NTC, does anyone know that detail?

JK doesn't have a lot of value which is why we don't want to guarantee a 2nd year.

JK's value seems to be just salary filler which is why we're only offering 1 guaranteed year making him an expiring contract. The protected 1st is to dump Monk they won't even unprotect the 1st for JK, and the Suns are only able to really offer salary filler for JK.

I'd bet we keep JK through the deadline because no one is going to give us "value" for him so we should just guarantee the 2nd year since he's going to come back. It's crazy that we won't even match the 3/63 that the kings offered because we don't want to be saddled with JK long term even though we'll end up paying him more when he's not traded on our current offer next year.

[Nvnervous45]

The problem is kuminga's not worth what the kings are supposedly offering on this team. Until he can learn to move the ball so we get the most efficient shot on a given possession, he's toast here.

[Onus]

The problem is kuminga's not worth what the kings are supposedly offering on this team. Until he can learn to move the ball so we get the most efficient shot on a given possession, he's toast here.

The problem is that we don’t think we’d be able to trade that contract for any value which is why we aren’t at the very least matching or beating that.

[Nvnervous45]

And we only get half that contract space back in a sign and trade with the kings....it's a bad situation for everyone the way the league rules are structured.

[whatisacenter]

While it would be smart to sell high on Podz. There is no way Kerr is going to let him go anywhere.

Podz will probably be playing 30mpg this upcoming season. I'm pretty sure they have him penciled in as a starter too

I've been banging this drum since halfway through his rookie year. Too bad the dubs won't listen.

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

[vvoland]

I've been banging this drum since halfway through his rookie year. Too bad the dubs won't listen.

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

5/125. Joe's son he wished he had will get the bag

[vvoland]

The problem is kuminga's not worth what the kings are supposedly offering on this team. Until he can learn to move the ball so we get the most efficient shot on a given possession, he's toast here.

The problem is that we don’t think we’d be able to trade that contract for any value which is why we aren’t at the very least matching or beating that.

Do you agree with the dubs in not guaranteeing the second year OR letting him keep the NTC OR giving him a longer deal (4/90)?

[CS707]

The problem is kuminga's not worth what the kings are supposedly offering on this team. Until he can learn to move the ball so we get the most efficient shot on a given possession, he's toast here.

The problem is that we don’t think we’d be able to trade that contract for any value which is why we aren’t at the very least matching or beating that.

Do you agree with the dubs in not guaranteeing the second year OR letting him keep the NTC OR giving him a longer deal (4/90)?

Question wasn't for me, but I'd guarantee the second year assuming it's around what's being reported. The NTC just makes it a more expensive version of the QO. If things go awry next year I think we'll see major shake ups anyway.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Need some clarification.

If Jk signs a 1+1 (2/48 for example)with the second year as a team option. And gets traded at the deadline.

Let's assume he plays well in that half a season. Could the team not exercise that team option and just extend him on a longer deal?

Jk gets 24M this season, then can negotiate a 4/100 deal next off season with said team.

[Onus]

I've been banging this drum since halfway through his rookie year. Too bad the dubs won't listen.

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

If we’re lucky 20-25 for multiple years rather than a single year.

[wco81]

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

5/125. Joe's son he wished he had will get the bag

He needs to raise his scoring from 10.4 for his career (11.7 last season) to around 15 PPG while keeping good efficiency (45/38 for his career).

His thing is being the jack of all trades, a glue guy. But scoring is what gets players paid.

Also, his playoffs performance was well off his regular season, in terms of efficiency.

He's going to have to show he's as effective in the playoffs as in the regular season.

[Onus]

The problem is kuminga's not worth what the kings are supposedly offering on this team. Until he can learn to move the ball so we get the most efficient shot on a given possession, he's toast here.

The problem is that we don’t think we’d be able to trade that contract for any value which is why we aren’t at the very least matching or beating that.

Do you agree with the dubs in not guaranteeing the second year OR letting him keep the NTC OR giving him a longer deal (4/90)?

If we plan on trading him then yes not guaranteeing him a 2nd year is best for us as it appears he would have more value as a possible expiring. No NTC.

Since it’s likely that we’ll be keeping him because no one will ever give us value that Joe will accept id give him a longer deal. he’d be cheaper and happier.

[vvoland]

The problem is that we don’t think we’d be able to trade that contract for any value which is why we aren’t at the very least matching or beating that.

Do you agree with the dubs in not guaranteeing the second year OR letting him keep the NTC OR giving him a longer deal (4/90)?

If we plan on trading him then yes not guaranteeing him a 2nd year is best for us as it appears he would have more value as a possible expiring. No NTC.

Since it’s likely that we’ll be keeping him because no one will ever give us value that Joe will accept id give him a longer deal. he’d be cheaper and happier.

If people value him as an expiring, almost by definition, we'll get low value. Even if the goal is to trade him, if he's only "filler" he's probably more useful here, even if only as a backup plan to Jimmy, dray, etc

I don't think we can get him to waive the NTC while keeping that second year as a team option. If a partial guarantee removes the NTC, as TK implied, just do that.

[vvoland]

Podz is likely to get a larger extension than JK is.

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

If we’re lucky 20-25 for multiple years rather than a single year.

Meaning you'd hope podz is back on a 4-5 year deal at 25/yr? I'm confident he will get that here but I have a hard time seeing how his play will warrant it

[Onus]

How much do you think he will get?

I think he would be an off the bench combo guard on most teams.

If we’re lucky 20-25 for multiple years rather than a single year.

Meaning you'd hope podz is back on a 4-5 year deal at 25/yr? I'm confident he will get that here but I have a hard time seeing how his play will warrant it

He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.

[whatisacenter]

If we’re lucky 20-25 for multiple years rather than a single year.

Meaning you'd hope podz is back on a 4-5 year deal at 25/yr? I'm confident he will get that here but I have a hard time seeing how his play will warrant it

He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.

+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

[EvanZ]

I'm not sure you can pencil in Podz for much more than Herb Jones just got. It's a new CBA, a new world. I think there will be superstars that get paid like superstars and a lot of middle class.