"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Onus]

We have 3 guys who ONLY play center. 2 are injured and 1 (Kuzmic) is useless. Yes, we need to keep Speights and Lee.

Speights has played less than 10% of his minutes at pf. Ezeli has played 1% less minutes at pf. I guess he plays pf for us as well

Um, a lot of Ezeli's minutes were playing with Kuzmic in garbage time during the 4th quarter. Ezeli is a center only.

Exactly speights doesn't play PF for us either

[azwfan]

Speights has played less than 10% of his minutes at pf. Ezeli has played 1% less minutes at pf. I guess he plays pf for us as well

Um, a lot of Ezeli's minutes were playing with Kuzmic in garbage time during the 4th quarter. Ezeli is a center only.

Exactly speights doesn't play PF for us either

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

[Onus]

Um, a lot of Ezeli's minutes were playing with Kuzmic in garbage time during the 4th quarter. Ezeli is a center only.

Exactly speights doesn't play PF for us either

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

[azwfan]

Exactly speights doesn't play PF for us either

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

No, because our #1 center is injured and our #2 center sucked in the beginning of the year, giving Speights a shot. He finally got another chance when bogut went down, did well for a few games and then got injured himself. Thats why Speights has played center. Are you not paying attention or just like to argue?

[turk3d]

Exactly speights doesn't play PF for us either

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

Only because Bogut's injured. They play Center out of necessity (because we don't have one other than Kuzmic). What's our +- with Bogut in the lineup? Or when Ezeli plays? Playing Mo @ Center is nother more than a stopgap for us and we certainly shouldn't be dealing him until we get our bigs back. Dalembert's not going to do it for us as a starting Center and neither is Lee by himself. The time to trade Mo (if any) will be next season when he's an expiring. Then maybe we can get a #1 for him if that makes sense.

[Coxy]

Speights isn't much of difference maker. Like Barnes he's just taking advantage of a great situation.

Speights is being spoken about as a front runner for 6th man of the year and also MIP. Sure the system has something to do with it, but he's thriving in this system and winning games on his own. When Speights gets going, he looks like a prime Karl Malone. He makes stopping us that much harder. The other team has their hands full with stopping Curry, then Klay, then Green, then Barnes, then Liv, then Lee, then Iggy, then Bogut, then all of a sudden, Jabba the Speights turns it on like he's playing pick up ball against a 13 yr old women's lawn bowls team.

I'd like another rim protector as well, but don't move a guy that's having a career season for us.

[Mylie10]

JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz

Actually he wouldn't just be sitting on the bench. He'd be playing because the 1st two centers are injured.

Is jo better than lee or speights? No then he'd be the third string center at this point. Once bogut and Ezeli start coming back that just pushes him further and further down the line

Who cares if he's sitting on the bench or if he comes in and provides rim protection for us in a critical moment......who do you trust in a playoff game if Boguts sitting? Oneal or Ezeli? You can argue either way, but it doesn't hurt to stack your team if you're able. It's called protection and insurance.

As far as Speights versus Lee? Again...it's a good situation to have. But really the guy who will lose out is gonna be Ezeli. Speights will play less than the 17 and Lee will probably pick up more minutes. I would also expect Boguts minutes to go down some when he gets back.

But based on injuries in general it's good to add a veteran presence to the team if you can without losing any depth...we'd only be adding to that depth. Just like Barbosa sitting there. We don't totally need him, but the damned guy could come in and swing a game by scoring a boat load in a few minutes. Depth.

[Onus]

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

No, because our #1 center is injured and our #2 center sucked in the beginning of the year, giving Speights a shot. He finally got another chance when bogut went down, did well for a few games and then got injured himself. Thats why Speights has played center. Are you not paying attention or just like to argue?

So you think Speights will be playing back up pf when Bogut and Ezeli come back?

[Onus]

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

Only because Bogut's injured. They play Center out of necessity (because we don't have one other than Kuzmic). What's our +- with Bogut in the lineup? Or when Ezeli plays? Playing Mo @ Center is nother more than a stopgap for us and we certainly shouldn't be dealing him until we get our bigs back. Dalembert's not going to do it for us as a starting Center and neither is Lee by himself. The time to trade Mo (if any) will be next season when he's an expiring. Then maybe we can get a #1 for him if that makes sense.

You guys really think that Mo would be playing this well as a pf? You're delusional if you do think that.

[Onus]

Actually he wouldn't just be sitting on the bench. He'd be playing because the 1st two centers are injured.

Is jo better than lee or speights? No then he'd be the third string center at this point. Once bogut and Ezeli start coming back that just pushes him further and further down the line

Who cares if he's sitting on the bench or if he comes in and provides rim protection for us in a critical moment......who do you trust in a playoff game if Boguts sitting? Oneal or Ezeli? You can argue either way, but it doesn't hurt to stack your team if you're able. It's called protection and insurance.

As far as Speights versus Lee? Again...it's a good situation to have. But really the guy who will lose out is gonna be Ezeli. Speights will play less than the 17 and Lee will probably pick up more minutes. I would also expect Boguts minutes to go down some when he gets back.

But based on injuries in general it's good to add a veteran presence to the team if you can without losing any depth...we'd only be adding to that depth. Just like Barbosa sitting there. We don't totally need him, but the damned guy could come in and swing a game by scoring a boat load in a few minutes. Depth.

So you think it's more likely that JO signs with us as our 5th string center for DEPTH, rather than sign with say Dallas and be their 2nd string center, which is also where he lives?

I poop roses would you like to buy some?

[azwfan]

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

No, because our #1 center is injured and our #2 center sucked in the beginning of the year, giving Speights a shot. He finally got another chance when bogut went down, did well for a few games and then got injured himself. Thats why Speights has played center. Are you not paying attention or just like to argue?

So you think Speights will be playing back up pf when Bogut and Ezeli come back?

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

[azwfan]

Is jo better than lee or speights? No then he'd be the third string center at this point. Once bogut and Ezeli start coming back that just pushes him further and further down the line

Who cares if he's sitting on the bench or if he comes in and provides rim protection for us in a critical moment......who do you trust in a playoff game if Boguts sitting? Oneal or Ezeli? You can argue either way, but it doesn't hurt to stack your team if you're able. It's called protection and insurance.

As far as Speights versus Lee? Again...it's a good situation to have. But really the guy who will lose out is gonna be Ezeli. Speights will play less than the 17 and Lee will probably pick up more minutes. I would also expect Boguts minutes to go down some when he gets back.

But based on injuries in general it's good to add a veteran presence to the team if you can without losing any depth...we'd only be adding to that depth. Just like Barbosa sitting there. We don't totally need him, but the damned guy could come in and swing a game by scoring a boat load in a few minutes. Depth.

So you think it's more likely that JO signs with us as our 5th string center for DEPTH, rather than sign with say Dallas and be their 2nd string center, which is also where he lives?

I poop roses would you like to buy some?

Since we don't know what his motivations are, its difficult to say. He played with this team last year. Mostly the same players. I think its more likely that he has a wink wink deal lined up than going to any other team outside of Dallas. And maybe he doesn't want to play 25 minutes a night. The draw for Dallas is playing time and location. The draw for GSW is everything else. Maybe he doesnt want to come back at all. Nobody knows.

[Onus]

No, because our #1 center is injured and our #2 center sucked in the beginning of the year, giving Speights a shot. He finally got another chance when bogut went down, did well for a few games and then got injured himself. Thats why Speights has played center. Are you not paying attention or just like to argue?

So you think Speights will be playing back up pf when Bogut and Ezeli come back?

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

[Onus]

Who cares if he's sitting on the bench or if he comes in and provides rim protection for us in a critical moment......who do you trust in a playoff game if Boguts sitting? Oneal or Ezeli? You can argue either way, but it doesn't hurt to stack your team if you're able. It's called protection and insurance.

As far as Speights versus Lee? Again...it's a good situation to have. But really the guy who will lose out is gonna be Ezeli. Speights will play less than the 17 and Lee will probably pick up more minutes. I would also expect Boguts minutes to go down some when he gets back.

But based on injuries in general it's good to add a veteran presence to the team if you can without losing any depth...we'd only be adding to that depth. Just like Barbosa sitting there. We don't totally need him, but the damned guy could come in and swing a game by scoring a boat load in a few minutes. Depth.

So you think it's more likely that JO signs with us as our 5th string center for DEPTH, rather than sign with say Dallas and be their 2nd string center, which is also where he lives?

I poop roses would you like to buy some?

Since we don't know what his motivations are, its difficult to say. He played with this team last year. Mostly the same players. I think its more likely that he has a wink wink deal lined up than going to any other team outside of Dallas. And maybe he doesn't want to play 25 minutes a night. The draw for Dallas is playing time and location. The draw for GSW is everything else. Maybe he doesnt want to come back at all. Nobody knows.

That's why I said it would be a low percentage chance.

[azwfan]

So you think it's more likely that JO signs with us as our 5th string center for DEPTH, rather than sign with say Dallas and be their 2nd string center, which is also where he lives?

I poop roses would you like to buy some?

Since we don't know what his motivations are, its difficult to say. He played with this team last year. Mostly the same players. I think its more likely that he has a wink wink deal lined up than going to any other team outside of Dallas. And maybe he doesn't want to play 25 minutes a night. The draw for Dallas is playing time and location. The draw for GSW is everything else. Maybe he doesnt want to come back at all. Nobody knows.

That's why I said it would be a low percentage chance.

You asked if its more likely. Who knows if its more likely without knowing his motivations.

[azwfan]

So you think Speights will be playing back up pf when Bogut and Ezeli come back?

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

I'm thinking its you that hasn't thought this through and are just arguing for the hell of it at this point.

Bogut only averaged 25mpg before getting injured. His minutes are going to get cut back and probably not play back to back games.
Green has been playing a lot of minutes because we needed him with all the injuries. He's averaging 33 mpg.
Barnes minutes will be cut back (slightly).
Speights and Lee will play some minutes at center (as i indicated initially) as well as PF.
We don't "switch everything" on every defensive possession. We'll still run the Draymond / Barnes / Iguodala front court at times.
We have a lot of versatile players, we can match up with anyone. We have two injury prone centers and an injury prone PF who you think is a C only. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of one of our big men for some future 1st rd pick. I'm amazed your still arguing that premise.

Not well thought through. Delusional. Etc.

[Onus]

You asked if its more likely. Who knows if its more likely without knowing his motivations.

JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz

[Onus]

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

I'm thinking its you that hasn't thought this through and are just arguing for the hell of it at this point.

Bogut only averaged 25mpg before getting injured. His minutes are going to get cut back and probably not play back to back games.
Green has been playing a lot of minutes because we needed him with all the injuries. He's averaging 33 mpg.
Barnes minutes will be cut back (slightly).
Speights and Lee will play some minutes at center (as i indicated initially) as well as PF.
We don't "switch everything" on every defensive possession. We'll still run the Draymond / Barnes / Iguodala front court at times.
We have a lot of versatile players, we can match up with anyone. We have two injury prone centers and an injury prone PF who you think is a C only. There's absolutely no reason to get rid of one of our big men for some future 1st rd pick. I'm amazed your still arguing that premise.

Not well thought through. Delusional. Etc.

So you really want to argue about 2 minutes but I'm the argumentative one. OK ...

In the playoffs you really think that's what they're going to avg?

Ok so we don't switch everything on every defensive possession, you think Lee/Speights are better defenders in space than Barnes? You do also realize that the offense is going to get really cramped because then the only shooter on the floor will be Justin Holiday or Barnes whoever you want to put at the 2. Livingston/Barnes or Holiday/Iguodala/Lee/Speights. So not only are you making us worse on defense because our rotations will be slower and won't be able to guard as much space, but you want to make offense even harder by limiting the amount of space they work with as well. Are you Mark Jackson?

I think Holiday is a better perimeter player than Barnes but that's for another thread.

Yea let's not get an asset for someone who's not going to play

[Mylie10]

You asked if its more likely. Who knows if its more likely without knowing his motivations.

JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz

Of course it's low percentage...because the guy may decide to just stay home with the kids. Ultimately what he wants in coming back, is a ring. Who has a better chance? Us? Or Dallas? Again...arguable.

You saying he'd be fifth string center is your opinion....I don't really care because if he comes here he is the type of guy who could get a bunch of dnp's and then come in and play in a tough game. He's the type you can trust in a big game over a guy like Festus, or maybe even Speights.....depends on the situation and the matchups.

Why you're so adament, I dont understand. Because I feel that the way the Warriors have gone about their off season and this season regarding the big man spots is to hold tight. Not panic....not bring up any d league guys.....maybe, just maybe, Jermaine and Myers, Kerr, Gentry, might have talked about coming over once he's done coaching his son, or maybe just wanting to cut his own season in half in order to last for a playoff run.

You may be right....big deal if you are...and if you are pooping roses, my hope is that it rips your a$$ to shreds on the way out..... Now clean yourself up.

[The-Power]

Yea let's not get an asset for someone who's not going to play

So, why does he play now then?