2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[TB]

What if Edwards is like Simmons who wasn’t very good and lazy at LSU?

Ben Simmons was so much better at LSU than Edwards was at Georgia. Do a player comp at Tankathon and the difference is that while Ben Simmons definitely coasted, he was still incredibly efficient and productive on both ends of the floor.

But I do get your general point of a player that was fairly bored and disinterested or discouraged in college that went to NBA and locked in.

I like Edwards, but he's playing a risky game... I keep using the Harden comparison because current Harden is who he plays like. Only he doesn't make shots or draw enough fouls. The difference is Harden didn't start playing that way until he could succeed doing it. In college Harden was a do-it-all efficient scorer/defender that let the game come to him. Same with in OKC. As his skills developed he became a 40 usage gunner. Edwards is skipping all the fundamentals and team play and going straight to being a gunner. Lets see if it works out.

I mean I wouldn't pick him personally but I get his appeal and wouldn't be too mad if we do select him. There's 3 players I'm prepared for us to pick Wiseman, Deni, Edwards. If we select anyone other than those 3 without trading down I would be extremely shocked. Not my big board, just what I'm expecting.

I agree completely when it comes to what I expect to happen. I'd add that I could definitely talk myself into any of them. In fact I like them as prospects... just really hard to determine if they are worth the 2nd pick. I'd probably rank them Wiseman, Edwards, Deni but I really don't know.

[whatisacenter]

Ben Simmons was so much better at LSU than Edwards was at Georgia. Do a player comp at Tankathon and the difference is that while Ben Simmons definitely coasted, he was still incredibly efficient and productive on both ends of the floor.

But I do get your general point of a player that was fairly bored and disinterested or discouraged in college that went to NBA and locked in.

I like Edwards, but he's playing a risky game... I keep using the Harden comparison because current Harden is who he plays like. Only he doesn't make shots or draw enough fouls. The difference is Harden didn't start playing that way until he could succeed doing it. In college Harden was a do-it-all efficient scorer/defender that let the game come to him. Same with in OKC. As his skills developed he became a 40 usage gunner. Edwards is skipping all the fundamentals and team play and going straight to being a gunner. Lets see if it works out.

I mean I wouldn't pick him personally but I get his appeal and wouldn't be too mad if we do select him. There's 3 players I'm prepared for us to pick Wiseman, Deni, Edwards. If we select anyone other than those 3 without trading down I would be extremely shocked. Not my big board, just what I'm expecting.

I agree completely when it comes to what I expect to happen. I'd add that I could definitely talk myself into any of them. In fact I like them as prospects... just really hard to determine if they are worth the 2nd pick. I'd probably rank them Wiseman, Edwards, Deni but I really don't know.

Yeah, I agree too. I think Wiseman and Edwards are the top two based on their athleticism and upside but I just have a hard time imagining the Warriors keeping the pick.

[DAWill1128]

I am on board with Wiseman, I don't see us beating the Lakers without adding size. Actually watching AD be a matchup nightmare where he is to big for forwards and to fast for centers makes me think Wiseman would be a smart choice. We've seen AD against Jokic and Nukic who are a bit slow and Tucker who was to short. Wiseman immediately matches up better than any of those guys because he won't get beat up and down the court and he's even bigger. That rookie Gabriel on Portland has done the best job on AD I have seen and that's because he's just long and athletic. Wiseman won't be fundamentally sound from day one I do have faith the team will utilize his gifts defensively and make him force his man into Drays help defense.

But I would be okay with Deni. One underrated aspect of our teams were having supporting players like Bogut, Igoudola, Livingston that could all really pass the ball. Our system on offense is all about ball movement and getting Steph and Klay as many good shots as possible. Deni from day one will be an elite passer for a small forward. But I am also not fully convinced Deni can defend well at the NBA level. He looks like a smart team defender but I don't know about his lateral speed covering small forwards, or his base strength against power forwards around the hoop. I might be wrong where a year he takes the next step physically with our training staff. Steph and Klay improved athletically I would say. Luka and KP changed physically and that's helped.

[Little Digger]

IMO some of you underrate the desire needed to win games

[wco81]

Do you have a prediction for Wiseman's weight when he's 28 too?

[ILOVEIT]

I am on board with Wiseman, I don't see us beating the Lakers without adding size. Actually watching AD be a matchup nightmare where he is to big for forwards and to fast for centers makes me think Wiseman would be a smart choice. We've seen AD against Jokic and Nukic who are a bit slow and Tucker who was to short. Wiseman immediately matches up better than any of those guys because he won't get beat up and down the court and he's even bigger. That rookie Gabriel on Portland has done the best job on AD I have seen and that's because he's just long and athletic. Wiseman won't be fundamentally sound from day one I do have faith the team will utilize his gifts defensively and make him force his man into Drays help defense.

But I would be okay with Deni. One underrated aspect of our teams were having supporting players like Bogut, Igoudola, Livingston that could all really pass the ball. Our system on offense is all about ball movement and getting Steph and Klay as many good shots as possible. Deni from day one will be an elite passer for a small forward. But I am also not fully convinced Deni can defend well at the NBA level. He looks like a smart team defender but I don't know about his lateral speed covering small forwards, or his base strength against power forwards around the hoop. I might be wrong where a year he takes the next step physically with our training staff. Steph and Klay improved athletically I would say. Luka and KP changed physically and that's helped.

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

[ILOVEIT]

Deni is riding that luka doncic hype train. I don't buy it. Suns, Kings and some commentators got it wrong with Luka because he was a euro and now they are overcompensating with Deni because he is a "euro" (i know he is from Israel).

I remember Evan Turner having that Brandon Roy hype and now it is happening with Deni.
I forgot almost about Jimmer being the next Curry.

All I care about is how guys play..getting caught up on the color of their skin or where they’re from is total horsesh*t..

yeah....weird that he only gets the white guys comparisons. I think he's more "Bird Light"...kidding!

If was going to go on game only....I think he's a bit like Batum. I love Batum....wish we could pick him up somehow. Perfect vet.

Deni, to me, looks VERY athletic. Watching the left or right hand dunks....etc. I think Warrior fans all fear he's Dumpleavy II I get it!

Anyway...Deni's my pick.....prefer trading down to get him at 4.

[Onus]

Deni is riding that luka doncic hype train. I don't buy it. Suns, Kings and some commentators got it wrong with Luka because he was a euro and now they are overcompensating with Deni because he is a "euro" (i know he is from Israel).

I remember Evan Turner having that Brandon Roy hype and now it is happening with Deni.
I forgot almost about Jimmer being the next Curry.

All I care about is how guys play..getting caught up on the color of their skin or where they’re from is total horsesh*t..

yeah....weird that he only gets the white guys comparisons. I think he's more "Bird Light"...kidding!

If was going to go on game only....I think he's a bit like Batum. I love Batum....wish we could pick him up somehow. Perfect vet.

Deni, to me, looks VERY athletic. Watching the left or right hand dunks....etc. I think Warrior fans all fear he's Dumpleavy II I get it!

Anyway...Deni's my pick.....prefer trading down to get him at 4.

I feel like in his prime he can be a 24 8 5 player that’s fringe all star. I really don’t know why people think his ceiling is joe ingles. He’s a 19 year old who had to earn playing time on a top 4 team in the euro league and ended up winning mvp of the entire Israeli league and avg 16 there.

[Coxy]

I am on board with Wiseman, I don't see us beating the Lakers without adding size. Actually watching AD be a matchup nightmare where he is to big for forwards and to fast for centers makes me think Wiseman would be a smart choice. We've seen AD against Jokic and Nukic who are a bit slow and Tucker who was to short. Wiseman immediately matches up better than any of those guys because he won't get beat up and down the court and he's even bigger. That rookie Gabriel on Portland has done the best job on AD I have seen and that's because he's just long and athletic. Wiseman won't be fundamentally sound from day one I do have faith the team will utilize his gifts defensively and make him force his man into Drays help defense.

But I would be okay with Deni. One underrated aspect of our teams were having supporting players like Bogut, Igoudola, Livingston that could all really pass the ball. Our system on offense is all about ball movement and getting Steph and Klay as many good shots as possible. Deni from day one will be an elite passer for a small forward. But I am also not fully convinced Deni can defend well at the NBA level. He looks like a smart team defender but I don't know about his lateral speed covering small forwards, or his base strength against power forwards around the hoop. I might be wrong where a year he takes the next step physically with our training staff. Steph and Klay improved athletically I would say. Luka and KP changed physically and that's helped.

Pretty spot on with my thoughts as well.

[wco81]

I am on board with Wiseman, I don't see us beating the Lakers without adding size. Actually watching AD be a matchup nightmare where he is to big for forwards and to fast for centers makes me think Wiseman would be a smart choice. We've seen AD against Jokic and Nukic who are a bit slow and Tucker who was to short. Wiseman immediately matches up better than any of those guys because he won't get beat up and down the court and he's even bigger. That rookie Gabriel on Portland has done the best job on AD I have seen and that's because he's just long and athletic. Wiseman won't be fundamentally sound from day one I do have faith the team will utilize his gifts defensively and make him force his man into Drays help defense.

But I would be okay with Deni. One underrated aspect of our teams were having supporting players like Bogut, Igoudola, Livingston that could all really pass the ball. Our system on offense is all about ball movement and getting Steph and Klay as many good shots as possible. Deni from day one will be an elite passer for a small forward. But I am also not fully convinced Deni can defend well at the NBA level. He looks like a smart team defender but I don't know about his lateral speed covering small forwards, or his base strength against power forwards around the hoop. I might be wrong where a year he takes the next step physically with our training staff. Steph and Klay improved athletically I would say. Luka and KP changed physically and that's helped.

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

AD is entering his prime. He’s improving so wouldn’t count on neutralizing him that easily as long as LBJ is an all NBA player.

[ShayDee]

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

What? How many years ago was that? Why do people keep saying this? AD is in his PRIME. Draymond is getting passed his. We are OLDER than we were those years we kept AD in check. We do not have Iguodala and Kevin Durant anymore, they helped a ton. AD will destroy EVERY single player on this team. If we do not address anything, in 2 games Draymond will basically be out of any series we have against the Lakers. Draymond will be turning 31 or 32? AD will be 28 next time we seriously play them. See how Milsap is getting abused right now? and he is taller and stronger than Draymond.

This is just nonesense. When was the last time we played AD? How many offseasons has it been? Draymond is not getting taller. AD has gotten WAY better at his offensive game. We need Size to win in this league. To get passed the Lakers and Nuggets. This isn't the kind of mindset the FO should be looking at going into this offseason. Just get a useless undersized, none offensive center, that doesn't rebound or defend. We will be fine. Draymond will save us. lol. Any center we acquire in the offseason should be able to play at least 20-25 mins/game. Should be able to hang with dominant centers and give us something on offense. At least 15/10 and 2 blocks. We will not win anything without that. Steph Curry or Klay are not going to run around screen all 48 mins just trying to keep us in the game. Not when Steph is going to be 33. 3 of our starters already have questions on offense.

[wco81]

Actually Millsap has done ok. Has the strength that Grant lacks.

But AD going to get his, just try to make him work.

[DAWill1128]

I am on board with Wiseman, I don't see us beating the Lakers without adding size. Actually watching AD be a matchup nightmare where he is to big for forwards and to fast for centers makes me think Wiseman would be a smart choice. We've seen AD against Jokic and Nukic who are a bit slow and Tucker who was to short. Wiseman immediately matches up better than any of those guys because he won't get beat up and down the court and he's even bigger. That rookie Gabriel on Portland has done the best job on AD I have seen and that's because he's just long and athletic. Wiseman won't be fundamentally sound from day one I do have faith the team will utilize his gifts defensively and make him force his man into Drays help defense.

But I would be okay with Deni. One underrated aspect of our teams were having supporting players like Bogut, Igoudola, Livingston that could all really pass the ball. Our system on offense is all about ball movement and getting Steph and Klay as many good shots as possible. Deni from day one will be an elite passer for a small forward. But I am also not fully convinced Deni can defend well at the NBA level. He looks like a smart team defender but I don't know about his lateral speed covering small forwards, or his base strength against power forwards around the hoop. I might be wrong where a year he takes the next step physically with our training staff. Steph and Klay improved athletically I would say. Luka and KP changed physically and that's helped.

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

I don’t think your anyone’s bitch when your career average is 25ppg 12rpg on 52% shooting against that person. Like Baron Davis said when asked about Dirk “ain’t nothing soft about a guy dropping 30 on you.” Dray looks a bit slower now and AD looks a bit stronger, good chance AD puts up even better numbers against Dray. Now if you want to say AD has struggled against the Warriors as a team than yeah the record indicates that.

I actually think Looney is the guy you want matched up on AD, he’s just a bigger defender than Dray and slides his feet well. Plus it allows Dray to play as a disruptive help defender, which is where he really thrives.

Now if Looney for whatever reason is not able to play or in the game I think we’re in serious trouble if Draymond is your guy defending AD while also trying to prevent LeBron from easy layups. Especially if Draymond gets into early foul trouble, than as currently constructed were setup to get our asses kicked because we can’t stop easy points in the paint.

This year our interior defensive numbers were horrible, and the Lakers thrived inside. Those two indicators are a recipe for a brutal matchup and the last thing we want to be is looking undersized like the Rockets were.

We need to block shots, we need to rebound, this year we had a bunch of undersized centers and it never looked good inside. If Draymond is to undersized for AD and Looney is not athletic enough than you need a guy who can matchup and Wiseman is that guy. Half of playing defense is just matching up physically with who your defending.

Under the circumstance Dray and Wiseman are on the court together with Dray on AD if AD spins that shoulder to the hoop you want a 7-1 guy with a 7-6 guy to swat it in his face. Hell Bogut was not quick at all when we had him but if anyone got by Dray his pure size and timing really covered the hoop nicely. Having a shot blocking center would be a real luxury. Anytime we’ve had Dray with a shot blocker we’ve had a great defense.

[arusinov]

Deni is riding that luka doncic hype train. I don't buy it. Suns, Kings and some commentators got it wrong with Luka because he was a euro and now they are overcompensating with Deni because he is a "euro" (i know he is from Israel).

I remember Evan Turner having that Brandon Roy hype and now it is happening with Deni.
I forgot almost about Jimmer being the next Curry.

All I care about is how guys play..getting caught up on the color of their skin or where they’re from is total horsesh*t..

yeah....weird that he only gets the white guys comparisons. I think he's more "Bird Light"...kidding!

If was going to go on game only....I think he's a bit like Batum. I love Batum....wish we could pick him up somehow. Perfect vet.

Deni, to me, looks VERY athletic. Watching the left or right hand dunks....etc. I think Warrior fans all fear he's Dumpleavy II I get it!

Anyway...Deni's my pick.....prefer trading down to get him at 4.

Deni learns how to entertain public (his windmill attempt was clumsy ... but if you look at details you'll see that he jumped very high probably 35"+ off 2-feet which was supposed to be his weakness as his running dunks are all off one feet).

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Yesterday he added a bit more pretty attempt

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[Little Digger]

Bogut on Ball

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”

“He obviously is very talented on the offensive end, just needs to step up defensively, but that’s probably just being a kid that’s never been taught defensive principles at 19 years old, so you got to give him the benefit of the doubt on that,” said Bogut, who won a championship with the Warriors in 2015. “With six months to a year in an NBA system with some good coaching, I think they’ll clean up a lot of those deficiencies.”

[Little Digger]

My new Wishy Washy BIG BOARD is out!!

1. Ball
2. Advija
3. Okongwu
4. Wiseman
5. P Williams
6. Vassell
7. Okoro
8. Edwards
9. Jalen Smith
10. Hayes

[Warriors Analyst]

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

What? How many years ago was that? Why do people keep saying this? AD is in his PRIME. Draymond is getting passed his. We are OLDER than we were those years we kept AD in check. We do not have Iguodala and Kevin Durant anymore, they helped a ton. AD will destroy EVERY single player on this team. If we do not address anything, in 2 games Draymond will basically be out of any series we have against the Lakers. Draymond will be turning 31 or 32? AD will be 28 next time we seriously play them. See how Milsap is getting abused right now? and he is taller and stronger than Draymond.

This is just nonesense. When was the last time we played AD? How many offseasons has it been? Draymond is not getting taller. AD has gotten WAY better at his offensive game. We need Size to win in this league. To get passed the Lakers and Nuggets. This isn't the kind of mindset the FO should be looking at going into this offseason. Just get a useless undersized, none offensive center, that doesn't rebound or defend. We will be fine. Draymond will save us. lol. Any center we acquire in the offseason should be able to play at least 20-25 mins/game. Should be able to hang with dominant centers and give us something on offense. At least 15/10 and 2 blocks. We will not win anything without that. Steph Curry or Klay are not going to run around screen all 48 mins just trying to keep us in the game. Not when Steph is going to be 33. 3 of our starters already have questions on offense.

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Draymond has done a good job against Davis in the past. Millsap is doing a phenomenal job on him right now. Wiseman won't be able to stay on the floor against Davis for more than five minutes.

[ShayDee]

Hmmm....We've all seen the Warriors feast on AD at times....he's Draymond's bich in some ways. I don't think you need center size to beat AD...just need tenacious smart defenders. We also saw Wiggins do well against AD defensively.

BTW....How badly would you project Wiseman getting his lunch handed to him by AD and Lebron in the next two to three years

I would take Wiseman if we were rebuilding and projected him to be a stud in year three....

What? How many years ago was that? Why do people keep saying this? AD is in his PRIME. Draymond is getting passed his. We are OLDER than we were those years we kept AD in check. We do not have Iguodala and Kevin Durant anymore, they helped a ton. AD will destroy EVERY single player on this team. If we do not address anything, in 2 games Draymond will basically be out of any series we have against the Lakers. Draymond will be turning 31 or 32? AD will be 28 next time we seriously play them. See how Milsap is getting abused right now? and he is taller and stronger than Draymond.

This is just nonesense. When was the last time we played AD? How many offseasons has it been? Draymond is not getting taller. AD has gotten WAY better at his offensive game. We need Size to win in this league. To get passed the Lakers and Nuggets. This isn't the kind of mindset the FO should be looking at going into this offseason. Just get a useless undersized, none offensive center, that doesn't rebound or defend. We will be fine. Draymond will save us. lol. Any center we acquire in the offseason should be able to play at least 20-25 mins/game. Should be able to hang with dominant centers and give us something on offense. At least 15/10 and 2 blocks. We will not win anything without that. Steph Curry or Klay are not going to run around screen all 48 mins just trying to keep us in the game. Not when Steph is going to be 33. 3 of our starters already have questions on offense.

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Draymond has done a good job against Davis in the past. Millsap is doing a phenomenal job on him right now. Wiseman won't be able to stay on the floor against Davis for more than five minutes.

You do not have evidence to support this outlandish claim. You do not know that stop putting this out there. Deni and Draymond will not do jack against AD. Deni will be subbed out after 1 play where Lebron and AD force a mismatch onto him

[Warriors Analyst]

What? How many years ago was that? Why do people keep saying this? AD is in his PRIME. Draymond is getting passed his. We are OLDER than we were those years we kept AD in check. We do not have Iguodala and Kevin Durant anymore, they helped a ton. AD will destroy EVERY single player on this team. If we do not address anything, in 2 games Draymond will basically be out of any series we have against the Lakers. Draymond will be turning 31 or 32? AD will be 28 next time we seriously play them. See how Milsap is getting abused right now? and he is taller and stronger than Draymond.

This is just nonesense. When was the last time we played AD? How many offseasons has it been? Draymond is not getting taller. AD has gotten WAY better at his offensive game. We need Size to win in this league. To get passed the Lakers and Nuggets. This isn't the kind of mindset the FO should be looking at going into this offseason. Just get a useless undersized, none offensive center, that doesn't rebound or defend. We will be fine. Draymond will save us. lol. Any center we acquire in the offseason should be able to play at least 20-25 mins/game. Should be able to hang with dominant centers and give us something on offense. At least 15/10 and 2 blocks. We will not win anything without that. Steph Curry or Klay are not going to run around screen all 48 mins just trying to keep us in the game. Not when Steph is going to be 33. 3 of our starters already have questions on offense.

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Draymond has done a good job against Davis in the past. Millsap is doing a phenomenal job on him right now. Wiseman won't be able to stay on the floor against Davis for more than five minutes.

You do not have evidence to support this outlandish claim. You do not know that stop putting this out there. Deni and Draymond will not do jack against AD. Deni will be subbed out after 1 play where Lebron and AD force a mismatch onto him

I didn't say anything about Deni. Draymond has historically done pretty good against AD. Davis gets his points against Draymond, but he has to work for them and he's never all that efficient against Draymond.

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It's far easier to predict Draymond holding his own against Davis, given that we have historical precedent for it, than it is for you to assume that a rookie C who played one meaningful game in college is our answer against Anthony Davis.

[ShayDee]

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Draymond has done a good job against Davis in the past. Millsap is doing a phenomenal job on him right now. Wiseman won't be able to stay on the floor against Davis for more than five minutes.

You do not have evidence to support this outlandish claim. You do not know that stop putting this out there. Deni and Draymond will not do jack against AD. Deni will be subbed out after 1 play where Lebron and AD force a mismatch onto him

I didn't say anything about Deni. Draymond has historically done pretty good against AD. Davis gets his points against Draymond, but he has to work for them and he's never all that efficient against Draymond.

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It's far easier to predict Draymond holding his own against Davis, given that we have historical precedent for it, than it is for you to assume that a rookie C who played one meaningful game in college is our answer against Anthony Davis.

I didn't say anything about Wiseman either. If you want to play this game. What made you think I was talking about Wiseman?