Trade Oubre PRONTO.

[Samurai]

Fascinating thread.

Oubre is both frustrating, yet, also pretty intriguing: Oubre's offensive game in the half-court set, especially when he is on the perimeter, hurts the team; Oubre's defense, transition game, finishing around the basket, are all positives.

Board brothers and sisters, is it feasible to see Oubre play the "stretch 4" position as a more athletic, quicker, longer, and (dare I say) better offensive player than Draymond (hard for me to ask this question, as Draymond has been my personal favorite Warrior to watch play)?

Since game two, I’ve advocated for Oubre to come off the bench and add energy from there. On the bench he would be a hybrid forward who essentially plays the front line with Paschall.

Wanamaker
Mulder
Lee
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Paschall

That puts Oubre in a position to be guarding bigger players and using his length and quickness to bother them. On offense he has four other guys who can shoot it. So his shooting impact would be minimized there.

And again or the 1000th time......if Klay were playing, Oubre would already be on that bench.

Actually if Klay were playing, I don't think Oubre would be on the team. Not positive, but I recall a pre-season interview in which Myers was asked if they still would have made the move for Oubre if Klay did not get injured and Myers said 'no'.

[Mylie10]

Point remains

[FNQ]

Interesting stat from The Athletic: Per 36 minutes, with Oubre on the floor, Curry is averaging 26.5 points on 59.4% true shooting percentage. And worse, the Warriors are a terrible -7.2 in those minutes. Per 36 minutes, with Damion Lee on the floor, Curry is averaging 37 points on a 64.9% true shooting percentage. And more importantly, the Dubs are a dominant +11.4 in those minutes.

For a guy that allegedly said he appreciates analytics, I must conclude that Kerr is either a) a liar and doesn't believe in or understand analytics despite his past statements to the contrary or b) is incredibly dumb. Neither trait is a particularly desirable one for a head coach and makes it highly unlikely that he will have success coaching Oubre.

Yeah, liar or dumb, those must be the only two possibilities, because 12 games always gives a final answer. It couldn't be that he's trying to make things work that could be the best outcome, and hasn't given up on it yet.

Or that's he's under some direction to give the 80m dollar man every single chance to succeed.

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I dont know that he needs to be given direction. The FO spent 80mil in real life money to bring the guy in. Kerr just needs to be able to add 2 + 2 here

[FNQ]

Interesting stat from The Athletic: Per 36 minutes, with Oubre on the floor, Curry is averaging 26.5 points on 59.4% true shooting percentage. And worse, the Warriors are a terrible -7.2 in those minutes. Per 36 minutes, with Damion Lee on the floor, Curry is averaging 37 points on a 64.9% true shooting percentage. And more importantly, the Dubs are a dominant +11.4 in those minutes.

For a guy that allegedly said he appreciates analytics, I must conclude that Kerr is either a) a liar and doesn't believe in or understand analytics despite his past statements to the contrary or b) is incredibly dumb. Neither trait is a particularly desirable one for a head coach and makes it highly unlikely that he will have success coaching Oubre.

unbelievable

[clyde21]

i've been saying this since the 2016 finals (which I put on Kerr more than anyone else), Kerr's inability to to deviate from his own lineups/rotations is his biggest flaw as a coach...a muffin sandwich can see that you shouldn't be playing Oubre+Dray together, let alone both of these guys WITH Steph on top of it.

i would give Kerr the benefit of the doubt here and say maybe it's politics behind the scenes because we're paying 80 mil to have this dude on the roster...but he has a history of refusing to adjust so I'll chalk it up to his stubbornness and he should be called out on this BS repeatedly.

[Little Digger]

Draymond is the man

[Mylie10]

I love Kerr, but he is stubborn

[SpreeS]

I love Kerr, but he is stubborn

He needs to punch in the face to back to reality, like MJ did...sometime it helps

[SpreeS]

I dont wanna talk about this team until they will play 20 games, but is getting to comical level about Ourbe situation. The hate is huge on this guy.

1. Curry shoots in open and wide open situation: 3P FREQ 73% and 32% on 8.1 3PA. Curry misses a lot of open shots!!!
2. Green could be the worst starter at scoring in whole league. His 60% shots ar open or wide open and he hits them on 21%!!!

[Sleepy51]

Oubre is a mess. We do need to put a shooter in the starting lineup to start to fix the spacing, but doesn't it kinda make sense that Kerr would have a reasonable expectation that Oubre's shooting would revert to historical averages given time? Assigning Kerr's patience to stubborness or stupidity or dogma or whatever malevolent motive is kind of skipping over the obvious "oubre is supposed to be a better shooter than this"

Frankly the supposition that Kerr is sticking with Oubre because he wants to stick to "the Kerr way" is just stoopid. Oubre isn't even a Kerr Way type of player. He's a ball stopper. He's not a high IQ or switching defender. Even if he were shooting well, he doesn't do anything else that compliments the beautiful game approach on either end.

[ahmetmekin]

Oubre is a mess. We do need to put a shooter in the starting lineup to start to fix the spacing, but doesn't it kinda make sense that Kerr would have a reasonable expectation that Oubre's shooting would revert to historical averages given time? Assigning Kerr's patience to stubborness or stupidity or dogma or whatever malevolent motive is kind of skipping over the obvious "oubre is supposed to be a better shooter than this"

Frankly the supposition that Kerr is sticking with Oubre because he wants to stick to "the Kerr way" is just stoopid. Oubre isn't even a Kerr Way type of player. He's a ball stopper. He's not a high IQ or switching defender. Even if he were shooting well, he doesn't do anything else that compliments the beautiful game approach on either end.

The rational explanation is because he costs more than 30 mil $ and either Kerr or Bob wanted him, he is still starting despite the fact that there is no basketball reason for him to start. The idea is to prove that Lacob did not spend that much money in vain. If this choice causes to win less then I don't care about non-basketball reasons and his choice still sucks from the team success POV.

[Onus]

If there’s anyone that can make a non shooting lineup work it’s Curry. So it seems like they just want to test how much can we put on currys shoulders. Can curry do it with only 1 avg shooter out there? Is Curry the best offensive weapon of all time. Tune in all season to find out

[Mylie10]

Oubre is a mess. We do need to put a shooter in the starting lineup to start to fix the spacing, but doesn't it kinda make sense that Kerr would have a reasonable expectation that Oubre's shooting would revert to historical averages given time? Assigning Kerr's patience to stubborness or stupidity or dogma or whatever malevolent motive is kind of skipping over the obvious "oubre is supposed to be a better shooter than this"

Frankly the supposition that Kerr is sticking with Oubre because he wants to stick to "the Kerr way" is just stoopid. Oubre isn't even a Kerr Way type of player. He's a ball stopper. He's not a high IQ or switching defender. Even if he were shooting well, he doesn't do anything else that compliments the beautiful game approach on either end.

It'd be nice if Oubre gets himself close to his average from deep last year. That would mean he'd have to shoot much higher from now on just to get back there.

As for Kerr. I think he might have made an adjustment with Oubre and the starting lineup if Lacob hadn't shelled out 80 million. Not saying there's a directive. But I do believe Kerr has stated to everyone that we need to play around 20-25 games to evaluate guys and get some on court chemitsry going. And I don't disagree, really.

But as an impatient fan, I have no problem since game 2 seeing that Oubre doesn't fit playing with Steph. And its not just the lack of macking threes. Its his movement, or lack there of. And its his lack of spacing awareness. His defense has been fine, even if the rating doesn't loo great thus far.

[Sleepy51]

But you're not an impatient fan. We have chewed decades of bad team s sandwiches together here. I know that label doesn't apply. There is a group think, mass psychosis brain fart occurring right now that blames Kerr for everything that is wrong.

Oubre was supposed to be a better player than what we have gotten. Patience has been justified. But eventually the plug will be pulled if he continues to flounder.

I'm actually warming to the idea of inserting Paschall into the starting lineup rather than Lee. Lee needs more minutes, but the starting lineup has Steph effing Curry and Draymond Green. That's a lot of high IQ on the floor. Our backups do not have a lot of smart, patient players. Lee is just about it. If we are gonna demote Oubroke to the 2nd unit, Lee probably has to play a lot of minutes with him to counter the stupid.

Paschall and Wiggins is a lot for defenses to account for if they are going to sell out to slow down Steph. With Draymond quarterbacking, that becomes a target rich environment if Paschall can adapt to the ball movement rather than getting ISOs.

Oubre's defensive contribution is being overvalued though. His gets to some loose balls and makes some blocks and steals, but he trades off good team defensive positioning for those stats too often. If good team D is five guys on a string, Oubre is constantly cutting the string.

[tarantism]

I don't think replacing Oubre with Paschall really fixes the issue. EP doesn't provide better spacing than Oubre, and he's looked great with the second unit because he can use his speed against backup bigs in iso situations. I think its best if we keep him in that role.

If not Lee, then it should be Bazemore. But I think Lee has earned it.

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[SAKURABA216]

It's amazing how badly Oubre is playing. From the games I have watched, he is almost guaranteed to miss wide-open 3's and has the green light to take about 5-6 a game. In half-court sets when Draymond is directing traffic, Oubre also tends to get lost and I've seen him be in another player's way as they are running around and trying to get open. However, he is a good hustle guy and goes after rebounds and sometimes makes good defensive plays. He seems like the NBA version of Ryan Fitzpatrick in that he plays well when there are no expectations on him and the team doesn't care if they win or lose. He would probably play way better against the second units of other teams, but doesn't have the IQ to play against the opposing team's starters.

[Mylie10]

I would say Paschall needs that middle open for him to really operate and Wiseman is kind of in his way.

For me it’s Bazemore and or Lee. And what Bazemore lacks in shooting he makes up for in shot creation, passing, and the understanding of what Ateph is trying to do.

So for me, either guys should start.

And people...not saying they are the saviors. It’s merely stop gap solution for this season. Until Klay gets back, you need to find somebody who is a very poor mans Klay.

Oubre and Paschall on the front line off the bench can cause some trouble for other teams.

[Sleepy51]

I'm just seeing Lee doing a lot of what Iguodala used to do for us on the offensive end. Aside from being a better shooter, he is patient, and he helps us to reset the system off broken plays. He can do that with either unit, but I feel like he really does need to spend some time with backup units or we are going to be a truly and completely stupid team without him on the floor when Steph and Dray sit.

I do agree we are at the point where Oubre needs to sit, but I think there's a way to elevate Lee's minutes while preserving his ability to stabilize some of our least skilled groups. If all of our smart players play only in the starting unit then we are eventually going to have some minutes with nothing but muppets out there for a not insubstantial portion of time.

Who "starts" really doesn't matter all that much as long as we do get Oubre out of Steph's way.

[Samurai]

I'm just seeing Lee doing a lot of what Iguodala used to do for us on the offensive end. Aside from being a better shooter, he is patient, and he helps us to reset the system off broken plays. He can do that with either unit, but I feel like he really does need to spend some time with backup units or we are going to be a truly and completely stupid team without him on the floor when Steph and Dray sit.

I do agree we are at the point where Oubre needs to sit, but I think there's a way to elevate Lee's minutes while preserving his ability to stabilize some of our least skilled groups. If all of our smart players play only in the starting unit then we are eventually going to have some minutes with nothing but muppets out there for a not insubstantial portion of time.

Who "starts" really doesn't matter all that much as long as we do get Oubre out of Steph's way.

To your point, Oubre's assist % is a paltry 5.5. And while his horrible shooting is well off of last season's pace, his poor passing really isn't as last season it was only 6.6. Lee is currently sitting at 12.6, more than double Oubre's "efforts". Iguodala was typically around 16% during his GSW stint. Obviously not saying that Lee is comparable to Andre as a passing playmaker - he clearly isn't - but he is far closer to replicating Andre in that key area than Oubre is. We know Lee is the superior shooter, but I think a lot of my anti-Oubre venom would dissipate if Oubre could at least contribute in the passing game and bbIQ. Lee isn't in Andre's class in terms of bbIQ but he is at least in the same school district while Oubre might as well be on a different planet compared to Andre's basketball smarts.

[TB]

I really only want to see Oubre and Dray on the court together if its at the 4/5.

It's time for Oubre to go to the bench, and play a bit more PF. Those two switches should help get his rhythm back. Playing against more backups, not getting in stephs way, and playing at a position he has a clear attacking advantage at.

As for Dray, i think he's been bad enough on offense that he also needs more time shifting up a position. His entire career our "winning" time has been with him at center, and his two best season he played like 20% of the regular season at center as well. Now we spend the regular season "saving" his body for the playoffs... but we don't have that luxury this year.

This really isn't rocket science...

- Move Oubre to the bench and free up time for Lee and Bazemore.
- More Oubre at the 4.
- More Dray at the 5.
- Oubre please stop shooting corner 3s.
- Wiggins please stop shooting midrange 2s.