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Post#221 » by cpower » Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:38 pm

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cpower wrote:Our offense rating for the last 10 game ranked 26th in the league... this is a failure from the coaching for sure.


The offense is Curry. There’s so many times he’s bailed this team out this year.

The team can’t work without the primary shooter taking the most shots and not making them. Unless you want to set him up like a Chris Paul playmaker. But then you have to watch Curryovers.

that does not make sense.. yeah Curry has been cold but the fact that we can't generate any offense is bad. I still see almost zero adjustment, very few split screens to get Curry open and a lot of iso ball. If Steve Kerr is basically saying "**** Curry is cold i am giving up coaching" then he is not doing his job.
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Post#222 » by Sam Lowry Jr » Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:54 pm

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There has to be a rational explanation for this right?
Exerting too much effort on D leading to tired legs?
Curry's age and fatigue?
Softer schedule to begin the year?
Teams learning to defend Steph better as the season progresses?
HIgh variance amongst role players?
Mid season lull after excitement to start the season?
Kerr's rotations?
All of the above?

Seems like too big of a sample size to write it off as an aberration now.
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Post#223 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:10 pm

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There has to be a rational explanation for this right?
Exerting too much effort on D leading to tired legs?
Curry's age and fatigue?
Softer schedule to begin the year?
Teams learning to defend Steph better as the season progresses?
HIgh variance amongst role players?
Mid season lull after excitement to start the season?
Kerr's rotations?
All of the above?

Seems like too big of a sample size to write it off as an aberration now.


much of the above are contributing factors but I think the biggest reason is the team has gone ice cold from 3. It is a difference of 5 points between the first 20 games and the last 20 games, if they hit two more threes a game as a team they would be right back were they started. Curry is definitely in a funk tho, he hesitates to shoot at times when he is open, he's having trouble finishing at the rim and picks up his dribble for no reason at other times. I also think the roster was thrown into a bit of disarray when they were hit with covid and now with Draymond being out as soon as Klay returned. Poole has also been a mess for the most part since returning from covid outside of the Utah game. I think this road trip might get ugly.
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Post#224 » by SpreeChokeJob » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:11 pm

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cpower wrote:Our offense rating for the last 10 game ranked 26th in the league... this is a failure from the coaching for sure.


The offense is Curry. There’s so many times he’s bailed this team out this year.

The team can’t work without the primary shooter taking the most shots and not making them. Unless you want to set him up like a Chris Paul playmaker. But then you have to watch Curryovers.

that does not make sense.. yeah Curry has been cold but the fact that we can't generate any offense is bad. I still see almost zero adjustment, very few split screens to get Curry open and a lot of iso ball. If Steve Kerr is basically saying "**** Curry is cold i am giving up coaching" then he is not doing his job.


Kerr can do his job, but if Curry is air balling threes and not even close in his layups what is Kerr going to do?

A good CEO once said give me good execution over good planning any day.
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Post#225 » by clyde21 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:12 pm

cpower wrote:Our offense rating for the last 10 game ranked 26th in the league... this is a failure from the coaching for sure.


i said from the beginning these sets and rotations were gonna come back and haunt us at some point yet so many pretended the beginning of the year was how its gonna be all season.

we've been a completely different team essentially since the Phoenix game - that was the game that broke us (especially Steph).
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Post#226 » by clyde21 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:14 pm

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cpower wrote:
SpreeChokeJob wrote:
The offense is Curry. There’s so many times he’s bailed this team out this year.

The team can’t work without the primary shooter taking the most shots and not making them. Unless you want to set him up like a Chris Paul playmaker. But then you have to watch Curryovers.

that does not make sense.. yeah Curry has been cold but the fact that we can't generate any offense is bad. I still see almost zero adjustment, very few split screens to get Curry open and a lot of iso ball. If Steve Kerr is basically saying "**** Curry is cold i am giving up coaching" then he is not doing his job.


Kerr can do his job, but if Curry is air balling threes and not even close in his layups what is Kerr going to do?

A good CEO once said give me good execution over good planning any day.


still acting like Kerrs **** sets/rotations haven't contributed to a discombobulated Steph?

steph just suddenly forgot how to play bball huh
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Re: Game 40, Warriors at , Klay game 2 at 9 game winning streak Grizzles, Tues Jan 11 5 PM PST, 

Post#227 » by cpower » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:17 pm

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There has to be a rational explanation for this right?
Exerting too much effort on D leading to tired legs?
Curry's age and fatigue?
Softer schedule to begin the year?
Teams learning to defend Steph better as the season progresses?
HIgh variance amongst role players?
Mid season lull after excitement to start the season?
Kerr's rotations?
All of the above?

Seems like too big of a sample size to write it off as an aberration now.

basically means we dont have a 2nd option, wiggins has been a good spot up shooter and poole is just bad in general but neither can lift our offense. I just hope Klay will help that. If not, we will probably end up in 3rd of west and not having a deep PS run.

in fact our 2nd best offensive player is GP2. (as per BPM , RAPM and fivethirtyeight)
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Post#228 » by cpower » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:19 pm

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cpower wrote:
SpreeChokeJob wrote:
The offense is Curry. There’s so many times he’s bailed this team out this year.

The team can’t work without the primary shooter taking the most shots and not making them. Unless you want to set him up like a Chris Paul playmaker. But then you have to watch Curryovers.

that does not make sense.. yeah Curry has been cold but the fact that we can't generate any offense is bad. I still see almost zero adjustment, very few split screens to get Curry open and a lot of iso ball. If Steve Kerr is basically saying "**** Curry is cold i am giving up coaching" then he is not doing his job.


Kerr can do his job, but if Curry is air balling threes and not even close in his layups what is Kerr going to do?

A good CEO once said give me good execution over good planning any day.

Lakers have a better offense than us with Westbrook air balling 3 times a game, a few bad plays from Curry is not going to make 2nd offense become 26th.
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Post#229 » by GswStorm3 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:05 pm

Memphis scares the heck out of me. Even more so than Phoenix.
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Post#230 » by jaymo123 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:08 pm

GswStorm3 wrote:Memphis scares the heck out of me. Even more so than Phoenix.


Opposite for me. I don't expect Tyrus Jones or Williams to have career nights. Paul, Booker, & Ayton scare me.
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Post#231 » by HiRez » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:12 pm

We've fallen to 12th in ORTG, which is really bad considering we spent most of the year solidly in the top 5. Our defense keeps us in a lot of games thankfully, but the offense needs to be solved, it's a team-wide power outage right now. Klay getting back into shape and Draymond returning will help, but we shouldn't be as bad as we are right now.

Kuminga and Moody need to start playing in every game, we're losing anyway so what's the difference? They might have even helped the last few games and they aren't going to get any better against G-League competition.

At this point might as well see what Draymond and Klay bring once they're back and settled down, but I wouldn't feel great about this team entering the playoffs right now. We probably lose to Memphis and the Suns would be challenging. The way they're playing I don't even know if they get past Utah or Denver.
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Post#232 » by SpreeChokeJob » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:27 pm

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cpower wrote:that does not make sense.. yeah Curry has been cold but the fact that we can't generate any offense is bad. I still see almost zero adjustment, very few split screens to get Curry open and a lot of iso ball. If Steve Kerr is basically saying "**** Curry is cold i am giving up coaching" then he is not doing his job.


Kerr can do his job, but if Curry is air balling threes and not even close in his layups what is Kerr going to do?

A good CEO once said give me good execution over good planning any day.


still acting like Kerrs **** sets/rotations haven't contributed to a discombobulated Steph?

steph just suddenly forgot how to play bball huh


Curry is messing up in the beginning of the games. How does the rotations affect how he starts. I can understand mid or end game. But his shots have been way off.
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Post#233 » by clyde21 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:32 pm

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Kerr can do his job, but if Curry is air balling threes and not even close in his layups what is Kerr going to do?

A good CEO once said give me good execution over good planning any day.


still acting like Kerrs **** sets/rotations haven't contributed to a discombobulated Steph?

steph just suddenly forgot how to play bball huh


Curry is messing up in the beginning of the games. How does the rotations affect how he starts. I can understand mid or end game. But his shots have been way off.


bruh, rhythm doesn't just start at beginning of games randomly, sometimes it takes full games, sometimes multiple weeks to actually re-develop and get back into rhythm, especially for a player like Steph that relies so much on rhythm, cadence and timing. he's not KD...he cant just sit there in the mid range and post up against shorter players to develop his rhythm, the way Steph finds his rhythm is completely different than any other player in the NBA or maybe ever.

it always feels weird having to explain to this to Warriors fans, it's like yall haven't been watching him the last decade+.
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Post#234 » by SFrush » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:33 pm

jaymo123 wrote:
GswStorm3 wrote:Memphis scares the heck out of me. Even more so than Phoenix.


Opposite for me. I don't expect Tyrus Jones or Williams to have career nights. Paul, Booker, & Ayton scare me.


They won't they need career nights from either when Brooks returns.
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Post#235 » by jaymo123 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:47 pm

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GswStorm3 wrote:Memphis scares the heck out of me. Even more so than Phoenix.


Opposite for me. I don't expect Tyrus Jones or Williams to have career nights. Paul, Booker, & Ayton scare me.


They won't they need career nights from either when Brooks returns.


I ain't worried about Brooks either. Curry has torched the supposed Curry stopper multiple times, including 46 before Christmas.
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Post#236 » by parsnips33 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:55 pm

Man Wiggins was getting cooked by Morant
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Post#237 » by Samurai » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:11 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Man Wiggins was getting cooked by Morant

True, but Morant is having an All-Star caliber season and is too quick for Wiggins. But it was an odd coaching decision. JTA started the game on Morant and after getting burned on that first possession, Kerr switched the job to Wiggins. But GPII is the one best suited to guard Morant, yet his butt remained stuck on the bench while Morant scored 15 points before our entire team did. GPII didn't get into the game until AFTER Morant subbed out in the 1st quarter, and then when Morant returned with 8:02 left in the 2nd, Kerr decides to take GPII out of the game. To Kerr's credit, he did start GPII in the 3rd quarter and of course we went on a 17-2 run. But when Memphis made their run, which we knew they would since they are a good team, we couldn't overcome the huge deficit we conceded in the first half with Kerr's peculiar reluctance to put GPII on Morant or start JTA over GPII. To me, that was an unforced error on Kerr and the team could not overcome Kerr's stubbornness this game.
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Post#238 » by DonaldSanders » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:19 pm

Ah yes, the predictable sky-is-falling meltdowns after a short rough patch.

We're fine. Draymond is worth more a ton on both sides of the ball and we don't really know how to play on offense without him, which is pretty funny. The solution w/o Dray should be to let Steph handle the ball more but luckily we don't need to worry about this (if Draymond is hurt for the playoffs we aren't winning the chip anyway).

Kuminga is very much needed though -- he needs regular minutes, no more Santa Cruz.

I want to see us try a smallball defensive unit that can also finish around the rim, if you play GP2 slide some of these guys down a spot:

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
GP2/Kuminga
Green

Kuminga is a big in our system, play him at PF and let Draymond be the center. Kuminga can finish what Looney doesn't. GP2 provides so much value we need to find ways to play him more. I like what Looney brings but I don't think we should be attached to him playing a lot every game. Klay can be versatile on defense with his size, so this is doable.

Bench:
GP2/Kuminga should play more they have been.
OPJ
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Iggy
Looney

Then the next group should play a bit more spot duty in this order:
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Post#239 » by DAWill1128 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:28 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:The Warriors had no problem getting into the paint, but they have no finishers so Memphis was able to cheat.

I love Looney, but a big man that could finish would really open up the offense.


It's hard for Poole, Wiggins and Curry to get anything going at the rim when the other team doesn't have to worry about Looney. It was some great defense by the Griz.


This is why Wiseman was drafted. We struggled beating the Rockets because they would have Harden guard Looney and Bell. Harden would just double the ball whenever it got near the paint so Houston had the freedom to defend tight on the 3 point line.

That’s why Green gets so many minutes at center late in games to negate that strategy.
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Post#240 » by tarantism » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:14 pm

Everyone needs to calm down. We've been essentially playing without our QB with Draymond out. We will be fine once he comes back. The good news is Klay looks GREAT out there.

We have a bunch of injured guys right now. It's the middle of a long season. We are still very much contenders when healthy.

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