Game 41, Warriors at Defending champion Bucks, Thurs Jan 13, 4:30 PM PST,

[FNQ]

GREAT doc on the postgame show right now, check it out

I really wish he didnt invoke the idea that there was another meniscus tear, that's extremely unlikely considering the timeframe. Its super-rare that a 'clean-up' is anything other than scar tissue removal or general inflammation that's affecting the original injury.. but still great info overall

[FNQ]

Did elevator screens become illegal or do we just not do them anymore?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

On the plus side:

- Kuminga attacked in his minutes, thats what you want to see
- Iguodala got hardly any floor time after his brutal showing
- JTA hit some 3s, thats cool
- Looney looked good when he played, he at least gave the Bucks something to deal with inside

But I think the worst thing about tonight was that Jordan Poole took 8 attempted shots, all of them were 3s. One he got fouled on, so it got 3 FTs, but if Poole isnt getting to the rim or trying to.. that's a problem.

Ok now Poole is a problem…player on rookie contract 30th pick. What about our leader?

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Jrue Holiday, their best Curry defender did not even play.
We might want try to make our screens better.

[squarepimpin]

GREAT doc on the postgame show right now, check it out

I really wish he didnt invoke the idea that there was another meniscus tear, that's extremely unlikely considering the timeframe. Its super-rare that a 'clean-up' is anything other than scar tissue removal or general inflammation that's affecting the original injury.. but still great info overall

Wiseman after all star now ….


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[clyde21]

Where is the Curry that carried a team? It’s concerning. Games like this … is the reason that I gotta have some Wise … I hate to see the dubs be bully by size … but then it’s Giannis, who don’t he bully.


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Wiseguy gonna cause more problems than he fixes

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

On the plus side:

- Kuminga attacked in his minutes, thats what you want to see
- Iguodala got hardly any floor time after his brutal showing
- JTA hit some 3s, thats cool
- Looney looked good when he played, he at least gave the Bucks something to deal with inside

But I think the worst thing about tonight was that Jordan Poole took 8 attempted shots, all of them were 3s. One he got fouled on, so it got 3 FTs, but if Poole isnt getting to the rim or trying to.. that's a problem.

Ok now Poole is a problem…player on rookie contract 30th pick. What about our leader?

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Jrue Holiday, their best Curry defender did not even play. George Hill is good.
Wes Mathews is 35 years old and I don't think he ever was a particularly good defender.
We might want to improve our screens. Remember how perfect our screens were in 2016 with Luke Walton as coach. Screening was also something Luke Walton did a lot of as a player. Luke Walton was also a good passer who was good at keeping the ball moving. Luke was like a poor man's Draymond Green for the Shaq Kobe Lakers.

[michaelm]

GREAT doc on the postgame show right now, check it out

I really wish he didnt invoke the idea that there was another meniscus tear, that's extremely unlikely considering the timeframe. Its super-rare that a 'clean-up' is anything other than scar tissue removal or general inflammation that's affecting the original injury.. but still great info overall

If they are calling it a clean up I guess that is hopeful, and perhaps it might be scar tissue etc from when he injured the knee separate from his meniscal problem and he has nothing structural now. As has been said they would presumably know if the original meniscal injury hadn't healed or if he had sustained a new meniscal injury (EDIT Bleacher report quotes Slater saying that he had arthroscopy mid December to flush out loose bodies/remove debris from the original surgery).

[oaktownwarriors87]

Someone mentioned it earlier. maybe Steph is dealing with some offcourt stuff.

From Reddit

"[Theory] Steph is slumping because he’s playing hurt

Just speculating but he hurt his hip in the Brooklyn game and said he messed it up pretty bad the following night after beating the Cavs. He’s basically been in a slump ever since, I’ve seen him grab it and wince a couple of times over the past few weeks. Doris mentioned his tailbone when he did it against the Celtics.

Clips against Miami: https://streamable.com/tsy7bx

Here’s the play against Celtics: https://youtu.be/fn258_3TlMQ

Clip of Steph saying he hurt his hip against Brooklyn:

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I’ve seen him do this at least 6-7 times over the past few weeks. Fitz mentioned his tailbone in the Denver game when he started grabbing his hip and wincing."

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/s1wz0j/theory_steph_is_slumping_because_hes_playing_hurt/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

no one cares about Steph's little finger. if a little finger makes him play like completely dog **** then he should look in the mirror.

Little finger?

[vagelis]

I haven't watched any of the last 3 games.
It seems that Thompson addition confused the team?
Without having watched the last games, my opinion before his return was that Thompson should be moved to play sf after his 2 year absence.

It may is better for him to play more off ball and catch and shoot role until he finds his legs.
I would have Wiggins as the sg and Thompson as the sf.
I don't know what you have watched

[SpreeS]

On the plus side:

- Kuminga attacked in his minutes, thats what you want to see
- Iguodala got hardly any floor time after his brutal showing
- JTA hit some 3s, thats cool
- Looney looked good when he played, he at least gave the Bucks something to deal with inside

But I think the worst thing about tonight was that Jordan Poole took 8 attempted shots, all of them were 3s. One he got fouled on, so it got 3 FTs, but if Poole isnt getting to the rim or trying to.. that's a problem.

Ok now Poole is a problem…player on rookie contract 30th pick. What about our leader?

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Stop it. It’s looking silly. If he is payed 50mln per year, he needs to create for others, not other way.

[FNQ]

Ok now Poole is a problem…player on rookie contract 30th pick. What about our leader?

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Jrue Holiday, their best Curry defender did not even play. George Hill is good.
Wes Mathews is 35 years old and I don't think he ever was a particularly good defender.
We might want to improve our screens. Remember how perfect our screens were in 2016 with Luke Walton as coach. Screening was also something Luke Walton did a lot of as a player. Luke Walton was also a good passer who was good at keeping the ball moving. Luke was like a poor man's Draymond Green for the Shaq Kobe Lakers.

You don’t think Matthews was, or is, a particularly good defender?

We did screen. They weren’t the problem. They had the screeners man AND Stephs man follow Steph. 4 on 3, but when Iguodala, JTA, or any other struggling benchee is one of the 4, it’s effectively 3v3.

[FNQ]

Ok now Poole is a problem…player on rookie contract 30th pick. What about our leader?

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Stop it. It’s looking silly. If he is payed 50mln per year, he needs to create for others, not other way.

Yes, it’s not like there’s a long history of this happening or having one player literally account for 2 defenders all game isn’t valuable.

No one cares about your fantasy team. Fact is the rest of the team didn’t do anything and when that happens, Steph can’t do anything about it. Clearly you weren’t a fan when Klay was just starting out and this happened all the time. Monta fans loved that argument..

[FNQ]

GREAT doc on the postgame show right now, check it out

I really wish he didnt invoke the idea that there was another meniscus tear, that's extremely unlikely considering the timeframe. Its super-rare that a 'clean-up' is anything other than scar tissue removal or general inflammation that's affecting the original injury.. but still great info overall

If they are calling it a clean up I guess that is hopeful, and perhaps it might be scar tissue etc from when he injured the knee separate from his meniscal problem and he has nothing structural now. As has been said they would presumably know if the original meniscal injury hadn't healed or if he had sustained a new meniscal injury (EDIT Bleacher report quotes Slater saying that he had arthroscopy mid December to flush out loose bodies/remove debris from the original surgery).

Yup, just have to hope the scar tissue didn’t fragment too much. We’ll see.. considering they said 6-8 weeks, that bodes well, but we never know 100% until he starts testing it out, which by standard timelines would probably be around next week to end of January

[watch1958]

When Wiseman went into COVID protocol, Kerr said that he was days away from being released for contact. Not sure how that squares with this timeframe.

[watch1958]

And where was Moody? Was he on the bench? Or still with the SeaDubs?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Our leader was attached at the hip by a great defender all game, and then doubled if we ran screens. We ran minimal plays to get him looks, all of them were forced.

Poole was 1 on 1 most of the game without doubleteams and driving is a huge part of his game, and he didnt take anything but 3s

Jrue Holiday, their best Curry defender did not even play. George Hill is good.
Wes Mathews is 35 years old and I don't think he ever was a particularly good defender.
We might want to improve our screens. Remember how perfect our screens were in 2016 with Luke Walton as coach. Screening was also something Luke Walton did a lot of as a player. Luke Walton was also a good passer who was good at keeping the ball moving. Luke was like a poor man's Draymond Green for the Shaq Kobe Lakers.

You don’t think Matthews was, or is, a particularly good defender?

We did screen. They weren’t the problem. They had the screeners man AND Stephs man follow Steph. 4 on 3, but when Iguodala, JTA, or any other struggling benchee is one of the 4, it’s effectively 3v3.

I am not entirely sure of myself but I filed Mathews in my brain as a shooter not a defender. And he is is 35 years old now; isn't age catching up with him?

Steph taking two men was good when Steph dumped to Draymond and Draymond ran the 4 on 3 offense. That was Kerr's great change to the Mark Jackson offense. Who does Steph dump it to now? It probably should be dumped to Iguodala arround the free throw line which is where Draymond most often recieved the dump pass and then like Draymond Iguodala could pretend to drive while thinking pass first. But that isn't where Iguodala normaly plays. Iguodala is normally on the sidelines. Asking JTA to be Draymond including being the passer seems wrong. We also don't really want Chiozza, (the next best passer I guess) to play at all. Wiggins hasn't really shown that he can be the passer but Wiggins drive from the free throw line would have to be taken seriously. I have seen Porter do a few nice thing passing. We could try putting Porter in Draymond's offensive role but then we lose Porter as a spacer at the 3 point line. Maybe Bjelica; i have seen people praise his passing. Bjelica is a tall target for recieving Stephs dumpmout.jelica is a little cold from 3 point land so maybe having him play as Draymond might make sense. But he is our back up for Looney. Maybe give Bjelica a try as the distributer but Draymond's passing is really not replaceable.

[watch1958]

I think the real issue is that a bunch of them need new haircuts.

[cpower]

lets look at the early mins lineup:
Curry Klay Wiggins Looney GP2, we are doing ok (2-2) until Looney had foul trouble and replaced by Iggy
we got destroyed inside and was chucking threes (Klay missed 2, iggy GP2 wiggins 3)
Curry sub out (15-24) and we were down between 9 to 14 pts until Bucks started to hit everything (without Giannis) and we are not able to generate any offense with Curry on the court. (Bjelica missed 3 shots in 2 mins)


so without looking at the defense (losing focus) , looks like Klay was rushing his shots (missed first 7 jumpers) and bbelly was chucking after. Curry should have gotten 8 shots at this point but he only puts up 4 shots and made 1 threes. As you can see the quality of offense just not there.

[michaelm]

I really wish he didnt invoke the idea that there was another meniscus tear, that's extremely unlikely considering the timeframe. Its super-rare that a 'clean-up' is anything other than scar tissue removal or general inflammation that's affecting the original injury.. but still great info overall

If they are calling it a clean up I guess that is hopeful, and perhaps it might be scar tissue etc from when he injured the knee separate from his meniscal problem and he has nothing structural now. As has been said they would presumably know if the original meniscal injury hadn't healed or if he had sustained a new meniscal injury (EDIT Bleacher report quotes Slater saying that he had arthroscopy mid December to flush out loose bodies/remove debris from the original surgery).

Yup, just have to hope the scar tissue didn’t fragment too much. We’ll see.. considering they said 6-8 weeks, that bodes well, but we never know 100% until he starts testing it out, which by standard timelines would probably be around next week to end of January

Yes, they said he is still progressing towards contact/3 vs 3. They didn't say what the nature of the debris/loose bodies was.

[oaktownwarriors87]