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I don't remember Bell making the kind of passes TJD makes.

You haven't seen TJD actually make any passes in an NBA game, but here's Jordan Bell making plenty:

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Easy for people to forget or maybe they never noticed in the first place.

I know G League stats don’t mean much, but Bell was a 5 assist player there.

The Dubs kept him in Santa Cruz and training camp for a long time, and even as an emergency backup at the end of 20-21.

Never pulled the trigger on bringing him back though, even as a 15th man.

[EvanZ]

Notice how willing Bell was to set screens too. Wish Kuminga could buy in like that.


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[michaelm]

TJD and Jordan Bell are nothing alike

They are very much alike. TJD may be a better or worse version, that remains to be seen.

This actually makes me a little optimistic about TJD. Bell was a serviceable role player his first year. He got totally eclipsed by Kevon the next year, when Looney made huge improvements while JB partied.

If TJD is kinda like Bell, but with discipline and willingness to be coached, he could be a useful bench guy over 82 games.

Doesn’t make him likely to sniff the playoffs, but saving wear and tear on Draymond and Looney while banking RS wins is a good thing.

He looked a smidge puffy in SL, compared to March. I hope professional trainers and coaches will sharpen his body and game. Have Dejan teach him some tricks to use against bigger players.

Sure, the largest problem with Bell was attitude, he seemed to think being on a championship team meant he was a highly elite player comparable with the starters on the team, and while he definitely contributed that was not the case.

Signs of TJD’s attitude are good so far, and as for fitness and athleticism he missed most of the summer league with an injury (? hamstring) and while I am not expecting him to turn into Andrew Wiggins athletically, he probably shouldn’t be judged in this respect from 2 summer league league games played coming off an injury. If he can provide something like what Bjelica did off the bench that would be very useful, he doesn’t have to be a franchise level center, and being 240 lbs should allow him to bang with most opponents.

[EvanZ]

Judging his athleticism based on four years at Indiana not two games of SL. He’s a great vertical athlete just not a good lateral one. Kind of like a poor man’s Blake Griffin in that sense.


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[michaelm]

Judging his athleticism based on four years at Indiana not two games of SL. He’s a great vertical athlete just not a good lateral one. Kind of like a poor man’s Blake Griffin in that sense.


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Sure, I will take your word for it if you have followed him that long, and maybe he needs to lose some weight as FNQ says. I think the fitness thing still holds, which was majorly what I responded to out of fitness and athleticism. he can't be expected to be as fit as it is possible for him to be after he could hardly play any summer league games due to an injury, a hamstring injury I beleve.

[KevinMcreynolds]

TJD and Jordan Bell are nothing alike

They are very much alike. TJD may be a better or worse version, that remains to be seen.

TJDs game seems totally reliant on BBIQ and all-around skills. Jordan Bell literally had no skill except “jumps high”

[EvanZ]

TJD and Jordan Bell are nothing alike

They are very much alike. TJD may be a better or worse version, that remains to be seen.

TJDs game seems totally reliant on BBIQ and all-around skills. Jordan Bell literally had no skill except “jumps high”

Then you weren’t paying attention to either of them. Not surprising as most people here don’t follow college much. Jordan Bell was a really creative passer at Oregon. He showed that when he played for us too. He was just too small to be a 5 at the end of the day.

I would advise waiting to see TJD in actual NBA games before claiming he’s more skilled than Bell. It remains to be seen what he actually can do against NBA competition.


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[KevinMcreynolds]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

[Coxy]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

He also just seemed like an air head and didn't really want to be as good as he could be.

[WarriorGM]

Regarding Jordan Bell, I think he'd be a useful guy to have around in training camp. Bell was a draft pick that fit the timeline of the vets. He still should be somewhere around his athletic peak. He gets maligned a lot around here but he was somewhat playable in the playoffs the short time he was with the team. He'd make a good benchmark to measure the abilities of the newer guys against. If you're a guy worth having on the team you need to be better than Jordan Bell. As far as I can tell it worked well the last time he was in training camp.

[EvanZ]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

He didn’t forget anything. He was an undersized 5 and just not good enough. I would advise waiting until you actually see TJD perform better against NBA competition before deciding he’s going to do any of these things. But of course you won’t. You’ve gone straight from watching him play two SL games after never watching him for four years at Indiana to deciding he’s a future AS. That’s how this works I guess.


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[michaelm]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

He didn’t forget anything. He was an undersized 5 and just not good enough. I would advise waiting until you actually see TJD perform better against NBA competition before deciding he’s going to do any of these things. But of course you won’t. You’ve gone straight from watching him play two SL games after never watching him for four years at Indiana to deciding he’s a future AS. That’s how this works I guess.


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I don’t think anyone thinks KJD is ever likely to be a starter, let alone an all star, people are hoping he can be a useful role player, without much more to hope for in terms of new players with any size at this point in time. Of course it is hard for any player, even one drafted much higher, to be useful in their first year in the NBA. He does at least seem to like to do things which might be useful like rebound and set screens, and to have a good attitude, although I will again take your word for it having watched him for 4 years if you think he doesn’t. Bell was only ever a role player, but did iirc contribute something to a title run, but then seemed to decide he was better than he actually was. McGaw was perhaps similar, although the fall from the rim he had would upset anyone’s equilibrium.

[EvanZ]

People focus all their time on TJD’s skills that are secondary or even tertiary to his NBA role. The truth is he will probably fail or succeed nearly 100% on his ability to be a rim protector. That is everything for him.


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[EvanZ]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

He didn’t forget anything. He was an undersized 5 and just not good enough. I would advise waiting until you actually see TJD perform better against NBA competition before deciding he’s going to do any of these things. But of course you won’t. You’ve gone straight from watching him play two SL games after never watching him for four years at Indiana to deciding he’s a future AS. That’s how this works I guess.


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I don’t think anyone thinks KJD is ever likely to be a starter, let alone an all star, people are hoping he can be a useful role player, without much more to hope for in terms of new players with any size at this point in time. Of course it is hard for any player, even one drafted much higher, to be useful in their first year in the NBA. He does at least seem to like to do things which might be useful like rebound and set screens, and to have a good attitude, although I will again take your word for it having watched him for 4 years if you think he doesn’t. Bell was only ever a role player, but did iirc contribute something to a title run, but then seemed to decide he was better than he actually was. McGaw was perhaps similar, although the fall from the rim he had would upset anyone’s equilibrium.

You misunderstand me if you think I didn’t like TJD. I had him 25 on my draft board this year. I just think the hype is out of control and also people are being super defensive when I say he’s like Jordan Bell. That is not meant to be an insult. It’s just my opinion of his archetype for better or worse. I liked Jordan Bell coming out of the draft too. He didn’t pan out but that’s more often than not the case with second round picks. Which is also what TJD is.


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[michaelm]

He didn’t forget anything. He was an undersized 5 and just not good enough. I would advise waiting until you actually see TJD perform better against NBA competition before deciding he’s going to do any of these things. But of course you won’t. You’ve gone straight from watching him play two SL games after never watching him for four years at Indiana to deciding he’s a future AS. That’s how this works I guess.


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I don’t think anyone thinks KJD is ever likely to be a starter, let alone an all star, people are hoping he can be a useful role player, without much more to hope for in terms of new players with any size at this point in time. Of course it is hard for any player, even one drafted much higher, to be useful in their first year in the NBA. He does at least seem to like to do things which might be useful like rebound and set screens, and to have a good attitude, although I will again take your word for it having watched him for 4 years if you think he doesn’t. Bell was only ever a role player, but did iirc contribute something to a title run, but then seemed to decide he was better than he actually was. McGaw was perhaps similar, although the fall from the rim he had would upset anyone’s equilibrium.

You misunderstand me if you think I didn’t like TJD. I had him 25 on my draft board this year. I just think the hype is out of control and also people are being super defensive when I say he’s like Jordan Bell. That is not meant to be an insult. It’s just my opinion of his archetype for better or worse. I liked Jordan Bell coming out of the draft too. He didn’t pan out but that’s more often than not the case with second round picks. Which is also what TJD is.


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Good then. I thought Jordan Bell was quite useful in the 2018 title run. If KJD is Jordan Bell but a little stronger and with a better attitude that would be a good result. I think people are just hopeful that GSW drafted a player with some size with qualities which might actually fit with Ker/GSW ball, rather than trying to draft a new KD or whatever they were looking for in Wiseman. And given their record since drafting Klay Thompson at 12 they could perhaps be considered more likely to hit with a pick above 20. There was some behind the scenes sleight of hand I gather and he might be more the equivalent of a mid 30s pick even apart from your evaluation of him.

[michaelm]

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[CDM_Stats]

it is kinda strange that we can throw archetypes of star players without batting an eye but if the archetype of a non-star is thrown out there, its a lightning rod. Its a bit disingenuous.. and a lot ironic

[KevinMcreynolds]

I guess when he go to the pros he totally forgot how to pass, dribble, shoot, play defense, play offense, and play basketball in general then

He didn’t forget anything. He was an undersized 5 and just not good enough. I would advise waiting until you actually see TJD perform better against NBA competition before deciding he’s going to do any of these things. But of course you won’t. You’ve gone straight from watching him play two SL games after never watching him for four years at Indiana to deciding he’s a future AS. That’s how this works I guess.


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I never even said TJD will pan out, let alone be a future AS. I doubt he’s an NBA player. Have a good Monday, Evan!