Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach

jozef · Post #221 » by **jozef** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:50 pm

That guy Jim Park knows what he talks about in his TJD videos.
I could understand a loyalty factor for a week or two, but that athletic level of our starting center is unacceptable.
I learned the game on Jerry Sloan's Utah Jazz and I see analogy with Kevon and Dario:
- Stockton and Malone teams could not beat the Bulls cause their starting center Ostertag was an offensive scrub (still it was enough to sweep the Lakers) and Rony Seikaly refuted to come in Utah in a trade cause he rather liked to be a DJ in Miami clubs than a NBA champion on the Jazz team
- Williams and Boozer could not get on top cause their starting center Mehmet Okur could not jump to block any shots, and their starting small forward Andrei Kirilenko could not execute (still both were liked by owner Miller, in contrast to Boozer)

There is an issue with Steve Kerr - for some reason he got convinced that small lineup is a superior to normal or tall lineup. Maybe there are guys in his coaching staff who are dedicated to small lineup... For sure it is a sports tragedy.
For sake Jerry Sloan did not mess with small lineups then.

ShootersShoot · Post #222 » by **ShootersShoot** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:03 pm

Since draymonds most recent suspension, kerr has benched wiggins and playing the young guys more

Loon tjd
Jk saric
Klay wiggins
Podz moody cp3
Steph cp3

Add a humbled draymond to this team (lol) and it really looks like one of the deeper teams in the league

Kerr hasnt been hesitant to play the young guys as of late..its pushing the vets and at the same time the young guys are catching a groove. I have not felt this way in a while but it really feels we can make a run with this current group but the young guys are going to have to play a big role

Dom801e · Post #223 » by **Dom801e** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:40 pm

Will be interesting to see who gets left out of rotation when Draymond and GP2 are back.

jozef · Post #224 » by **jozef** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:36 pm

We still did not play any top team at full strength. Denver missed Murray, Boston missed Porzingis, Phoenix missed Beal or Durant. Only Clippers was complete but it was soon after Harden joined them.

So for reaching top level we cannot not play CP3 with Steph. Wiggs has to start at SF again.

And I am firm believer in a ONE FLOW synergy team with same identity for backups and starters. But you need players who fit.
PG Curry/Podziemski
SG Thompson/Moody
SF Wiggins/Payton II
PF Green/Kuminga
C Jackson-Davis/?
So we need just trade for an athletic center to share that spot with TJD and buy CP3 out to create a comfortable environment to play young players.

HiRez · Post #225 » by **HiRez** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:36 am

Dom801e wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets left out of rotation when Draymond and GP2 are back.

That's the problem, when Draymond comes back things are going to have to change pretty radically, and I fear Kerr's instinct will be to revert to "the band is back together, let's go back to what won us all those championships". That means Kuminga and Moody and TJD are going to play a lot less and probably Looney plays more too. And we're going to look like the same team that has starters who are old, slow, undersized, and can't score enough, and the young guys getting jerked around with poorly-defined roles and DNP-CDs again.

Should have taken this opportunity to trade Draymond, yes they can actually thrive without him. I'm not even sure they need GP2 honestly. I love the guy but his presence throws a big wrench into the lineups because Kerr plays him all over the place and he's not someone you want to depend on being available throughout a playoff run. If he's playing then Podz and Moses are getting a lot less development time. Same with Draymond and Kuminga (and TJD to some extent).

We've seen that Steph can be very effective with Kuminga and/or Moody and/or Podz and/or TJD and/or CP3, with Klay and Wiggs in supporting roles for offense and defense respectively. Just look at the final Boston play. Klay's gravity pins Brown on the 3-point line, Kuminga puts a body on Tatum, allowing TJD to get inside and deflect the rebound to Paul, who finds Steph for the dagger. That's a whole-team effort that replicates a lot of the things that Draymond does, but also providing a lot of things that Draymond doesn't.

I know it'll sound crazy, but I think Chris Paul might be more effective to have on the team than Draymond at this time. And the rapid development of Podz gives you some protection against a CP injury (with Corey "break glass in case of emergency" Joseph also on the bench).

Steph / CP / Podz / (CoJo)
Klay / Moody / Podz / Steph / CP
Wiggs / Moody / Kuminga / (Santos)
Kuminga / Wiggs / Saric / (Santos)
TJD / Loon / Saric / (Garuba)

That looks like a pretty nice rotation to me with a lot of flexibility to slide guys up or down a spot. Experience, offense, defense, athleticism is all there. Maybe GP2 is in there too, but I really think we're seeing Draymond is not a must-have now.

jozef · Post #226 » by **jozef** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:22 am

There is no replacement to Dray. We talk championship.
Kuminga is reliable backup PF.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #227 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:29 am

HiRez wrote:
Dom801e wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets left out of rotation when Draymond and GP2 are back.

That's the problem, when Draymond comes back things are going to have to change pretty radically, and I fear Kerr's instinct will be to revert to "the band is back together, let's go back to what won us all those championships". That means Kuminga and Moody and TJD are going to play a lot less and probably Looney plays more too. And we're going to look like the same team that has starters who are old, slow, undersized, and can't score enough, and the young guys getting jerked around with poorly-defined roles and DNP-CDs again.

Should have taken this opportunity to trade Draymond, yes they can actually thrive without him. I'm not even sure they need GP2 honestly. I love the guy but his presence throws a big wrench into the lineups because Kerr plays him all over the place and he's not someone you want to depend on being available throughout a playoff run. If he's playing then Podz and Moses are getting a lot less development time. Same with Draymond and Kuminga (and TJD to some extent).

We've seen that Steph can be very effective with Kuminga and/or Moody and/or Podz and/or TJD and/or CP3, with Klay and Wiggs in supporting roles for offense and defense respectively. Just look at the final Boston play. Klay's gravity pins Brown on the 3-point line, Kuminga puts a body on Tatum, allowing TJD to get inside and deflect the rebound to Paul, who finds Steph for the dagger. That's a whole-team effort that replicates a lot of the things that Draymond does, but also providing a lot of things that Draymond doesn't.

I know it'll sound crazy, but I think Chris Paul might be more effective to have on the team than Draymond at this time. And the rapid development of Podz gives you some protection against a CP injury (with Corey "break glass in case of emergency" Joseph also on the bench).

Steph / CP / Podz / (CoJo)
Klay / Moody / Podz / Steph / CP
Wiggs / Moody / Kuminga / (Santos)
Kuminga / Wiggs / Saric / (Santos)
TJD / Loon / Saric / (Garuba)

That looks like a pretty nice rotation to me with a lot of flexibility to slide guys up or down a spot. Experience, offense, defense, athleticism is all there. Maybe GP2 is in there too, but I really think we're seeing Draymond is not a must-have now.

Bench needs Chris Paul.
Draymond understands Steph and Klay.

Starters need a spark because they played uninspired.

I think I want to give Podz to the starters and keep Wiggins with the bench until Wiggins starts looking inspired.

Looney, Draymond
Klay at SF
Podz Curry.

CP3
Moody
Kuminga Who I think would rather be a small forward
Trayce JD
Saric

If Moody does not play well then Payton.
If Podz does not play well then Payton

Jerry Maine · Post #228 » by **Jerry Maine** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:01 am

Strength in numbers.

Thank the kids, Kuminga, Moody, Podz and now TJD for solidifying an already deep bench with Paul, GP2 and Saric.

That's 12 deep not including CoJo.

Old Klay has returned, at least his shooting, and noone else has shown the necessary chops on offence. If the other core starters can turn it around we are mad deep, albeit not without our usual shortcomings in shot locking, turnovers, fouls. The kids are knocking on the door...

jozef · Post #229 » by **jozef** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:46 pm

You just propose going small with Podz at SG and Klay at SF... There is huge difference between Podz and Wiggs. Speaking of absolutely top level this is an analogy to Loon and TJD.
Same with CP3 leading backups. It just smell unathleticism and the only go-to move for backups is picknpop CP3 with Dario which turns young guys to standing spacing slots instead of running starters offense based on multiple screens.

SpreeChokeJob · Post #230 » by **SpreeChokeJob** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:37 pm

Jerry Maine wrote:Strength in numbers.

Thank the kids, Kuminga, Moody, Podz and now TJD for solidifying an already deep bench with Paul, GP2 and Saric.

That's 12 deep not including CoJo.

Old Klay has returned, at least his shooting, and noone else has shown the necessary chops on offence. If the other core starters can turn it around we are mad deep, albeit not without our usual shortcomings in shot locking, turnovers, fouls. The kids are knocking on the door...

The kids haven’t been scouted yet or game planned for yet. When they become more of a problem, the opposing coaches will spend more time preparing for them. It is in the team’s best interest to play them more so they know what to do when teams take away their tendencies. The scrubs should be assigned garbage time or during blowouts. Nellie even sat Adonal Foyle, even though I believed he would have helped during the Utah series.

CDM_Stats · Post #231 » by **CDM_Stats** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:34 pm

Jerry Maine wrote:Old Klay has returned, at least his shooting, and noone else has shown the necessary chops on offence. If the other core starters can turn it around we are mad deep, albeit not without our usual shortcomings in shot locking, turnovers, fouls. The kids are knocking on the door...

If we're playing the same system that Kerr has the first 25 games, they wont

A truly impactful Wiggins/Looney was due to a system that appeared to be meticulously planned.. they are no longer using that system. It's reduced both of their defensive impact considerably, as well as disrupting the continuity of the unit. I'd imagine its being done to spare Klay's legs so he doesnt have to work as much on defense.. but it took what, 20 games for Klay to get into rhythm anyways? So doesnt seem like that solved anything

Crazy-Canuck · Post #232 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:30 am

Mjd might as well trade dray, wiggins, and Looney. I'm sure brown would love them in sactown.

Kerr seems to be intent on bringing back Nellie ball.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #233 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:14 am

Kerr gave Draymond David Lee’s job.
Kerr inherited Curry and Klay as starters.

Looney and Wiggins took jobs that had no established starters.

6th man Poole to a job that had no established player.

Would Kerr dare to give Trayce Davis Looney’s job if Truce outplays Looney?

Is Kerr really replacing Wiggins with Podz until Wiggins plays more like 2022 Wiggins?

Has any team kept the player roles more stable than the Warriors have for the past 9 years?

Sandy333 · Post #234 » by **Sandy333** » Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:19 pm

ShootersShoot wrote:Since draymonds most recent suspension, kerr has benched wiggins and playing the young guys more

Loon tjd
Jk saric
Klay wiggins
Podz moody cp3
Steph cp3

Add a humbled draymond to this team (lol) and it really looks like one of the deeper teams in the league

Kerr hasnt been hesitant to play the young guys as of late..its pushing the vets and at the same time the young guys are catching a groove. I have not felt this way in a while but it really feels we can make a run with this current group but the young guys are going to have to play a big role

Steve had to, because the second unit was performing so much better, it was embarrassing.
Play the young guys, they will improve. Old guys need go back to workshop to improve thier fitness and add new tricks.
Good to see steph and thompson adding more to thier midrange with teams so much focused on running them off the three point line.

CDM_Stats · Post #235 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:28 am

Anyone who disagrees anymore? If so, state your case because I dont think anyone else sees it

Onus · Post #236 » by **Onus** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:32 am

He’s in the running for worst coach of the year, in a year where the pistons have lost 28 straight and counting‬.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #237 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 5:58 am

The starters continue to be the biggest player issue.

No dray, hes swapped out loon, hes swapped out Wiggins. Only 2 pieces left to try swapping.

Your move Stevie.

Onus · Post #238 » by **Onus** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:08 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:The starters continue to be the biggest player issue.

No dray, hes swapped out loon, hes swapped out Wiggins. Only 2 pieces left to try swapping.

Your move Stevie.

At this point I’m assuming he tried to bench Curry for cp3

sonnyhill · Post #239 » by **sonnyhill** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:40 pm

Cyrus Saatsaz does a great job at deconstructing exactly where Kerr is falling short in this post-Heat-game "Locked on Warriors" podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb253YXJyaW9ycw/episode/N2Y0MDBjMGUtYTYyYi0xMWVlLTk4N2YtNmIxNTM2Yjg4Y2Q0?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjY3a3Cj7iDAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQLA

cpower · Post #240 » by **cpower** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:09 pm

ShootersShoot wrote:Since draymonds most recent suspension, kerr has benched wiggins and playing the young guys more

Loon tjd
Jk saric
Klay wiggins
Podz moody cp3
Steph cp3

Add a humbled draymond to this team (lol) and it really looks like one of the deeper teams in the league

Kerr hasnt been hesitant to play the young guys as of late..its pushing the vets and at the same time the young guys are catching a groove. I have not felt this way in a while but it really feels we can make a run with this current group but the young guys are going to have to play a big role

starting lineup is a big issue we have to make it work because they are not beating even the bad teams and need bench to save their @ss every time