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Starters

Melton
18
13%
Wiggins
34
25%
Podz
15
11%
Kuminga
29
21%
Moody
7
5%
Loon
4
3%
Hield
4
3%
Tjd
26
19%
 
Total votes: 137

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Re: Who starts? 

Post#221 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:28 am

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I think the team should experiment with starting and ending with Dray at the 5. Our roster's depth means we can pull from the bench much quicker and minimize fatigue. Dray is playing 28 minutes a game right now anyway so I don't know what there is to be fatigued about.

Curry-Hield-Moody-Wiggins-Draymond is a lineup I'd love to see but I don't think that's ever happened (nor will happen)


I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#222 » by Jester_ » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:45 am

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Jester_ wrote:
I think the team should experiment with starting and ending with Dray at the 5. Our roster's depth means we can pull from the bench much quicker and minimize fatigue. Dray is playing 28 minutes a game right now anyway so I don't know what there is to be fatigued about.

Curry-Hield-Moody-Wiggins-Draymond is a lineup I'd love to see but I don't think that's ever happened (nor will happen)


I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)


Yeah given we won a championship with Curry-Poole-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney it's baffling that we aren't trying the virtually identical lineup that we can run with Hield or Melton
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#223 » by Onus » Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:48 am

I really wonder how much longer they’re going to continue to start tjd.
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#224 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:27 am

Jester_ wrote:
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Jester_ wrote:
I think the team should experiment with starting and ending with Dray at the 5. Our roster's depth means we can pull from the bench much quicker and minimize fatigue. Dray is playing 28 minutes a game right now anyway so I don't know what there is to be fatigued about.

Curry-Hield-Moody-Wiggins-Draymond is a lineup I'd love to see but I don't think that's ever happened (nor will happen)


I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)


Yeah given we won a championship with Curry-Poole-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney it's baffling that we aren't trying the virtually identical lineup that we can run with Hield or Melton


I think kerr is keeping that steph, dray, loon, and wiggins group in his back pocket. Clutch time vs the celtics, kerr closed with them.
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#225 » by CDM_Stats » Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:53 pm

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Jester_ wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)


Yeah given we won a championship with Curry-Poole-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney it's baffling that we aren't trying the virtually identical lineup that we can run with Hield or Melton


I think kerr is keeping that steph, dray, loon, and wiggins group in his back pocket. Clutch time vs the celtics, kerr closed with them.


Only using that lineup in the last few minutes of close games seems like a waste, why not use it when you go down 20-2 against a legitimate team early in Q1 to see if it turns the tide? I'd love to believe Kerr sees how good it is, but there's a hell of a lot more evidence that he doesnt
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#226 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:38 pm

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Jester_ wrote:
I think the team should experiment with starting and ending with Dray at the 5. Our roster's depth means we can pull from the bench much quicker and minimize fatigue. Dray is playing 28 minutes a game right now anyway so I don't know what there is to be fatigued about.

Curry-Hield-Moody-Wiggins-Draymond is a lineup I'd love to see but I don't think that's ever happened (nor will happen)


I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)


If Loon, GP2, Slomo all need to be kept under 18 minutes a game I wonder what the best way to spend those minutes is. Losing the first quarter is an issue, but the team hasn't been very consistent from quarter to quarter all year because the lineups seem so fluid over the course of each game between games. No consistency.
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#227 » by vvoland » Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:55 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
I'd settle for either more Draymond at the 5 or the Wiggins-Draymond-Looney tandem, who all complement each other so well. And if Hield is even close to how he's started, Curry-Hield-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney will likely be our best lineup with the least variance. A Curry-Hield-Wiggins-JK-Dray lineup could beat it but will probably have higher highs and lower lows

Kerr went to the defensive death trio for more than a single minute only twice in the first 9 games.. and while I'm very happy with his overall performance, this is the kind of thing that could entirely sour it for me. Because we arent hypothesizing anything here, this trio has already happened and anchored the #1 defense in the league. It would be nice to play them against ONE of the 3 elite teams on this road trip to see if its still viable (almost 100% sure it is) and figuring out who would be the best 5th player to add to them + Curry. Hield is the heavy favorite, because offense is most important in that role (see Poole/Klay being part of past lineups and thriving)


Yeah given we won a championship with Curry-Poole-Wiggins-Draymond-Looney it's baffling that we aren't trying the virtually identical lineup that we can run with Hield or Melton


I think kerr is keeping that steph, dray, loon, and wiggins group in his back pocket. Clutch time vs the celtics, kerr closed with them.


I wonder if Kerr just doesn't see a way to play tjd if it's not with the starting lineup and is hoping tjd is about to turn the corner
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#228 » by Impuniti » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:33 pm

I voted Melton-Wiggins-TJD but the latter might be the [ ? ] that rotates depending on forms/opposition. Looney, TJD or maybe even JK if we want to see a hyper fast & athletic lineup. Slomo as an option to close as well for a JK/Slomo closing small ball.
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Post#229 » by CDM_Stats » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:48 am

If Melton is the starter going forward, and I think he's as good a choice as they can make, I think I'd like to see this (shifts of 4 minutes):

Curry (32) / Podz (16)
Melton (24) / Hield (24)
Wiggins (28) / Moody (12) / GP2 (8)
Dray (20) / JK (20) / SloMo (8)
Looney (16) / TJD (12) / Dray (12) / SloMo (8)

Notes:
- every single one of Looney's minutes would be with Wiggins and Draymond
- every single one of SloMo's minutes should be with Podz, as Podz really can't do the PG thing
- there should be no overlap of TJD and JK's minutes, or as little as possible (8 with SloMo, 4 with Draymond)
- Lindy should be behind emergency glass in case something is going wrong with the guards

I'd personally give Moody all of GP2s minutes and have GP2 be the defensive equivalent of Lindy.. there's been a pretty noticeable drop-off on his off-ball defense the past 2 years. He's still a great defender and all, but his 3ball has regressed along with overall defense compared to when he was a great 18mpg spark plug. Wont move the needle all that much but Moody's hitting 46% from deep on solid volume while still being a very good off-ball defender. Makes me concerned about what his minutes will look like when he goes back to his regular %s of 36-40%
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#230 » by SpreeS » Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:35 pm

Close out unit

Green/Kuminga/Wiggs/Melton/Curry 17min +80.1 nrtg
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#231 » by Impuniti » Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:03 pm

SpreeS wrote:Close out unit

Green/Kuminga/Wiggs/Melton/Curry 17min +80.1 nrtg

This might be the new death lineup, and JK the "Andre" of this new team.
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#232 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:56 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:If Melton is the starter going forward, and I think he's as good a choice as they can make, I think I'd like to see this (shifts of 4 minutes):

Curry (32) / Podz (16)
Melton (24) / Hield (24)
Wiggins (28) / Moody (12) / GP2 (8)
Dray (20) / JK (20) / SloMo (8)
Looney (16) / TJD (12) / Dray (12) / SloMo (8)

Notes:
- every single one of Looney's minutes would be with Wiggins and Draymond
- every single one of SloMo's minutes should be with Podz, as Podz really can't do the PG thing
- there should be no overlap of TJD and JK's minutes, or as little as possible (8 with SloMo, 4 with Draymond)
- Lindy should be behind emergency glass in case something is going wrong with the guards

I'd personally give Moody all of GP2s minutes and have GP2 be the defensive equivalent of Lindy.. there's been a pretty noticeable drop-off on his off-ball defense the past 2 years. He's still a great defender and all, but his 3ball has regressed along with overall defense compared to when he was a great 18mpg spark plug. Wont move the needle all that much but Moody's hitting 46% from deep on solid volume while still being a very good off-ball defender. Makes me concerned about what his minutes will look like when he goes back to his regular %s of 36-40%


Kerr said he wants Curry and Dray under 30 on average, and 24 may be high for Melton too.

You are reducing Moody from 16 to 12 mpg as a baseline?

How is GP2's health?

I think it makes sense to plan Waters as a regular part of the rotation too, maybe in the group with Podz/SloMo. Having a catch and shoot 3 point shooter can help lesser PGs keep some offense going.
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Post#233 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:05 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:If Melton is the starter going forward, and I think he's as good a choice as they can make, I think I'd like to see this (shifts of 4 minutes):

Curry (32) / Podz (16)
Melton (24) / Hield (24)
Wiggins (28) / Moody (12) / GP2 (8)
Dray (20) / JK (20) / SloMo (8)
Looney (16) / TJD (12) / Dray (12) / SloMo (8)

Notes:
- every single one of Looney's minutes would be with Wiggins and Draymond
- every single one of SloMo's minutes should be with Podz, as Podz really can't do the PG thing
- there should be no overlap of TJD and JK's minutes, or as little as possible (8 with SloMo, 4 with Draymond)
- Lindy should be behind emergency glass in case something is going wrong with the guards

I'd personally give Moody all of GP2s minutes and have GP2 be the defensive equivalent of Lindy.. there's been a pretty noticeable drop-off on his off-ball defense the past 2 years. He's still a great defender and all, but his 3ball has regressed along with overall defense compared to when he was a great 18mpg spark plug. Wont move the needle all that much but Moody's hitting 46% from deep on solid volume while still being a very good off-ball defender. Makes me concerned about what his minutes will look like when he goes back to his regular %s of 36-40%


Kerr said he wants Curry and Dray under 30 on average, and 24 may be high for Melton too.

You are reducing Moody from 16 to 12 mpg as a baseline?

How is GP2's health?

I think it makes sense to plan Waters as a regular part of the rotation too, maybe in the group with Podz/SloMo. Having a catch and shoot 3 point shooter can help lesser PGs keep some offense going.



Could easily get both under 30, but thats probably more of a long term goal. When the games really matter, they'll be closer to 36 than 30

Yes on Moody - I 100% believe in a meritocracy. My issue with Kerr on Moody is not about him needing to be this or that, but having a baseline role that doesnt change, especially considering he has the lowest variance of young players and nearly the lowest on the team dating back the past 3 years. If Kerr is going to play this much depth, then has to be that way. Hard to put together a static number for that situation. But yes, 12 minutes should be Moody's baseline with the chance to move up or down based on current day performance and recent history performance

Waters just isnt very good otherwise. Not a great off-ball mover.. he's a plant. I think of guys like Reggie Bullock when I think of him. Plant somewhere around the corner, wait for the ball, hopefully its open. And if he isn't open, which he hasnt been most times he's been used lately, he's basically a zero. He's like a watered down Damian Lee in that regard. I think Podz/SloMo is fine when both are playing, but when one is out (specifically SloMo), team might have to adjust more. Its becoming clearer and clearer that Podz is a combo guard, not a point guard, and he's not good enough to bail out the offense when it stagnates
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#234 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:47 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:If Melton is the starter going forward, and I think he's as good a choice as they can make, I think I'd like to see this (shifts of 4 minutes):

Curry (32) / Podz (16)
Melton (24) / Hield (24)
Wiggins (28) / Moody (12) / GP2 (8)
Dray (20) / JK (20) / SloMo (8)
Looney (16) / TJD (12) / Dray (12) / SloMo (8)

Notes:
- every single one of Looney's minutes would be with Wiggins and Draymond
- every single one of SloMo's minutes should be with Podz, as Podz really can't do the PG thing
- there should be no overlap of TJD and JK's minutes, or as little as possible (8 with SloMo, 4 with Draymond)
- Lindy should be behind emergency glass in case something is going wrong with the guards

I'd personally give Moody all of GP2s minutes and have GP2 be the defensive equivalent of Lindy.. there's been a pretty noticeable drop-off on his off-ball defense the past 2 years. He's still a great defender and all, but his 3ball has regressed along with overall defense compared to when he was a great 18mpg spark plug. Wont move the needle all that much but Moody's hitting 46% from deep on solid volume while still being a very good off-ball defender. Makes me concerned about what his minutes will look like when he goes back to his regular %s of 36-40%


Kerr said he wants Curry and Dray under 30 on average, and 24 may be high for Melton too.

You are reducing Moody from 16 to 12 mpg as a baseline?

How is GP2's health?

I think it makes sense to plan Waters as a regular part of the rotation too, maybe in the group with Podz/SloMo. Having a catch and shoot 3 point shooter can help lesser PGs keep some offense going.



Could easily get both under 30, but thats probably more of a long term goal. When the games really matter, they'll be closer to 36 than 30

Yes on Moody - I 100% believe in a meritocracy. My issue with Kerr on Moody is not about him needing to be this or that, but having a baseline role that doesnt change, especially considering he has the lowest variance of young players and nearly the lowest on the team dating back the past 3 years. If Kerr is going to play this much depth, then has to be that way. Hard to put together a static number for that situation. But yes, 12 minutes should be Moody's baseline with the chance to move up or down based on current day performance and recent history performance

Waters just isnt very good otherwise. Not a great off-ball mover.. he's a plant. I think of guys like Reggie Bullock when I think of him. Plant somewhere around the corner, wait for the ball, hopefully its open. And if he isn't open, which he hasnt been most times he's been used lately, he's basically a zero. He's like a watered down Damian Lee in that regard. I think Podz/SloMo is fine when both are playing, but when one is out (specifically SloMo), team might have to adjust more. Its becoming clearer and clearer that Podz is a combo guard, not a point guard, and he's not good enough to bail out the offense when it stagnates


Agreed. What you are saying about Podz is correct at the moment ... when pressured he can't reliably create an angle for a pass. It's situations like that when a plant who can shoot can be useful ... Podz can know he's got an out in that spot if he needs a release valve.

All that said, I'm not close to convinced the team has figured out starting, finishing, or situational lineups yet.
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Post#235 » by Onus » Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:16 pm

Well that starting lineup only lasted a few games. Melton diagnosed with a sprained acl.

Does Moody get the start now?
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Post#236 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:08 pm

Onus wrote:Well that starting lineup only lasted a few games. Melton diagnosed with a sprained acl.

Does Moody get the start now?


My first comment on Melton being a possible starter was that Melton has never been able to stay healthy. Kerr's brain goes even more strange when a starter gets hurt so we can't use Melton as THE starter.

I'd like to see Moody get a run as a starter. He's going to have to speed up from the tip if he starts though.
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Post#237 » by marthafokker » Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:24 pm

Looks like Podz gets the start now? He started last night in 2nd half after Wtaers went down.

If Podz does what he did last night, then I am game.
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Post#238 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:41 am

We still don't have one.

Steph, dray, wiggs, and ??.

Melton and loon please make a quick recovery.
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Post#239 » by Onus » Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:38 pm

It's really odd that Kerr was adamant that he like Dray and TJD starting together and foresees that moving forward.
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Re: Who starts? 

Post#240 » by vvoland » Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:23 pm

it's looking more and more like if TJD doesn't play with the starters (or steph/wigs/dray), he may be getting DNP-CDs and it seems like Kerr is trying as hard to possible to give TJD as much rope as he can. It probably cost us last night's game but not more than the TOs, bad FTs, and the clipps hot 3pt shooting.

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