Kuminga and moody extensions

[vvoland]

Rudy Gay retired this week. I think we’d be lucky if Kuminga was ever as good as Rudy in his prime. In fact a decent comp for JK is smaller Rudy Gay.

i think no chance kumbuckets ever reaches prime Gay. that guy was lanky and could bury middies at will

L.O.L.

Rudy Gay, a career 49% eFG and 48% from 2pt range, did not 'bury middies at will.' In fact, he was a far less efficient scorer in ALL of his 20+ seasons than JK has been in ANY of his 3. The only thing he did better than JK is shoot FTs and 3s and, even then, it was towards the end of his career that those %s improved.

When controlled for pace and minutes played, there is virtually nothing rudy gay did AT HIS PEAK that JK hasn't done ALREADY. The exception is 3pt and FT % but considering how poorly Rudy shot from everywhere else, JK laps him as an efficient scorer. Would things be different if JK went to Hou and was allowed to chuck up as much as a woodchuck? Maybe. Rudy was on garbage teams for over a decade and was the empty calories poster child. The whitewashing of history on this board is ridiculous. To slurp a player like Gay (pun intended) while bashing our own young prospect seems masochistic, at best.

[Jester_]

Rudy Gay retired this week. I think we’d be lucky if Kuminga was ever as good as Rudy in his prime. In fact a decent comp for JK is smaller Rudy Gay.

i think no chance kumbuckets ever reaches prime Gay. that guy was lanky and could bury middies at will

L.O.L.

Rudy Gay, a career 49% eFG and 48% from 2pt range, did not 'bury middies at will.' In fact, he was a far less efficient scorer in ALL of his 20+ seasons than JK has been in ANY of his 3. The only thing he did better than JK is shoot FTs and 3s and, even then, it was towards the end of his career that those %s improved.

When controlled for pace and minutes played, there is virtually nothing rudy gay did AT HIS PEAK that JK hasn't done ALREADY. The exception is 3pt and FT % but considering how poorly Rudy shot from everywhere else, JK laps him as an efficient scorer. Would things be different if JK went to Hou and was allowed to chuck up as much as a woodchuck? Maybe. Rudy was on garbage teams for over a decade and was the empty calories poster child. The whitewashing of history on this board is ridiculous. To slurp a player like Gay (pun intended) while bashing our own young prospect seems masochistic, at best.

jordan poole's career efficiency is higher than kobe's, are we really playing this game?

the conversation is about skill and ability. no, Gay was not a very high impact player. but he was freakishly skilled, and Kuminga will never get to that level of ability.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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He looks much better playing to his strengths off the bench.

[CDM_Stats]

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He looks much better playing to his strengths off the bench.

JK better as a spark plug off the bench? What a great idea

[Crazy-Canuck]

Now just need to not play SF minutes. I dont even care if he doesn't attempt another 3.

[Scoots1994]

I think Manleavy's trading JK before the deadline and we won't have to worry about it anymore.

Gotta give Dunleavy a lot of credit - he has really assembled a group of players - draft picks and vets - who fit the Warriors' system and can play with our best players.

Scary that we're attributing so much to Stotts and he's the betting favorite to take over for Milwaukee.

No way Bucks can make ANOTHER coaching change?

Too bad Giannis is a 4.

He would be a great Death Lineup five.

is there any practical deal that would make a giannis trade work?

Wiggins / Kuminga / Podz and a bunch of picks perhaps

are there many teams that would give more young talent than that? OKC can but no chance they give up Chet even for giannis imo. i guess they could throw so many picks it doesn't matter though

Bucks are a small market team up against the second apron, in the repeater tax, and losing millions every season. If they can't content with this group they are going to tear it down - there's no incentive for them to take on a big-salaried Kuminga.

Every time a team hires Doc it's only a matter of time before he's let go. I think this is the third job he's had where the team was paying 2 other coaches at the same time.

They have a bad problem in that they should probably dump their assets now to maximize any return, but they don't have their picks for forever and really the decision should have been at the end of last season. But THAT can't happen without Giannis asking out, which he doesn't want to do because he doesn't want to be seen as a villain.

[Old_Blue]

They have a bad problem in that they should probably dump their assets now to maximize any return, but they don't have their picks for forever and really the decision should have been at the end of last season. But THAT can't happen without Giannis asking out, which he doesn't want to do because he doesn't want to be seen as a villain.

I just looked at the status of Milwaukee's future NBA picks. They have either outright traded away or swapped EVERY single one of their 1st and 2nd round picks for the years 2025 through 2030. Yeesh.

[CDM_Stats]

Now just need to not play SF minutes. I dont even care if he doesn't attempt another 3.

With Hield showing out, Kerr's been a lot better with rotations over all this year.. but there are still a few things that hopefully he goes away from soon:

- JK @ 3, this should be dead, buried, and have a full grown tree over it by now

- TJD over Looney: while situationally TJD could play over Looney, and if someone like GP2 or JK is going to start then I guess it makes sense, but if there are 2 capable shooters at the 2 and 3, and especially if one of them is Wiggins, why not start with our actual best defensive lineup? TJD, like JK, would get to get started against backups and try and bring that momentum with him the rest of the game

- the meritocracy angle seems to go away when Curry's back in the lineup. And its great that we go to it when he's out, because its needed, but I think to compete with the best teams he'll need to do it when Curry's playing too

But on the plus side, he's now put JK on the bench, he's leading with a defensive lineup, and not have Klay and CP3 vacuum up undeserved minutes against all logic.. its at least trending way up from the past 2 years. Still a lot of time to make improvements. The Celtics game will likely tell us a lot about what he thinks his best moves are. I'm not optimistic and frankly expecting the Celts to clear the spread, but if this were last year Kerr, I'd be betting heavy on it. This year I want to wait and see the team against adversity before putting any money on or against them

[CDM_Stats]

also, not much data yet but it might be that SloMo is a non-shooting 4 in this system only. He plays really well next to Looney and TJD and dogsh*t with Draymond. A really poor boxout rate paired with a low rebound rate for a 4/5, and the team's adjusted rebound rate goes up 3% when he's off court compared to when he's on

If that's the case, his minutes should be closer to half of what they are now (16), and it would open more C minutes for Dray and more PF minutes for Kuminga. Its early, but poor showings against bad teams do not inspire much confidence

That said, he's been a very solid positional defender at both positions, but his max impact seems to be at the 4... also those highly inflated steal and block numbers will eventually come down to earth and level out his boxscore-based metrics

[Onus]

Now just need to not play SF minutes. I dont even care if he doesn't attempt another 3.

With Hield showing out, Kerr's been a lot better with rotations over all this year.. but there are still a few things that hopefully he goes away from soon:

- JK @ 3, this should be dead, buried, and have a full grown tree over it by now

JK @ 3 is never going to die. There's just not enough minutes for him as a full time 4 since Dray needs to play, Kyle needs to play and apparently both TJD and Looney need to play.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Now just need to not play SF minutes. I dont even care if he doesn't attempt another 3.

With Hield showing out, Kerr's been a lot better with rotations over all this year.. but there are still a few things that hopefully he goes away from soon:

- JK @ 3, this should be dead, buried, and have a full grown tree over it by now

- TJD over Looney: while situationally TJD could play over Looney, and if someone like GP2 or JK is going to start then I guess it makes sense, but if there are 2 capable shooters at the 2 and 3, and especially if one of them is Wiggins, why not start with our actual best defensive lineup? TJD, like JK, would get to get started against backups and try and bring that momentum with him the rest of the game

- the meritocracy angle seems to go away when Curry's back in the lineup. And its great that we go to it when he's out, because its needed, but I think to compete with the best teams he'll need to do it when Curry's playing too

But on the plus side, he's now put JK on the bench, he's leading with a defensive lineup, and not have Klay and CP3 vacuum up undeserved minutes against all logic.. its at least trending way up from the past 2 years. Still a lot of time to make improvements. The Celtics game will likely tell us a lot about what he thinks his best moves are. I'm not optimistic and frankly expecting the Celts to clear the spread, but if this were last year Kerr, I'd be betting heavy on it. This year I want to wait and see the team against adversity before putting any money on or against them

Tjd vs loon

I have no idea what our stats team is seeing. Loon has tjd beat across the board.

The blks are the same. Yet, tjd has one of the worst rim defense percentages on the team (only hield is worse). Tjd 4. Dfga at rim @ 62% while loon is at 3.4 dfga @ 43%. Other than being able to jump, there isn't anything he's better than loon at. Dray, loon, and wiggs are basically the tops in almost all defensive stats for this team.

[vvoland]

it's clear kerr is starting TJD for the rim finishing or what kerr calls 'vertical spacing.' I think secondary reason is TJD's ability to beat bigs up the court in transition as the team has been deliberate about running, even off makes.

[Crazy-Canuck]

it's clear kerr is starting TJD for the rim finishing or what kerr calls 'vertical spacing.' I think secondary reason is TJD's ability to beat bigs up the court in transition as the team has been deliberate about running, even off makes.

I get it, and think you are right. But, it's like Kerr thinks we are morons.

He clearly stated he wanted the big starting group for defensive purposes, yet he started 2 of our worse defenders in jk and tjd.

Its like saying we want to put a shooting team together, so let's start smiley at sg.

[Scoots1994]

I hope they keep pressing the pace. That depth matters a lot more if they are going full speed all the time.

[Twinkie defense]

Sorry if this was mentioned earlier - Moody's contract has some "unlikely to be met" incentives which minimize his cap hit. The incentives average $500,000 a year and are paid for each season that Moody hits all three markers: playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting.

[xdrta+]

Sorry if this was mentioned earlier - Moody's contract has some "unlikely to be met" incentives which minimize his cap hit. The incentives average $500,000 a year and are paid for each season that Moody hits all three markers: playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting.

Unliklies don't count toward the cap, but they do count toward the aprons. It's a small amount, so probably won't matter, but look how close they are this year.

[CDM_Stats]

JK's become a bench spark who's job is to score, and is better at the 4 than 3.... check

Looney has really asserted himself as the best C option and hopefully is in the starting lineup soon... check

Lazy metrics doing work in these first 7 games

[Crazy-Canuck]

JK's become a bench spark who's job is to score, and is better at the 4 than 3.... check

Looney has really asserted himself as the best C option and hopefully is in the starting lineup soon... check

Lazy metrics doing work in these first 7 games

SG. Is it Moody, Melton, or Hield? That's the next piece of the puzzle.

[marthafokker]

Watching Derrick Jones Jr. I think JK is like him now. Not ready to play until few more years of learning.

For Curry, JK should be traded for center help now.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Watching Derrick Jones Jr. I think JK is like him now. Not ready to play until few more years of learning.

For Curry, JK should be traded for center help now.

Outside of being athletic, they are nothing alike.

Jk has a much better offensive repertoire, while jones is much better defensively and a better shooter.

Combine the 2, and that's one helluva player.