Jimmy Butler Awesome Trade, Great Job!

[Twinkie defense]

11-2

And really 11-1 since Jimmy sat out the Sixers loss.

[Onus]

What's really weird is that Jimmy is shooting so much worse than what he was doing in Miami even when he was trying to tank his value.

[EvanZ]

The jump from Wiggins to Jimmy was massive and Moody is arguably not even a downgrade from Wiggins. It's like we added a star for nothing except a late first.



This really is the classic "a star makes guys around him so much better". Wiggins was never and will never be that guy.

[wco81]

What's really weird is that Jimmy is shooting so much worse than what he was doing in Miami even when he was trying to tank his value.

And he's not even looking to shoot unless it's a layup or end of clock situation.

Teams are going to test how much he looks to score by trapping Curry more and more.

[Onus]

What's really weird is that Jimmy is shooting so much worse than what he was doing in Miami even when he was trying to tank his value.

And he's not even looking to shoot unless it's a layup or end of clock situation.

Teams are going to test how much he looks to score by trapping Curry more and more.

I get why his scoring goes up in the playoffs. It's because teams scheme for him to score rather than him passing which is what he does all regular season. So in the playoffs team take away the pass and force him to shoot and then he explodes in scoring. So will have to hope he still has it.

[EvanZ]

What's really weird is that Jimmy is shooting so much worse than what he was doing in Miami even when he was trying to tank his value.

And he's not even looking to shoot unless it's a layup or end of clock situation.

Teams are going to test how much he looks to score by trapping Curry more and more.

I get why his scoring goes up in the playoffs. It's because teams scheme for him to score rather than him passing which is what he does all regular season. So in the playoffs team take away the pass and force him to shoot and then he explodes in scoring. So will have to hope he still has it.

My guess is he has "it" more than anyone we've had since KD (not including Steph of course). Even if "it" isn't at his peak.

[Onus]

And he's not even looking to shoot unless it's a layup or end of clock situation.

Teams are going to test how much he looks to score by trapping Curry more and more.

I get why his scoring goes up in the playoffs. It's because teams scheme for him to score rather than him passing which is what he does all regular season. So in the playoffs team take away the pass and force him to shoot and then he explodes in scoring. So will have to hope he still has it.

My guess is he has "it" more than anyone we've had since KD (not including Steph of course). Even if "it" isn't at his peak.

Yea it seems like he can turn up the aggressiveness when he needs to. He's able to drive and draw contact at will seemingly. Just will his shot turn around. But he's without a doubt the best player Steph has played with since KD.

[wco81]

Well for $60 million dollars a year, he should be scoring 25 points or more a game from hear on out, to any post-season game.

It's nice to win games but to have any real hope, they should be blowing out some of these teams. Like when they blew out the Kings in Sacto, that needs to be happening more frequently.

[statsman]

Well for $60 million dollars a year, he should be scoring 25 points or more a game from hear on out, to any post-season game.

It's nice to win games but to have any real hope, they should be blowing out some of these teams. Like when they blew out the Kings in Sacto, that needs to be happening more frequently.

The stars on this team are older and/or have a lot of mileage on them. Kerr is spreading out the minutes to not burn out the vets but still win games. I really don't expect the Warriors to blow out other teams very often. Even the bottom of the standings teams.

[Twinkie defense]

Well for $60 million dollars a year, he should be scoring 25 points or more a game from hear on out, to any post-season game.

Jimmy Butler doesn't make 60 million dollars a year.

Also, you're saying Steph (24.5 ppg) is not worth his contract?

[vvoland]

Well for $60 million dollars a year, he should be scoring 25 points or more a game from hear on out, to any post-season game.

It's nice to win games but to have any real hope, they should be blowing out some of these teams. Like when they blew out the Kings in Sacto, that needs to be happening more frequently.

They have been blowing teams out but it's not as easy as it sounds, especially on the road. These last two home games, against teams playing very well recently, give me real hope this team can show a dominant side come playoff time. Next week's B2B vs Den and Mil will be a real litmus test.

That seems rather arbitrary. He's averaging just under 20 but is killing it at the line, running the offense, sharing the ball, and playing defense. I just hope he didn't bruise his hip on that hard fall in the 2nd half vs the blazers.

[wco81]

I hope we can count on him getting the same kind of FTr in the postseason.

But usually a lot of players don't get such generous whistle in the playoffs.

They're looking to get the ball to him down low against mismatches. He's not trying to drive on smaller defenders. They have to feed him the ball so that he has a live dribble. But in the postseason, teams shorten their rotations and minimize minutes for players who get hunted, unless they're a great scorer like Curry.

[Twinkie defense]

It's nice to win games but to have any real hope, they should be blowing out some of these teams. Like when they blew out the Kings in Sacto, that needs to be happening more frequently.

They have been blowing teams out but it's not as easy as it sounds, especially on the road. These last two home games, against teams playing very well recently, give me real hope this team can show a dominant side come playoff time.

I don't care about blowouts - except insofar as they give Curry a chance to rest... what I'd like to see is the Warriors winning a very high percentage of their clutch games.

[wco81]

If they win clutch games against the top 10-12 teams in each conference, that's fine. But if they're eking out close wins vs. teams out of the playoffs or play-in or teams clearly tanking like the Nets, that's not a good sign.

[AirP.]

What's really weird is that Jimmy is shooting so much worse than what he was doing in Miami even when he was trying to tank his value.

And he's not even looking to shoot unless it's a layup or end of clock situation.

Teams are going to test how much he looks to score by trapping Curry more and more.

I get why his scoring goes up in the playoffs. It's because teams scheme for him to score rather than him passing which is what he does all regular season. So in the playoffs team take away the pass and force him to shoot and then he explodes in scoring. So will have to hope he still has it.

You'd have to be a really stupid team (especially in the playoffs) to think the best way to slow down Miami is to allow Butler to score when the rest of the starters were... Bam, G.Vincent, Strus and recently cut K.Love without Herro who broke his hand game 1 of the playoffs. I don't think people quite understand how little of talent Miami had, their best team around Butler was the roster in 19-20.

Butler plays as a facilitator mostly until his back is up against the wall or he has something to prove, then he goes into scoring mode which the closest he's done that in Golden State was the pull up jump on T.Harris since he has a grudge against him.

We're not even 24 months removed from dropping 98 points in back to back games to close out the #1 seed in the playoffs. Then he was slowed up when Josh Hart injured him in game 1 of the 2nd round, he missed the 2nd game of the series which is why he's not been at that level in the playoffs since (he was injured in the play in game by K.Oubre Jr and he stayed in the rest of the game). Butler's #1 objective is to be healthy for the playoffs because he wants to win a championship.

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[floppymoose]

Jimmy Butler doesn't make 60 million dollars a year.

It's pretty close. (What's a few million between friends?)

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/8081/jimmy-butler

49m
54m
57m

Those are the contract numbers I see online.

[AirP.]

Jimmy Butler doesn't make 60 million dollars a year.

It's pretty close. (What's a few million between friends?)

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/8081/jimmy-butler

49m
54m
57m

Those are the contract numbers I see online.

In Miami, 45 million gets you D.Robinson and T.Rozier! The FO made a ton of mistakes. In 2019, Miami could have gotten CP3 for nearly nothing after Houston sent him to OKC, Miami... sorry, Pat Riley was delusional thinking he could clear out cap room to sign Giannis in FA in 2021 bypassing his supermax. Miami actually asked CP3 to turn down his player's option in 2021... CP3 did eventually turn down his player's option because he played good enough to get another great contract.

I'd much rather have Butler at 10 mil more than those 2 (Robinson and Rozier) which they'll be paying for next year too.

Get your stars and let your scouts and coaches find/develop the rest of the role players.

[AirP.]

Here's Warrior PPG + PPG assisted sorted for the season so far.

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+--------------------+-----+----+---------+----+----+---+---------+---------------+
|Player              |Games|Team|Total Pts|PPG |FGA |APG|Ast'd PPG|ppg + Ast'd ppg|
+--------------------+-----+----+---------+----+----+---+---------+---------------+
|Stephen Curry       |56   |GSW |1373     |24.5|18  |6.1|14.23    |38.75          |
|Jimmy Butler        |13   |GSW |229      |17.6|11.5|5.7|14.85    |32.46          |
|Andrew Wiggins      |43   |GSW |755      |17.6|13.7|2.4|6.02     |23.58          |
|Draymond Green      |51   |GSW |454      |8.9 |7.3 |5.9|14.18    |23.08          |
|Jonathan Kuminga    |32   |GSW |536      |16.8|13.2|2.2|5.56     |22.31          |
|Dennis Schröder     |24   |GSW |254      |10.6|10.5|4.4|11.13    |21.71          |
|Brandin Podziemski  |50   |GSW |506      |10.1|8.9 |3.4|8.52     |18.64          |
|DeAnthony Melton    |6    |GSW |62       |10.3|9   |2.8|6.33     |16.67          |
|Buddy Hield         |65   |GSW |747      |11.5|10  |1.7|4.2      |15.69          |
|Moses Moody         |57   |GSW |556      |9.8 |7.5 |1.1|2.86     |12.61          |
|Quinten Post        |27   |GSW |225      |8.3 |6.7 |1.5|3.85     |12.19          |
|Trayce Jackson-Davis|52   |GSW |374      |7.2 |5.4 |1.9|4.87     |12.06          |
|Kyle Anderson       |36   |GSW |189      |5.3 |4.7 |2.3|5.56     |10.81          |
|Gary Payton II      |52   |GSW |322      |6.2 |4.6 |1.3|3.29     |9.48           |
|Kevon Looney        |59   |GSW |289      |4.9 |4.1 |1.7|4.34     |9.24           |
|Lindy Waters III    |38   |GSW |209      |5.5 |5.4 |1.1|2.74     |8.24           |
|Gui Santos          |40   |GSW |174      |4.4 |3.3 |1.4|3.53     |7.88           |
|Pat Spencer         |30   |GSW |79       |2.6 |2.8 |1.3|2.97     |5.6            |
|Kevin Knox          |7    |GSW |28       |4   |3.4 |0.6|1.57     |5.57           |
|Yuri Collins        |2    |GSW |2        |1   |1.5 |2  |4.5      |5.5            |
|Jackson Rowe        |5    |GSW |16       |3.2 |3   |0.6|1.6      |4.8            |
|Reece Beekman       |2    |GSW |2        |1   |0.5 |0.5|1        |2              |
+--------------------+-----+----+---------+----+----+---+---------+---------------+



[statsman]

I was about to respond to what is now a missing chart. Something about points per possession. Did I hallucinate it?

[AirP.]

I was about to respond to what is now a missing chart. Something about points per possession. Did I hallucinate it?

Sorry...
I'm using FGA + TO + (FTAs - and1s)/2 for possessions.

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+----+--------------------+----+-----+-------------------+---------------+---------+-----+---+----+---+
|Rank|Player              |Team|Games|Points Per Off Poss|Points Per Game|FGA + TO |tspct|tov|fga |fta|
+----+--------------------+----+-----+-------------------+---------------+---------+-----+---+----+---+
|1   |Reece Beekman       |GSW |2    |2                  |1              |0.5      |1    |0  |0.5 |0  |
|2   |Gary Payton II      |GSW |52   |1.1258741258741258 |6.2            |5.2      |0.628|0.6|4.6 |0.7|
|4   |Jimmy Butler        |GSW |13   |1.0904761904761904 |17.6           |12.9     |0.593|1.4|11.5|7.7|
|8   |Moses Moody         |GSW |57   |1.0859375          |9.8            |8.2      |0.591|0.7|7.5 |1.8|
|3   |Stephen Curry       |GSW |56   |1.0777080062794349 |24.5           |20.9     |0.618|2.9|18  |4.2|
|5   |Quinten Post        |GSW |27   |1.0714285714285714 |8.3            |7.5      |0.594|0.8|6.7 |0.6|
|9   |Andrew Wiggins      |GSW |43   |1.042817679558011  |17.6           |15       |0.566|1.3|13.7|4.2|
|7   |Trayce Jackson-Davis|GSW |52   |1.041782729805014  |7.2            |6.2000003|0.585|0.8|5.4 |1.7|
|11  |Kevin Knox          |GSW |7    |1.037037037037037  |4              |3.5      |0.543|0.1|3.4 |0.6|
|10  |Buddy Hield         |GSW |65   |0.9907161803713528 |11.5           |11.2     |0.554|1.2|10  |0.8|
|6   |Gui Santos          |GSW |40   |0.9830508474576272 |4.4            |4.1      |0.59 |0.8|3.3 |0.8|
|14  |Jonathan Kuminga    |GSW |32   |0.9675090252707581 |16.8           |14.8     |0.539|1.6|13.2|5.3|
|15  |Kyle Anderson       |GSW |36   |0.949748743718593  |5.3            |5.2999997|0.522|0.6|4.7 |0.8|
|16  |Brandin Podziemski  |GSW |50   |0.947565543071161  |10.1           |10       |0.528|1.1|8.9 |1.5|
|17  |Kevon Looney        |GSW |59   |0.9292604501607717 |4.9            |4.7      |0.523|0.6|4.1 |1.4|
|18  |Lindy Waters III    |GSW |38   |0.920704845814978  |5.5            |5.8      |0.498|0.4|5.4 |0.3|
|13  |DeAnthony Melton    |GSW |6    |0.9117647058823529 |10.3           |10.7     |0.539|1.7|9   |1.3|
|19  |Jackson Rowe        |GSW |5    |0.8888888888888888 |3.2            |3.2      |0.477|0.2|3   |0.8|
|12  |Draymond Green      |GSW |51   |0.8284671532846716 |8.9            |9.700001 |0.536|2.4|7.3 |2.4|
|20  |Dennis Schröder     |GSW |24   |0.7987421383647799 |10.6           |12.5     |0.474|2  |10.5|1.6|
|21  |Pat Spencer         |GSW |30   |0.7452830188679245 |2.6            |3.3      |0.436|0.5|2.8 |0.5|
|22  |Yuri Collins        |GSW |2    |0.6666666666666666 |1              |1.5      |0.333|0  |1.5 |0  |
+----+--------------------+----+-----+-------------------+---------------+---------+-----+---+----+---+