Next Offseason

[vvoland]

One more solid Kuminga game and i’d be trying to get that 12th pick from the Bulls in a sign and trade for Vuc or Pat (we would want Vuc but I think Bulls would maybe swap Kuminga for the 12 if it meant ditching that awful Pat contract).

S&T Kuminga for Patrick Williams and 12th pick (i’d even be willing to add a protected 1st because i’m so high on CMB)

#12 - CMB

Trade our 2nd, 2 future 2nds, and Trayce for a late 1st

late 1st - Pettiford

Re-sign Loon and GP2 for vet min (i dont see anyone paying them TPMLE money, maybe Loon….)

Sign Yabusele with as much MLE as we got

Sign Melton to vet minimum to rebuild his value

Steph / Melton / Pettiford
Podz / Buddy / GP2
Jimmy / Moody / Santos
Dray / Pat / CMB
Yabusele / Loon / Post

We’d be once again just hoping for health and some outlier great playoff performers… but honestly thats not a bad spot to be in to close out the Steph years. At least in this scenario we would be good while also having some legit future pieces that fit in a post Steph/Dray world with Pettiford, Podz, Moody, CMB, Post

This would be an interesting reset. Light on shooting though, especially since we can't count on Melton. I think if we're trading up in the 1st I'd rather take Clayton. Also a complete log jam to get any minutes for CMB. But Yabusele would be an interesting signing.

I don't think I want to bring GP2 back. His defense has fallen off a cliff. I think I want DSJ to replace him as our designated poa defender.

Steph/Melton/DSJ
Podz/Buddy/
Jimmy/Moody/Santos
Dray/JK
Yabusele/Post

I think our best 5 would be Curry/Buddy/Jimmy/Dray/???. Jimmy and dray are really hard to build around since they're small, don't shoot, and Jimmy can't really guard his position. JK should theoretically be able to be the poa defender but the shooting. I could see Pat maybe fitting in well as the poa defender, just not sure the shooting will be enough, but maybe he turns into Jaden McDaniels with Jimmy and Dray behind him?

I really want Miles Byrd/Tyrese Proctor/Milos Uzan/Noah Penda/Cedric Coward. We need a bigger guard/wing that can shoot and will be feisty on defense. I really want Kobe Johnson as well.

We really do have a lot of needs at every single position (big, wing, and guard).

So this same squad but with some rookies in backup roles and yabusele at 5? And to do that you want to trade JK for Pat Williams? That sounds like a significant downgrade to me.

[vvoland]

Reed Sheppard was the #3 pick and couldn't crack the rotation on a young rockets team that had no pressure. In what world do we think we can draft someone at 12 that we can play as a rookie on a team chasing a title?

[TB]

Reed Sheppard was the #3 pick and couldn't crack the rotation on a young rockets team that had no pressure. In what world do we think we can draft someone at 12 that we can play as a rookie on a team chasing a title?

I don’t think any rookie should ever be pencilled into a contenders rotation (outside of the obvious stuff like what will happen with Flagg in Dallas). If someone plays themselves into a rotation spot, thats just an added bonus (like how Post sort of has this year).

That being said i’d definitely want the 12th pick if it got us CMB… but that doesn’t mean i’d slot him into a main rotation role.

Not that it matters, its virtually impossible to add picks to a sign and trade scenario… so my original idea doesn’t really work.

[Onus]

One more solid Kuminga game and i’d be trying to get that 12th pick from the Bulls in a sign and trade for Vuc or Pat (we would want Vuc but I think Bulls would maybe swap Kuminga for the 12 if it meant ditching that awful Pat contract).

S&T Kuminga for Patrick Williams and 12th pick (i’d even be willing to add a protected 1st because i’m so high on CMB)

#12 - CMB

Trade our 2nd, 2 future 2nds, and Trayce for a late 1st

late 1st - Pettiford

Re-sign Loon and GP2 for vet min (i dont see anyone paying them TPMLE money, maybe Loon….)

Sign Yabusele with as much MLE as we got

Sign Melton to vet minimum to rebuild his value

Steph / Melton / Pettiford
Podz / Buddy / GP2
Jimmy / Moody / Santos
Dray / Pat / CMB
Yabusele / Loon / Post

We’d be once again just hoping for health and some outlier great playoff performers… but honestly thats not a bad spot to be in to close out the Steph years. At least in this scenario we would be good while also having some legit future pieces that fit in a post Steph/Dray world with Pettiford, Podz, Moody, CMB, Post

This would be an interesting reset. Light on shooting though, especially since we can't count on Melton. I think if we're trading up in the 1st I'd rather take Clayton. Also a complete log jam to get any minutes for CMB. But Yabusele would be an interesting signing.

I don't think I want to bring GP2 back. His defense has fallen off a cliff. I think I want DSJ to replace him as our designated poa defender.

Steph/Melton/DSJ
Podz/Buddy/
Jimmy/Moody/Santos
Dray/JK
Yabusele/Post

I think our best 5 would be Curry/Buddy/Jimmy/Dray/???. Jimmy and dray are really hard to build around since they're small, don't shoot, and Jimmy can't really guard his position. JK should theoretically be able to be the poa defender but the shooting. I could see Pat maybe fitting in well as the poa defender, just not sure the shooting will be enough, but maybe he turns into Jaden McDaniels with Jimmy and Dray behind him?

I really want Miles Byrd/Tyrese Proctor/Milos Uzan/Noah Penda/Cedric Coward. We need a bigger guard/wing that can shoot and will be feisty on defense. I really want Kobe Johnson as well.

We really do have a lot of needs at every single position (big, wing, and guard).

So this same squad but with some rookies in backup roles and yabusele at 5? And to do that you want to trade JK for Pat Williams? That sounds like a significant downgrade to me.

JK is still on the team in my scenario. There's not much for us to improve the roster, I think we come back with the same roster but change out someone for gp and looney.

In a dream scenario I trade JK for someone like OG or Wiggins. Just not sure anyone like that will be available to trade for so it's likely JK just comes back and we hope another year gets him better integrated with Jimmy.

[vvoland]

This would be an interesting reset. Light on shooting though, especially since we can't count on Melton. I think if we're trading up in the 1st I'd rather take Clayton. Also a complete log jam to get any minutes for CMB. But Yabusele would be an interesting signing.

I don't think I want to bring GP2 back. His defense has fallen off a cliff. I think I want DSJ to replace him as our designated poa defender.

Steph/Melton/DSJ
Podz/Buddy/
Jimmy/Moody/Santos
Dray/JK
Yabusele/Post

I think our best 5 would be Curry/Buddy/Jimmy/Dray/???. Jimmy and dray are really hard to build around since they're small, don't shoot, and Jimmy can't really guard his position. JK should theoretically be able to be the poa defender but the shooting. I could see Pat maybe fitting in well as the poa defender, just not sure the shooting will be enough, but maybe he turns into Jaden McDaniels with Jimmy and Dray behind him?

I really want Miles Byrd/Tyrese Proctor/Milos Uzan/Noah Penda/Cedric Coward. We need a bigger guard/wing that can shoot and will be feisty on defense. I really want Kobe Johnson as well.

We really do have a lot of needs at every single position (big, wing, and guard).

So this same squad but with some rookies in backup roles and yabusele at 5? And to do that you want to trade JK for Pat Williams? That sounds like a significant downgrade to me.

JK is still on the team in my scenario. There's not much for us to improve the roster, I think we come back with the same roster but change out someone for gp and looney.

In a dream scenario I trade JK for someone like OG or Wiggins. Just not sure anyone like that will be available to trade for so it's likely JK just comes back and we hope another year gets him better integrated with Jimmy.

Got it. I confused your post with the guy talking about moving jk to Chicago to pw and 12.

Yabu and dsj probably would come on the cheap. Not sure about Melton.

I'd be curious if we should try to get KP. Sure, white is the better player but I don't think they're moving him. Jrue's contract scares me, but KP is expiring at 30m next season. With Indy being a likely finals team, I've officially given up on Myles. It only took like 4 years

[Onus]

I would seriously think about trading JK for Thomas Sorber and then take Cedric Coward/Drake Powell/Miles Byrd/Noah Penda at our 2nd. Pick up DSJ. Still kind of light on shooting but we have our MLE maybe pick up Malik Beasley.

Steph/DSJ
Beasley/Podz
Buddy/Moody/2nd rd pick/Knox
Jimmy/Santos/Key
Sorber/Dray/Post/TJD

Steph/Buddy/Beasley/Jimmy/Dray as our closing 5

[vvoland]

I would seriously think about trading JK for Thomas Sorber and then take Cedric Coward/Drake Powell/Miles Byrd/Noah Penda at our 2nd. Pick up DSJ. Still kind of light on shooting but we have our MLE maybe pick up Malik Beasley.

Steph/DSJ
Beasley/Podz
Buddy/Moody/2nd rd pick/Knox
Jimmy/Santos/Key
Sorber/Dray/Post/TJD

Steph/Buddy/Beasley/Jimmy/Dray as our closing 5

Moving jk for a draft pick seems like a step back. I get not wanting to sign him for 30+ but if a S&T for a starter isn't available during the summer, the qo or whatever they match under 30 will allow them to bring someone back at the deadline. The last 3 games probably got him back to a cam Johnson level of trade value. Unfortunately, podz went the other way, and moody had cratered completely.

[Onus]

I would seriously think about trading JK for Thomas Sorber and then take Cedric Coward/Drake Powell/Miles Byrd/Noah Penda at our 2nd. Pick up DSJ. Still kind of light on shooting but we have our MLE maybe pick up Malik Beasley.

Steph/DSJ
Beasley/Podz
Buddy/Moody/2nd rd pick/Knox
Jimmy/Santos/Key
Sorber/Dray/Post/TJD

Steph/Buddy/Beasley/Jimmy/Dray as our closing 5

Moving jk for a draft pick seems like a step back. I get not wanting to sign him for 30+ but if a S&T for a starter isn't available during the summer, the qo or whatever they match under 30 will allow them to bring someone back at the deadline. The last 3 games probably got him back to a cam Johnson level of trade value. Unfortunately, podz went the other way, and moody had cratered completely.

I’m pretty high on sorber. Can be our starting center for the next 10-12 years. His defensive numbers as a freshman were amazing. 6’10” with a 7’6” wingspan and really physical. Creates a lot of defensive plays and can switch if needed. Can begin our reduction in our reliance on dray and lower his minutes.

[wco81]

Didn't the Warriors have some trade talks about Siakam?

Or maybe it's just the rumors.

I guess they'd have had to send out way more than they did for Butler and they would have had to give him a 4 or 5 year max rather than the 2-year extension with Jimmy.

[vvoland]

I would seriously think about trading JK for Thomas Sorber and then take Cedric Coward/Drake Powell/Miles Byrd/Noah Penda at our 2nd. Pick up DSJ. Still kind of light on shooting but we have our MLE maybe pick up Malik Beasley.

Steph/DSJ
Beasley/Podz
Buddy/Moody/2nd rd pick/Knox
Jimmy/Santos/Key
Sorber/Dray/Post/TJD

Steph/Buddy/Beasley/Jimmy/Dray as our closing 5

Moving jk for a draft pick seems like a step back. I get not wanting to sign him for 30+ but if a S&T for a starter isn't available during the summer, the qo or whatever they match under 30 will allow them to bring someone back at the deadline. The last 3 games probably got him back to a cam Johnson level of trade value. Unfortunately, podz went the other way, and moody had cratered completely.

I’m pretty high on sorber. Can be our starting center for the next 10-12 years. His defensive numbers as a freshman were amazing. 6’10” with a 7’6” wingspan and really physical. Creates a lot of defensive plays and can switch if needed. Can begin our reduction in our reliance on dray and lower his minutes.

I don't see how a rookie center helps us win next year or the year after but, admittedly, I know very little about college ball. I don't even think flagg could really help us next season and he's the most NBA ready college player I've seen since Grant Hill, Shaq, and them

[Onus]

Moving jk for a draft pick seems like a step back. I get not wanting to sign him for 30+ but if a S&T for a starter isn't available during the summer, the qo or whatever they match under 30 will allow them to bring someone back at the deadline. The last 3 games probably got him back to a cam Johnson level of trade value. Unfortunately, podz went the other way, and moody had cratered completely.

I’m pretty high on sorber. Can be our starting center for the next 10-12 years. His defensive numbers as a freshman were amazing. 6’10” with a 7’6” wingspan and really physical. Creates a lot of defensive plays and can switch if needed. Can begin our reduction in our reliance on dray and lower his minutes.

I don't see how a rookie center helps us win next year or the year after but, admittedly, I know very little about college ball. I don't even think flagg could really help us next season and he's the most NBA ready college player I've seen since Grant Hill, Shaq, and them

He helps by reducing drays minutes in the regular season. That way he has full energy for the playoffs and isn’t run down. Really Sorber probably becomes the back up center in the playoffs.

And really we haven’t had a 2way center ever.

Without knowing who is really available for trade hard to really think of a trade.

Tbh I was looking at who could be like an og type player and was thinking Carter Bryant might be able to do that. Then I was like if we’re trading into the 1st may as well get the player I’d want the most.

[Onus]

Didn't the Warriors have some trade talks about Siakam?

Or maybe it's just the rumors.

I guess they'd have had to send out way more than they did for Butler and they would have had to give him a 4 or 5 year max rather than the 2-year extension with Jimmy.

They did. Tor wanted jk, we didn’t want to part with jk. Then it was also reported Siakam didn’t want to re-sign probably didn’t see how he would fit with dray since playing dray as a full time center doesn’t seem like something the warriors wanted to do at the time.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Didn't the Warriors have some trade talks about Siakam?

Or maybe it's just the rumors.

I guess they'd have had to send out way more than they did for Butler and they would have had to give him a 4 or 5 year max rather than the 2-year extension with Jimmy.

They did. Tor wanted jk, we didn’t want to part with jk. Then it was also reported Siakam didn’t want to re-sign probably didn’t see how he would fit with dray since playing dray as a full time center doesn’t seem like something the warriors wanted to do at the time.

Not just siakam, but also OG was lost for the same reason.

[vvoland]

I’m pretty high on sorber. Can be our starting center for the next 10-12 years. His defensive numbers as a freshman were amazing. 6’10” with a 7’6” wingspan and really physical. Creates a lot of defensive plays and can switch if needed. Can begin our reduction in our reliance on dray and lower his minutes.

I don't see how a rookie center helps us win next year or the year after but, admittedly, I know very little about college ball. I don't even think flagg could really help us next season and he's the most NBA ready college player I've seen since Grant Hill, Shaq, and them

He helps by reducing drays minutes in the regular season. That way he has full energy for the playoffs and isn’t run down. Really Sorber probably becomes the back up center in the playoffs.

And really we haven’t had a 2way center ever.

Without knowing who is really available for trade hard to really think of a trade.

Tbh I was looking at who could be like an og type player and was thinking Carter Bryant might be able to do that. Then I was like if we’re trading into the 1st may as well get the player I’d want the most.

I feel like post can do that job next year. Instead of trading jk for a draft pick, how about we keep him and get a backup 5 that might be ready for a fake starting role (mamu, obi, goga, kornet)? Reid would be perfect but we cant afford 30m/yr. Maybe brook can still do enough to play ~25 good min.

That way we can keep moody, jk, podz, etc for their improved play or as the package for the next guy.

[whatisacenter]

It would be a mistake to go into next season with all three of our old guys. If it was up to me.

Curry got to stay.

Keep Jimmy, I guess.

Good luck, Draymond.

[vvoland]

It would be a mistake to go into next season with all three of our old guys. If it was up to me.

Curry got to stay.

Keep Jimmy, I guess.

Good luck, Draymond.

It's getting harder to disagree with the sentiment but let me ask, how do we maintain the best defense in the league (post Jimmy trade) if we move dray?

[Onus]

I don't see how a rookie center helps us win next year or the year after but, admittedly, I know very little about college ball. I don't even think flagg could really help us next season and he's the most NBA ready college player I've seen since Grant Hill, Shaq, and them

He helps by reducing drays minutes in the regular season. That way he has full energy for the playoffs and isn’t run down. Really Sorber probably becomes the back up center in the playoffs.

And really we haven’t had a 2way center ever.

Without knowing who is really available for trade hard to really think of a trade.

Tbh I was looking at who could be like an og type player and was thinking Carter Bryant might be able to do that. Then I was like if we’re trading into the 1st may as well get the player I’d want the most.

I feel like post can do that job next year. Instead of trading jk for a draft pick, how about we keep him and get a backup 5 that might be ready for a fake starting role (mamu, obi, goga, kornet)? Reid would be perfect but we cant afford 30m/yr. Maybe brook can still do enough to play ~25 good min.

That way we can keep moody, jk, podz, etc for their improved play or as the package for the next guy.

How is post going to reduce drays minutes when he can’t defend and is unplayable in the playoffs? Post will never be a defensive anchor. Of the people you mentioned maybe goga can play 20 min without dray. Sorber though is probably a better defender out of the gate than all of them.

[marthafokker]

I saw an article of suggest moving JK for Mark Williams, Okogie and 1st.

I actually like it. The JK madness stops. Get a real center. A good 3 and D guy that stops Kerr from asking more of GP2. And a pick to add to war chest.

Basically better replacement for GP2 and Looney.

[whatisacenter]

It would be a mistake to go into next season with all three of our old guys. If it was up to me.

Curry got to stay.

Keep Jimmy, I guess.

Good luck, Draymond.

It's getting harder to disagree with the sentiment but let me ask, how do we maintain the best defense in the league (post Jimmy trade) if we move dray?

I’ve been told since the team lost in ‘23 to the lakers that the team can’t win without Draymond and he then proceeded to torpedo two seasons and is now just jogging around getting used like a bar of soap by Randle.

I’m ready to find a replacement that can play some D and not be ignored on offense.

[vvoland]

He helps by reducing drays minutes in the regular season. That way he has full energy for the playoffs and isn’t run down. Really Sorber probably becomes the back up center in the playoffs.

And really we haven’t had a 2way center ever.

Without knowing who is really available for trade hard to really think of a trade.

Tbh I was looking at who could be like an og type player and was thinking Carter Bryant might be able to do that. Then I was like if we’re trading into the 1st may as well get the player I’d want the most.

I feel like post can do that job next year. Instead of trading jk for a draft pick, how about we keep him and get a backup 5 that might be ready for a fake starting role (mamu, obi, goga, kornet)? Reid would be perfect but we cant afford 30m/yr. Maybe brook can still do enough to play ~25 good min.

That way we can keep moody, jk, podz, etc for their improved play or as the package for the next guy.

How is post going to reduce drays minutes when he can’t defend and is unplayable in the playoffs? Post will never be a defensive anchor. Of the people you mentioned maybe goga can play 20 min without dray. Sorber though is probably a better defender out of the gate than all of them.

I don't now how much better defensively a rookie center will be as compared to Post in year 2. His defense improved throughout this year, albeit from a very low point, and I expect him to be decent on that end next year - IN THE REGULAR SEASON. If the goal is to reduce dray's minutes, I expect post to be able to do so just fine. I hope we bring back loon on the vet min and have him be the backup, as opposed to overpaying for a vet or using assets to trade into the first to get a C. If we were to use real assets on the center position, I hope we go all in and try for Naz, KP, or someone of that ilk. If not, that's not the position that hurt us this season or in these playoffs.

This is not a reflection of the rookie you're trying to draft. I'm just unsure any rookie, especially a center we're bringing in for defense, can positively impact winning in years 1 & 2. Despite his struggles, I have more faith in JK and Moody being contributors next season and especially come playoff time, than I would any rookie, Flagg included. Rookie wall, speed of the game, physicality of the playoffs, opponent scouting reports/game plans, are all a bit too much to overcome for most rookies and 2nd year players. When you have the added pressure of getting Steph ring #5, I don't think it's the way to go.

Love the DSJ idea and I think we're in decent position to hunt the scraps of the teams about to fall apart: Mem, LAC, Bos. Batum, Aldama, Pritchard, KP, etc. may all be available for the right price. Bigger fish are still out there. We have enough of our own future picks and may be able to cobble together enough salary to attract a star. Sure, a first tier star would have to force his way here for us to be able to beat the offers an OKC or Hou can put together but for secondary stars, it may be more realistic (Derrick White level or last year's PG, etc.).